GX550 vs LX600 vs GX460 vs LC Dimensions (8 Viewers)

[desmocruiser]

Is this an assumption of the Prado coming (which by the way I think you're right. Rebadge and dumb down the gx550 luxury) or is it confirmed by a reliable source that it won't be the 300 series, 70 series, new FJ, etc?

This was their strategy 2 plus years ago when they announced the end of the LC in America, which was really a pause if you heard the news from certain sources. I am sure they could have changed their mind and brought the 300 later, but the target market has swung even more in their favor since! By introducing the GX they give you a glimpse and Toyota enough time to properly package content within trim lines based on interest.

The 200 LC did not sell well until people feared the penultimate, the 70 series is far too utilitarian to be a big seller and get the media all giddy, and the FJ Cruiser, enough said there, this will sell incredibly well as Toyota’s halo vehicle and will be the official adventure family rig, it is genius!

 

[Brown98LC]

Exactly!

The same strategy is played out in other markets that didn’t receive the 200, they drop Prado from the 150 model and just call it Land Cruiser.

It will be capable and cool, sell out annually, bring $20-$30k over sticker, appease all the overlanders with it’s thick catalog of accessories, but from an over engineered and over built 200 or 300 series it will not be and according to Toyotas wisdom it doesn’t have to be!

It will feel lighter, because it is, and people will rave about the nimbleness, it will be like GX‘s and Prado’s have always been, a version of an upgraded 4Runner or a downgraded Land Cruiser, refer to it whichever way you like.

And all this is fine because they will be good rigs and plenty capable, but it will be a tough move from a 200 series “if“ you like the “Heavy feel” that we have associated with Land Cruisers for the past few iterations, however it will be a perfect step for the adventure family who wants something a little more mature than another 4Runner they bought just after grad school!

This is why Lexus is still emphasizing and displaying built LX’s, choices!

To be fair
The lc300 feels very nimble to drive vs the heavy feel of the lc200.

I think anyone here who owned a lx600 vs lx 570 would agree.

 

[Tex68w]

Not only would the 70 Series not sell well it would never happen from a safety standpoint. The South African and Australian Mines are the only markets/industries keeping them in production and recent rumors are that it's likely coming to an end soon in the Australian market. They are unique and old-school cool and are favored by the hardcore utilitarian types but they will have to continue to buy them on the secondary 25+ year old import market because a new 70 Series is a pipe dream if there ever was one. I enjoyed my two FJC's for what they were and for my needs and use case at that time in my life but if they ever bring it back it'll have to be more along the lines of the current Wrangler and Bronco if it wants a real chance to compete.

 

[TXMoose]

Not only would the 70 Series not sell well it would never happen from a safety standpoint. The South African and Australian Mines are the only markets/industries keeping them in production and recent rumors are that it's likely coming to an end soon in the Australian market. They are unique and old-school cool and are favored by the hardcore utilitarian types but they will have to continue to buy them on the secondary 25+ year old import market because a new 70 Series is a pipe dream if there ever was one. I enjoyed my two FJC's for what they were and for my needs and use case at that time in my life but if they ever bring it back it'll have to be more along the lines of the current Wrangler and Bronco if it wants a real chance to compete.

That's what I was thinking. A redone FJ to go after wrangler and bronco. Because in the world of everything getting larger all the time... will the 4runner grow in size as well?

 

[Taco Supremo]

But GX was on 150 platform…and now it is on same platform as 300.

The problem is that everything going forward is based on the TGNA-F platform…just a little shorten here, just thinner metal here or there….

So, it is hard to weed out the differences b/w Lexus LX vs. a GX vs. a 4runner vs. a Sequoia. They are all on the same basic backbone design.

This was their strategy 2 plus years ago when they announced the end of the LC in America, which was really a pause if you heard the news from certain sources. I am sure they could have changed their mind and brought the 300 later, but the target market has swung even more in their favor since! By introducing the GX they give you a glimpse and Toyota enough time to properly package content within trim lines based on interest.

The 200 LC did not sell well until people feared the penultimate, the 70 series is far too utilitarian to be a big seller and get the media all giddy, and the FJ Cruiser, enough said there, this will sell incredibly well as Toyota’s halo vehicle and will be the official adventure family rig, it is genius!

And that's all true. My only beef is with calling it a land cruiser as that crosses into 300 territory and confuses things. It's annoying and dilutes the LC heritage.

 

[desmocruiser]

But there will be differences, the material thickness, overall length, strength etc. will lead to perceived differences.

And that's all true. My only beef is with calling it a land cruiser as that crosses into 300 territory and confuses things. It's annoying and dilutes the LC heritage.

I agree 100%, certainly for me!

Being said they likely started into dilution with the 60 at the end of the 40 series, to some degree the 80 when they added leather, a Lexus model and an entirely new demographic started purchasing them, and definitely (because I watched firsthand) when the non inline 6 and solid axle ended and they introduced the 100 series. However, Toyota has a history of succeeding ( ignore the Supra abomination) with each one new model introduced)

Personally, I am confident and comfortable with the 200 series being the last one I will really respect as a full Land Cruiser in the US!

 

[TXMoose]

I agree 100%, certainly for me!

Being said they likely started into dilution with the 60 at the end of the 40 series, to some degree the 80 when they added leather, a Lexus model and an entirely new demographic started purchasing them, and definitely (because I watched firsthand) when the non inline 6 and solid axle ended and they introduced the 100 series. However, Toyota has a history of succeeding ( ignore the Supra abomination) with each one new model introduced)

Personally, I am confident and comfortable with the 200 series being the last one I will really respect as a full Land Cruiser in the US!

Here's to hoping that we get lucky and in the late 2020s or 2030 Toyota does a mid cycle 300 series refresh and brings it to the US. Because as a 200 series owner why would you buy a Prado? Almost as if the Sequoia TRD makes more sense.

 

[Madtiger]

And that's all true. My only beef is with calling it a land cruiser as that crosses into 300 territory and confuses things. It's annoying and dilutes the LC heritage.

But with similar platform and suspension…….why would the GX (for example) not be a 300?

 

[Taco Supremo]

I agree 100%, certainly for me!

Being said they likely started into dilution with the 60 at the end of the 40 series, to some degree the 80 when they added leather, a Lexus model and an entirely new demographic started purchasing them, and definitely (because I watched firsthand) when the non inline 6 and solid axle ended and they introduced the 100 series. However, Toyota has a history of succeeding ( ignore the Supra abomination) with each one new model introduced)

Personally, I am confident and comfortable with the 200 series being the last one I will really respect as a full Land Cruiser in the US!

Agreed. When the 80 came out though, the 70 series remained the heavy duty

Here's to hoping that we get lucky and in the late 2020s or 2030 Toyota does a mid cycle 300 series refresh and brings it to the US. Because as a 200 series owner why would you buy a Prado? Almost as if the Sequoia TRD makes more sense.

Sequoia is waaaaay too long to wheel imho

But with similar platform and suspension…….why would the GX (for example) not be a 300?

Why would a light duty prado/gx have the same overengineering as a medium duty like a LC/LX? Similar to saying the 200 is built to the same standards as the heavy duty 70 series. Am I missing something?

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Here's to hoping that we get lucky and in the late 2020s or 2030 Toyota does a mid cycle 300 series refresh and brings it to the US. Because as a 200 series owner why would you buy a Prado? Almost as if the Sequoia TRD makes more sense.

NEWS ALERT: 2030 LC300 to be EV only for its return to the US.

 

[desmocruiser]

But with similar platform and suspension…….why would the GX (for example) not be a 300?

Above my pay grade! Likely a well kept Toyota secret, mostly known by engineers and tier one suppliers.

Similar isn’t the same!!

 

[Madtiger]

Agreed. When the 80 came out though, the 70 series remained the heavy duty

Sequoia is waaaaay too long to wheel imho

Why would a light duty prado/gx have the same overengineering as a medium duty like a LC/LX? Similar to saying the 200 is built to the same standards as the heavy duty 70 series. Am I missing something?

LC70 and LC200 don’t share much (i think). Different frame. Different suspension. Different platform.

(BTW, according to LC chief, LC200 platform is STRONGER than LC70.)

I cannot speak of oversea stuff. BUT, the new LC300, LX600, GX550, and new Sequoia all share the same platform (TGNA-F) and suspension design. Differences are KDSS vs. none Vs. AHC. Aka…differences are more of the “add-ons” rather than fundamental suspension differences.

 

[Madtiger]

Above my pay grade! Likely a well kept Toyota secret, mostly known by engineers and tier one suppliers.

Similar isn’t the same!!

Agree 100%. That’s what i said earlier…differences will be in the details…that us ordinary consumers won’t know. And thus, all these TGNA-F platform vehicles will be tough to differentiate from consumer viewpoint.

For example, one look at a 2019 LC200 vs. 2019 Lexus GX…you see major differences in frame and suspension design and componentry.

Can you say the same bout the TGNA vehicles?

 

[Taco Supremo]

LC70 and LC200 don’t share much (i think). Different frame. Different suspension. Different platform.

(BTW, according to LC chief, LC200 platform is STRONGER than LC70.)

I cannot speak of oversea stuff. BUT, the new LC300, LX600, GX550, and new Sequoia all share the same platform (TGNA-F) and suspension design. Differences are KDSS vs. none Vs. AHC. Aka…differences are more of the “add-ons” rather than fundamental suspension differences.

That was my point. The 200 and 70 aren't the same. Which is why I'm questioning you stating that Prado/GX components in the new TGNA-F platform will be the same. How so? The tundra and new taco will have the same rear diff? The suspension components on the GX will be the same as the 300? That makes zero sense.

 

[Brown98LC]

You can find a comparison here

2024+ GX vs 2022+ LX -- Frame + suspension

So I posted these in the other threads but figure they are worthy of a separate thread for now, maybe someone with a good eye can tell us what difference they notice. 2024+ LEXUS GX LX 600

forum.ih8mud.com

 

[Madtiger]

That was my point. The 200 and 70 aren't the same. Which is why I'm questioning you stating that Prado/GX components in the new TGNA-F platform will be the same. How so? The tundra and new taco will have the same rear diff? The suspension components on the GX will be the same as the 300? That makes zero sense.

I don’t know. But GX is very similar size to LX/LC300. Both have same towing capacity. Same platform.

Tundra and Tacoma are very different in size and tow capacity.

 

[Madtiger]

You can find a comparison here

2024+ GX vs 2022+ LX -- Frame + suspension

So I posted these in the other threads but figure they are worthy of a separate thread for now, maybe someone with a good eye can tell us what difference they notice. 2024+ LEXUS GX LX 600

forum.ih8mud.com

Maybe i need magnifying glass, i don’t see much difference b/w GX and LX. I am sure that there are differences in the details & materials use, but like i said above, i bet that 99% of folks can’t tell the two apart when looking underneath either vehicles.

 

[Specialeyes]

NEWS ALERT: 2030 LC300 to be EV only for its return to the US.

This doesn’t sound entirely far fetched. There is a full EV GX550 in the pipeline by 2030.

 

[desmocruiser]

Maybe i need magnifying glass, i don’t see much difference b/w GX and LX. I am sure that there are differences in the details & materials use, but like i said above, i bet that 99% of folks can’t tell the two apart when looking underneath either vehicles.

They are likely going to be closer than previous generations, that is the nature of shared platforms. But there will be as many differences, let’s call it cousins instead of siblings!

To be fair
The lc300 feels very nimble to drive vs the heavy feel of the lc200.

I think anyone here who owned a lx600 vs lx 570 would agree.

I look forward to driving one or more accurately getting my Bride to drive one.

With the exception of my adding my ideal 70 series, I expect my existing Cruisers to last another 30 years and take me to the end of my driving days!

 

[Madtiger]

LC is a cheaper GX550. Basically a LC300 very very close relative.