" high speed " desert in an 80 series (2 Viewers)

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We have hollow and solids available to take the Toyota tie rods. I think Slee does HD steering arms too.

I prefer the hollows [1/4" wall] and I normally run a std rear steering arm, but HD front prone to impact, as they can be pulled back into shape with the winch cable, and the rear will give up before the pitman arm is on the ground with the twisted spline end of the steering shaft ;)

This is how we weld the panhard rod mounts that cracks, and you have to weld the pipe x brace fully as well or it cracks from the end of the 2 small welds next after welding the top.

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This is how we cross brace the coil over mounts.

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So 1k budget like many said will kill the deal because the speed you are looking for cost far more than that. that said you could dial up the compression if you have TJM adjustable shocks, rebound will be lacking so you really need to watch out for uncontrolled body motion. Just remember for normal linear shocks if it's good for one thing then it's terrible at another, if you could dial up the compression for bigger bumps at faster speed the ride would be terrible for the smaller stuff, you probably know that if you are involved in the off-roading business.


That said i would suggest Tribe slow and save your pennies up for a custom set of King shocks.

Just an FYI..I have TJM Tiger adjustable shocks and they blew out on a desert road at no more than 30mph.
 
It has been crazy! And I have been very busy, but I have been trying to stay posted up on this.

Good news too!

After talking to a few racing friends, this thread and throwing a few different ideas around with people.. It has been deemed my budget is weak and needed to be doubled or quadrupled!
My solution was neither to double or quadruple it tho... I decided to triple it! So for now the plan is to buy a set of King 2.5 x 12 coil overs with remote reservoir and dampening adjusters and make it work with as little cutting as can be physically possible.

I think this should achieve the desired travel as well as the desired dampening that will be needed for the speeds I plan to try and achieve.
 
glad to hear you are headed the right direction....
 
It has been crazy! And I have been very busy, but I have been trying to stay posted up on this.

Good news too!

After talking to a few racing friends, this thread and throwing a few different ideas around with people.. It has been deemed my budget is weak and needed to be doubled or quadrupled!
My solution was neither to double or quadruple it tho... I decided to triple it! So for now the plan is to buy a set of King 2.5 x 12 coil overs with remote reservoir and dampening adjusters and make it work with as little cutting as can be physically possible.

I think this should achieve the desired travel as well as the desired dampening that will be needed for the speeds I plan to try and achieve.

Will there be pictures to follow?! I don't even need a build thread. Something about a picture saying 1000 words....
 
Given the way their adjusters work, I think you have chosen the wrong option for what you require really when upping your budget, unless your going to tune them with revalving to suit. With the right coils and bypasses could save alot of work, and give you better tuning and adjust ability.

The more adjustment you restrict the flow with, the harder they will be at speed on the rough stuff.

You will need to relocate the air box, cut the front fenders inners out, relocate the fuse box, etc as well to fit them in the front, and in the rear, you will need to cut out the shock cross member and holes in the floor to get them in .
 
Given the way their adjusters work, I think you have chosen the wrong option for what you require really when upping your budget, unless your going to tune them with revalving to suit. With the right coils and bypasses could save alot of work, and give you better tuning and adjust ability.

The more adjustment you restrict the flow with, the harder they will be at speed on the rough stuff.

You will need to relocate the air box, cut the front fenders inners out, relocate the fuse box, etc as well to fit them in the front, and in the rear, you will need to cut out the shock cross member and holes in the floor to get them in .

You say better tuning, however there are not a lot of coil springs to choose from, sure I could run some bypasses but with what springs? Then we get back into the travel that is available, about 10 inches total with a 2-3" lift, I don't feel like that is really enough travel. And with the bypasses I can tune the shocks, but can do nothingness the coils. With coil overs I can change and adjust spring rates, if I add air bumps later it is one more area of dampening and adjustment.

If someone could say that me buying the bolt on bypasses and using my coils, or those "slinky" coils would be a for sure way to achieve my goal, I'd have shocks on the way already. But I don't think it is a guarante.

I'm sure I could bribe Curt Leduc to do a little adjusting and tuning at the hammers for me (he did create the bypass shock after all), he has done some great tuning for us the past couple years on the #49 TTB 4400 class car.
 
80 Series King 2.5s Front and Rear Resi Shock Kit, 3-5" lift

If it is this easy, bolt in and make a few adjustments, then I'm in. No question. Just feel like the 10" of travel will hinder speed to, not sure to what extent tho. I know I'm not going the way most do with their 80's and that buying an O.J. bronco would put me ahead both financially and in performance, but I love my 80.
 
You say better tuning, however there are not a lot of coil springs to choose from, sure I could run some bypasses but with what springs? Then we get back into the travel that is available, about 10 inches total with a 2-3" lift, I don't feel like that is really enough travel. And with the bypasses I can tune the shocks, but can do nothingness the coils. With coil overs I can change and adjust spring rates, if I add air bumps later it is one more area of dampening and adjustment.

I'm sure I could bribe Curt Leduc to do a little adjusting and tuning at the hammers for me (he did create the bypass shock after all), he has done some great tuning for us the past couple years on the #49 TTB 4400 class car.

Tuning as in revalving because restrictive adjusters just make for a hyrdo lock at fast piston speed, like your wanting to do really, so "twidling the knob" on compression only may not be a g/tee either ;)

I also think 10" isnt enough, and is why I always worked on 12" bolt in .

Coils are easy, compared to mounting coil overs, and having to remove them to change rates to tune them in an 80, theres 9 rear and 7 fronts available ideally to slip in, how many coil over rates do you have to choose from.

Im not suggesting any one type or brand, only suggesting you should maybe do some homework, and make sure for the effort of getting them in, you end up with something that is everything you hoped.
 
Tuning as in revalving because restrictive adjusters just make for a hyrdo lock at fast piston speed, like your wanting to do really, so "twidling the knob" on compression only may not be a g/tee either ;)

I also think 10" isnt enough, and is why I always worked on 12" bolt in .

Coils are easy, compared to mounting coil overs, and having to remove them to change rates to tune them in an 80, theres 9 rear and 7 fronts available ideally to slip in, how many coil over rates do you have to choose from.

Im not suggesting any one type or brand, only suggesting you should maybe do some homework, and make sure for the effort of getting them in, you end up with something that is everything you hoped.

I know what you meant by tuning and revolving the shocks, I am there with you.

What 12" bolt in shock are you using? I prefer King...

How many coil over rates? A whole lot more than 9! I can pretty much order whatever I think I may need, then if it isn't right exchange the springs back out for others. I can / will weigh the truck at all 4 corners for the right weights to start with.

Also remember, I'm not looking to do any goofy 6" lift, it isn't needed, and the total height of the truck still will be a limiting factor because it stays in the garage and I don't want to change that. I can probably switch from the 50mm lift to say a 75mm and still fit, would be good if it fit with sunroof propped up so if I forgot I didn't shatter it.

I haven't dropped coin yet...
 
I know what you meant by tuning and revolving the shocks, I am there with you.

What 12" bolt in shock are you using? I prefer King...

I used to use King to make my custom stuff before changing to Icon afew years ago. I was going to continue to sell them but once we had the Icon experience, its fair to say we never did.

In our set ups we use a 12" bypass shock that bolts into the original mounts all round, with 2-3" lift, and they also have a built in hydro bump zone in the shock. Our CDC [comp only] adjustable 12" bolt ins also have this, as well as a piston and valving adjuster, which halves the line pressures at least you will see with a pintle, or restrictive style adjuster. The hydro lock feeling from restrictive adjusters is what gives the "90 psi in the tyres" feeling on sharp bumps.

My 80.
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How many coil over rates? A whole lot more than 9! I can pretty much order whatever I think I may need, then if it isn't right exchange the springs back out for others. I can / will weigh the truck at all 4 corners for the right weights to start with.

If you look at the lengths, and spring weight options, you will need to change the keepers or second rates as well, as the real choices that will actually fit and work arent as many as you think. I have fitted 12" coil overs to 80s, and played with lengths, rates, and valving, including secondary bypasses.

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Also remember, I'm not looking to do any goofy 6" lift, it isn't needed, and the total height of the truck still will be a limiting factor because it stays in the garage and I don't want to change that. I can probably switch from the 50mm lift to say a 75mm and still fit, would be good if it fit with sunroof propped up so if I forgot I didn't shatter it.

I haven't dropped coin yet...

Woody runs our 50mm intermediate [no goofy 6"] with my heavy duty rear sway bar [I sent for SNOWY LOL] and our 12" CDC stage 4 kit.

The sway bar is to prevent the roll steer from the rear with some lift, and work with the shocks/coils to keep the rear flat when the front is set right and very pointy.

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So like I have already said, Im not trying to sell you anything here, I am just trying to explain what I have found by doing pretty much what your thinking you want, and what you think should do the job for your intended budget. I am just offering up what I have found when having shocks custom made over the years by FOX, King, and Icon, having custom coils made, having coil overs and using coil over springs, etc etc.

So if your suspension works well enough for what you require, within 2 hours your front diff housing will be leaking from the carrier if you havent upgraded to 10mm diff studs [and RTV it to housing no gasket] and laminated the axle tubes, by the end of the week the panhard rod mount will be cracked at the chassis, if you havent welded it, and you may have a bent rear housing, without built in bump stops, and if you dont have a 06 on 105 sector shaft steering box, expect to be upgrading to one afterward. I may have already documented some of that earlier in this thread.

All without realizing its going on, if your suspension is not passing on whats happening under the car, because we see that alot.

No good upping the budget to be dissapointed as the fusable link moves down the line, when that wasnt the expectation.

Hope all that helps.
 
Well I did a little measuring and found I can safely go up another 2" in ride height with current tires.

So I guess that gives me a few additional options now too.
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I read the post about the overland gear guide testing and that they tested the Rancho RS9000xl and it doing really well....on a jeep maybe, but I have run the myself for over a year and have nothing kind to say about them, even on the highest setting and with HD coils they're not very firm at all. I just put a set of Bilstein 7100 with remote res 400/100 valving on the rear to see if they would offer better dampening and holy sh@ what a complete difference. I can compress the ranchos with one hand fairly easily dialed up to 9, it literally took all 232lbs of my being to compress the bilsteins. I'm not trying to sell anybody on bilsteins, I'm just warning against rs9000xls on an 80
 
Ranchos are a bit of a joke over here for heavy trucks we run, "drunken donkey shocks" we call them.
 

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