GX550 Pricing, Specs & LC250 / 4Runner Related Info

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Just a guess but maybe the worry was them getting bashed under the truck, even if it was tucked up next to the frame rail.
I understand the concern. I suspect water is as much or more of a concern than impacts from below. The counterpoint is the 20 gallons of gasoline that seems to be okay down there with nothing more than a plastic rock deflector in most models. It's equally vulnerable. And the actual size is marginally larger than two 12v batteries. They could just go under the hood to keep them protected and relocate the controller to underneath or inside the cabin.

Another thought - odd as it may be - there might be a future where people try to steal them like catalytic converters.

All of those issues seem pretty solvable with relatively small engineering work. Protect them with skid plates. Seal the case for water and vent to an appropriate level or entirely seal them and use active or passive liquid cooling if necessary. Or even just make the case flat so it only raises the rear deck 2 inches instead of the shape of a brick sitting in the middle.

Another place they could go is under the drivers and passenger front seats. That's almost always unused space and those seats never need to fold down.
 
I've definitely read somewhere from Toyota that they want to have the battery inside the cabin. I don't know why that's so important but it apparently is. I suppose you could put it under the second row like on the Tundra, but then you would lose the tumble feature that you need to access a third row.
 
I've definitely read somewhere from Toyota that they want to have the battery inside the cabin. I don't know why that's so important but it apparently is. I suppose you could put it under the second row like on the Tundra, but then you would lose the tumble feature that you need to access a third row.
That makes sense, this is what the cold does to NiMH batteries:
However, electrochemical performance of NiMH batteries is strongly dependent on the temperature that they are exposed to. Thus, at temperatures below ca. -20 o C, the capacity of nickel-metal hydride batteries significantly declines (as compared to that recorded at room temperature), primarily due to electrochemical deterioration at their negative (MH) electrodes.
 
I get that inside is warmer when driving but is there really much difference between inside and outside overnight if parked in the driveway? Vehicles tend to spend much more time sitting than moving.
 
It's important in part because they're using NiMH battery chemistry. Maybe part of the answer is to use better batteries. I think this is one result of Toyota being caught behind the curve on developing supply chain for batteries. Plus side to NiMH - they're very cheap to manufacture.

Toyota puts other batteries underneath like the Rav4 Prime. It's an undermount battery pack. Seems to be fine.

I suspect the battery/temp concerns have more to do with extreme high temperature than low. Lowering the temperature slows the chemical reactions internally and should extend the life of the battery generally. High temperature is what is most likely to cause long term damage. And in that respect - I would think being underneath the car would experience less extreme heat. The inside of my cars typically is a lot hotter when parked vs underneath.

I also would guess that the rapid change in temperature harms the battery and being inside the cabin would help with that issue. But they could also insulate them easy enough and/or use a heat exchanger with the cabin to maintain similar temperatures between the battery pack and cabin.

Would be really cool to have a candid honest conversation with auto makers about these decisions. How much is to cut costs, how much is actual engineering requirements, etc. At the end of the day - it sure seems to me like they could still use the same batteries and put them inside the cabin just by packaging it better and still have the full cargo volume in the rear.
 
I get that inside is warmer when driving but is there really much difference between inside and outside overnight if parked in the driveway? Vehicles tend to spend much more time sitting than moving.
When mounted inside, it gets some insulation and protection from the outside temperature. Even if cold soaked, it will warm up quicker inside the cabin, which in turn contributes to higher battery duration capacity (slower discharge at warmer temperatures).

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I expect the 27mpg will only be on the base model with the small 245 series tires and lowest curb weight. I would be happy with 25 on the more mainstream model, personally.
I’m on the waitlist for the base 1958 version so that would be cool if it pushes better mpg…but the tires will be one thing I replace immediately with a) better tread like a Falken Wildpeak b) larger size, LT rated.

We’ll see though. It’s going to be hard for me to part with my Power Wagon.
 
I’m on the waitlist for the base 1958 version so that would be cool if it pushes better mpg…but the tires will be one thing I replace immediately with a) better tread like a Falken Wildpeak b) larger size, LT rated.

We’ll see though. It’s going to be hard for me to part with my Power Wagon.
You may start with better mpg, but the trade-off of larger tires and a more aggressive tread pattern, will reduce your MPG, but then again, everything is a trade-off.
 
I’m on the waitlist for the base 1958 version so that would be cool if it pushes better mpg…but the tires will be one thing I replace immediately with a) better tread like a Falken Wildpeak b) larger size, LT rated.

We’ll see though. It’s going to be hard for me to part with my Power Wagon.
Once you do that, your MPGs may not be far off the Power Wagon. My heavy 4runner on 35s gets 14.5mpg
 
I'm pretty sure you can leave a Prius (or other Toyota NiMH HEV) outside in -20 for several days and go start it up. A Li-ion battery at those temperatures would need a heat pump to keep itself warm, until it runs out of juice and leaves you stranded.
 
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You may start with better mpg, but the trade-off of larger tires and a more aggressive tread pattern, will reduce your MPG, but then again, everything is a trade-off.
True, but at least the base weight will be less without power seats, sunroof, etc
Once you do that, your MPGs may not be far off the Power Wagon. My heavy 4runner on 35s gets 14.5mpg
yeah, I would only go to LT265/70/18. My PW gets 12mpg average on 35s 🤷
 
Once you do that, your MPGs may not be far off the Power Wagon. My heavy 4runner on 35s gets 14.5mpg
35s? No thank you very much. My back hurts just thinking about changing those.
 
The tech info for both the GX and LC 250 is now available by the way.

If you have access to that it should be a good read.
 
curious to see pricing for the Middle East market ( LC250 / we won't get the GX 550 )
Hope that they don't increase J300 prices in the future to make the J250 settle in comfortably to a specific price range....
 
True, but at least the base weight will be less without power seats, sunroof, etc

yeah, I would only go to LT265/70/18. My PW gets 12mpg average on 35s 🤷

IMO - this is one situation where AHC like the LX has would be the dream solution for me. And adjustable height suspension that I can run at normal stock-ish height for a daily driver on 33" tires, but then can lift up 3 inches for the 3-5 times a year I do real challenging trails would be the best of both worlds without having to have 2 or 3 different vehicles setup for each condition. If the weight is pushing 6k lbs - I think we're really talking 35-37's as a good starting point. A Ford Raptor R only weighs 6k lbs.

If clearance is there, I'd like to just buy a set of 35 or ideally 37's that I can toss on for a week long trip to Moab or Baja and then the rest of the time just run some normal highway tires. Adjustable suspension is sort of the only way to do that without a lot of other work involved. That's kind of what I did with my 4Runner keeping street tires and offroad set and then I ran air bags in rear and would adjust the front coilovers up 2 inches for the summer months I was going offroad a lot. But the coilovers were a huge PITA to adjust. I wouldn't recommend it as a normal thing to do. I kept notes on alignment so I could also adjust alignment back and forth - it's pretty easy to just get two alignments and then write down how many rotations to adjust each tie-rod. But this isn't something most people would do. If it's just - push button and go up, rotate tires, and go - that's the dream to me.
 
IMO - this is one situation where AHC like the LX has would be the dream solution for me. And adjustable height suspension that I can run at normal stock-ish height for a daily driver on 33" tires, but then can lift up 3 inches for the 3-5 times a year I do real challenging trails would be the best of both worlds without having to have 2 or 3 different vehicles setup for each condition. If the weight is pushing 6k lbs - I think we're really talking 35-37's as a good starting point. A Ford Raptor R only weighs 6k lbs.

If clearance is there, I'd like to just buy a set of 35 or ideally 37's that I can toss on for a week long trip to Moab or Baja and then the rest of the time just run some normal highway tires. Adjustable suspension is sort of the only way to do that without a lot of other work involved. That's kind of what I did with my 4Runner keeping street tires and offroad set and then I ran air bags in rear and would adjust the front coilovers up 2 inches for the summer months I was going offroad a lot. But the coilovers were a huge PITA to adjust. I wouldn't recommend it as a normal thing to do. I kept notes on alignment so I could also adjust alignment back and forth - it's pretty easy to just get two alignments and then write down how many rotations to adjust each tie-rod. But this isn't something most people would do. If it's just - push button and go up, rotate tires, and go - that's the dream to me.
I LOVE AHC.
I had very little knowledge about it prior to owning the LX 570
All I remember is it being a hated option ( from my days reading the 100 section ).
Honestly love it, let's say it does go wrong...when? After 15 years +? I will take my chances honestly. Love the way it levels out when fully packed and how it so active. I never realized how active the active part is until I see it adjusting itself with load; etc. Still cool now, imagine back in 1998?

Ride could be better in certain modes - I find firm too firm and soft too soft and normal meh but other than that honestly I prefer it over nothing ( if I were to keep it stock )
 
posted this earlier in the other thread.
Here is the fuel economy info from the Saudi efficiency data base.
Non hybrid
10.6 Km per l
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The tech info for both the GX and LC 250 is now available by the way.

If you have access to that it should be a good read.

250 specs - where?

I get that inside is warmer when driving but is there really much difference between inside and outside overnight if parked in the driveway? Vehicles tend to spend much more time sitting than moving.
There’s very little or no difference on a winter night when it’s coldest and matters most.
 

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