Heater and AC system re-foam. What types work and where (2 Viewers)

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Hi everyone,
Tis the season for AC woes... soon it will be back to heater woes and our air delivery systems are OLD now! They can definitely use some help at this point. I recently decided to redo the entire air system in my FJ62, this included everything coming out and getting all new foam seals throughout. It was hard to find into here on MUD in one source and some foam I had to figure out from other sites. So here it is!
For the duct joints:
Low Density Foam Tape, 1/2-by-3/4-Inch
Amazon.com: M-D Building Products 2113 Low Density Foam Tape, 1/2-by-3/4-Inch by 17 Feet, Gray: M-D BUILDING PRODUCTS: Home Improvement
This low density (open cell foam) is perfect for sealing the duct joints as the plastic is irregular and thin and this puts a nice low pressure seal that conforms to the shapes well. 1/2" by 1/2" open cell foam would also work well.

For the blend door and flap in the heater box and the blower box:
I used a polyester open cell foam, I found it as acoustical foam at a foam shop. 12"x4' cost me $3, I bought way too much but wanted to be sure I had enough for mistakes. 1/4" thick was about perfect. I had to thin it out (by shaving) at some of the pivot points but other than that it provides a perfect seal and is besides the color looks the exact same as factory. I used 3M super 90 spray adhesive to attach the foam to the metal doors.
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To get some of the blend doors out of the heater core box you have to get some tiny screws out. mine were rusty to I replaced them with new stainless steel:
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Video of blend doors working:


For the seal between the box units:
You can use the previously mentioned low density foam tape 1/2 by 3/4" or you can use exterior closed cell foam seal from Home Depot. 1inch by 1/4inch tall allows you to cut it in a way to recreate the factory seal. If any of the plastic is warped at all (from old age) or maybe delicate from cracks, I would use the low density foam as it conforms to shapes better and doesn't put as much pressure on the seal when compressed.
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That is about it! Good luck. Not a fun job by any means but it will be nice to have a refreshed system that will work as intended. Oh and not breathing in nasty decaying foam bits. hahaha
 
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Thanks for posting this. Threads that summarize a section of work, with parts and pictures are so helpful.

While I'm grateful have a resource such as MUD, sometimes searching through many posts to compile information for one task....is a task in itself!
 
Very nice info, thanks for posting these details. My heater will melt carpet and have really strong airflow so I won't get that deep into the duct work to replace the foam. However, that sparkling new evap coil makes me think I should just order a new one rather than trying to clean the original. Hmmmm....
 
@red66toy. Thanks for the great write up on refreshing the AC/ heater unit... it will come in handy when the day comes for me to tackle this project. Stellar work!
 
Thanks for the kind words!
@Skniper you know you need that new evap core! Hahahaha. At least the Denso unit is still available new...... ;)
 
Thanks for the kind words!
@Skniper you know you need that new evap core! Hahahaha. At least the Denso unit is still available new...... ;)

Yep...seriously considering going with a new denso unit the more I think about it and I have no idea how crudded up mine is.

I gotta think a good thorough cleaning of all the fins is time consuming and even then how clean can you get it deep down?
 
@red66toy I am finally about to tear down my AC evaporator and replace everything in the box including any foam stripping. I've sourced a couple different types of foam stripping to reseal the joints. I am not taking out the heater core like you did.

Question is: what flapper door foam is accessible when only the evap is removed? Looks like the flapper doors you detailed above are part of the heater core.
I still need to source some foam sheet material if any flapper/blend doors are accessible.

Thanks for any info.
 
It would be fairly simple to remove the fan motor housing once the AC box is out. There are 2 flaps in the fan motor housing, and as I recall 4 in the heater core box. None in the AC box. I think it would be difficult to access the flaps unless the boxes were out of the truck. Really the heart of things are the in heater box.

Here are a few pics from when I did mine recently.

Here is the foam I purchased for the flaps.

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It would be fairly simple to remove the fan motor housing once the AC box is out. There are 2 flaps in the fan motor housing, and as I recall 4 in the heater core box. None in the AC box. I think it would be difficult to access the flaps unless the boxes were out of the truck. Really the heart of things are the in heater box.

Here are a few pics from when I did mine recently.

Here is the foam I purchased for the flaps.

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Great photos, very helpful, thanks.

Just extracted my evaporator from the dash. Fairly easy, although the biggest hang up was the damn little pass. side floor heater vent. The inside of my heater core looks pristine, except the foam on the flapper is pretty shot as expected but it functions well and still seems to seal ok.

The evap, notsomuch...ugh!
 
If it's anything like mine, the foam looks good but crumbles when you touch it. But as long as it seals ok that's good. You don't really want to open the can of worms that is the heater core box. With the heater core NLA, if it ain't broke...
 
Great photos, very helpful, thanks.

Just extracted my evaporator from the dash. Fairly easy, although the biggest hang up was the damn little pass. side floor heater vent. The inside of my heater core looks pristine, except the foam on the flapper is pretty shot as expected but it functions well and still seems to seal ok.

The evap, notsomuch...ugh!
Hey! Yeah with the evap box removed the only flapper you could kinda sorta access is the flapper that diverts air to the heater core, and bypasses it. This is a very important flap of course. You may be able to clean it off and put new foam around the edges where it seals. If your foam is totally shot in this flapper then you don’t have much to lose, just will be a awkward job. :) The whole flapper is covered in foam which I never fully understood as only the outer edges of the face are the only real part that seal against a surface.
 
No doubt! I just scored a new box off ebay for a pretty decent price, so will be worthwhile to go through it and clean it all up like this and replace the foam since it is already out.

Why was this never added to the FAQ! Where are the mods on this one @Spike Strip @Mace
 
Got the new evap stabbed in, all good now.
Interesting OEM foam pattern on the cold/hot flapper door. Not sure if it serves to insulate the cold from hot or works mostly as a seal around the edges..(?)..not sure.

As mentioned previously the foam on mine crumbled to the touch. I made no attempt to put any new stuff around the edges, that would have been a painful exercise under the dash and it seems to seal well enough and certainly works well in the cabin.

This is the weatherstripping I used to reseal the inlet and outlet of the evap box. Found it at Home Depot. It’s wide enough to split it to replicate the OEM sealer pattern. My edges came out a little ragged, needed a fresher razor blade and I was getting in a hurry. Nobody can see it anyway right?
This stuff conforms really well and made a nice seal.

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Good info, I'm in process of swapping out my heater core, and I'm contemplating on what to do about the foam on the vent doors and duct work. I also am considering swapping out the evaporator core and expansion valve as to the extent I know, both parts are OEM from 1986. And I don't want to have to tear back into the dash anytime soon.
 
Good info, I'm in process of swapping out my heater core, and I'm contemplating on what to do about the foam on the vent doors and duct work. I also am considering swapping out the evaporator core and expansion valve as to the extent I know, both parts are OEM from 1986. And I don't want to have to tear back into the dash anytime soon.
If you can, definitely replace, repair or at least clean everything you can while you are in there. It’s worth it in the long run. :)
 
And . . . if you've opened the system, it's wise to replace the drier before evac-ing and recharging. Ask me how I know 🙄
 

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