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If so - then the GX hybrid wouldn't ever come with the third row?
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For the US based GX500 and LC250, at the reveals they stated no third row with hybrid. I assume the 4Runner will be the same if you opt for a 4Runner hybrid.
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Bummer, I was getting excited to see a V6tt with the hybrid addition.
So, if you had the choice between the two engines (2.4 or 3.4) which would you lean toward? All of my LC's have the 3rd row removed, so losing that isn't a deal breaker for me.
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So, if you had the choice between the two engines (2.4 or 3.4) which would you lean toward? All of my LC's have the 3rd row removed, so losing that isn't a deal breaker for me.
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For me, if it's 27 MPG and a 21 gal tank, that'd be amazing: 2.4L all day. Literally.
Although me and a buddy think that Toyota will nerf the fuel tank if it is 27 mpg to keep the range no more than 500 miles.
Although me and a buddy think that Toyota will nerf the fuel tank if it is 27 mpg to keep the range no more than 500 miles.
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I average about 30k miles a year and keep a vehicle 10 years minimum, so the fuel savings ($25K+) of the 2.4t is almost certainly going to win out for me.
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Update: At the reveal, Toyota released images of the hybrid with 3rd row. Reviewers said it would not come to the US, but since they showed it, maybe there is still hope.
My hopes for 27mpg With the 2.4T-H are quickly vanishing when they released the Tacoma Limited (AWD) which is rated at, 20city/23highway/21combined. Compared with the Grand Highlander AWD 2.4T which gets 20/26/22 and GH AWD MAX which is rated at 25/27/27…I think we will maybe see 25/24/25 on the Land Cruiser
Interesting the Tacoma only gets 18.2gallon fuel capacity
I wonder too. We'll see.
Toyota is still advertising 27 mpg on its Canada website. That estimate is based on Canadian government standards for assessing fuel efficiency which are similar to but not the same as EPA's. It could be that EPA's estimate comes in lower. We'll see. Some dealer websites in the US are also still advertising 27 mpg, but that's probably an artifact of the original press materials from which fuel efficiency estimates were pulled (I expect because Toyota is awaiting an official EPA estimate for the U.S.).
While I would strongly prefer the 21 gallon tank, I won't be surprised to see a 17 or 18 gallon tank. But I don't see utility in a smaller tank other than shaving 20 or pounds of fuel weight from a payload rating. Also, with the exception of some configurations of the 300 that can be equipped with a 28 gallon tank (as I recall), 21 gallons is thus far the default tank size for the 250/300 chassis (seen in the 300 and now GX too). Since the hybrid's battery is located above the frame, the hybrid system doesn't seem to intrude on below-frame component space; presumably there's room for the 21 gallon tank, and if that's the default tank otherwise, hopefully they'll just retain it.
I'm hoping that Toyota errs on the side of a larger tank and more range in keeping with Land Cruiser's return to utility. Insofar as Toyota aims to knock it out of the park for remote touring, the larger tank and over-500-mile range would be the right call.
But again, we'll see.
Do you have a link for the reveal press release?Update: At the reveal, Toyota released images of the hybrid with 3rd row. Reviewers said it would not come to the US, but since they showed it, maybe there is still hope.
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Here are several, the US reveal link and the Japan world premier news release and website (via google translate).
強化越野硬派形象，Lexus GX 第三世代北美世界初首發、成為全球戰略越野車！ | CarStuff人車事 | LINE TODAY
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SOPHISTICATED UTILITY VEHICLE: ALL-NEW 2024 LEXUS GX REDEFINES SUV - Lexus USA Newsroom
AUSTIN, Texas (June 8, 2023) – Elevating the adventure-ready SUV segment is not a task taken lightly, but the all-new 2024 Lexus GX is up to the challenge with an unparalleled combination of elegant features, offroad capability, and the luxurious […]
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1951 年の誕生以来、多様な用途、要望から3つのモデルに派生し、進化を遂げてきたランドクルーザー。2023 年再び国内で揃う3つのシリーズ、そしてランドクルーザーの使命や歴史について紹介します。
LEXUS、新型「GX」を世界初公開 | レクサス | グローバルニュースルーム | トヨタ自動車株式会社 公式企業サイト
LEXUSは、2023年6月8日（現地時間）に米国・テキサス州オースティンにて新型「GX」を世界初公開しました。2023年末より、順次各地域に展開してまいります。
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LEXUS、新型「GX」を世界初公開 | レクサス | グローバルニュースルーム | トヨタ自動車株式会社 公式企業サイト
LEXUSは、2023年6月8日（現地時間）に米国・テキサス州オースティンにて新型「GX」を世界初公開しました。2023年末より、順次各地域に展開してまいります。global.toyota
Thanks for the link, I could not find it, it is the one with the bulk Download (132 images), with all the chassis images, here it is in google translate.
LEXUS、新型「GX」を世界初公開 | レクサス | グローバルニュースルーム | トヨタ自動車株式会社 公式企業サイト
LEXUSは、2023年6月8日（現地時間）に米国・テキサス州オースティンにて新型「GX」を世界初公開しました。2023年末より、順次各地域に展開してまいります。
I love that the battery pack is easy to replace. Maybe the aftermarket will make more powerful batteries in the same space, increasing the over all range. May take 10 years.
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18 gal x 24-26 mpg = 432-468 miles
Seeing that 18gal tank for the Tacoma (and TNGA-F) shows that there is a smaller tank than the 21 gal on TNGA-F.
This is where I think Toyota will show it's more about $ than providing customers what they want/need. 500+ miles of range would be epic though and I hope I'm wrong.
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I agree, since the battery doesn’t protrude down, I would think they would just keep the same fuel tank. Hopefully.
TBH my hype on the 250 has come down a lot since they released the Tacoma and GX specs. Disappointing mpg rating on the Tacoma, and the GX is HEAVY. Not sure how much more the v6tt and 10speed weighs vs 2.4t with 8 speed; but the GX curb weight is ~5500lbs. The hybrid system will likely be about 500lbs. So it’s possible the 250 will be in the 6,000lbs range.
I expect the 27mpg will only be on the base model with the small 245 series tires and lowest curb weight. I would be happy with 25 on the more mainstream model, personally.
They already are. I haven't really looked into them, but have seen them advertised plenty for swapping out the cells for lithium ion ones in many of the Toyota hybrid models. Probably not wise to do so without the thermal management that lithium batteries get in OEM applications, versus the simple fan the nimh Toyota batteries get.
I like the hybrid idea although I've been critical of some of the choices, I still prefer a hybrid if it works well and delivers as promised.
I remain confused why Toyota is not packaging this differently. The obvious placement to me is hybrid battery goes where spare tire sits and they hang the spare on the back. Just like has been done with long range fuel tanks for the last 50 years. Or re-shape it to fit along side the frame rail where the aux fuel tank goes in the LC300. The battery pack weighs about 150-200lbs. It's not exceedingly heavy. And there's also no reason it has to be a singular pack. It could also easily be split into two packs one mounted on each frame rail roughly 8 inches wide and 24" long. Even just mounting it under the middle row would probably work better than how they are doing it.
There are many ways to package this that would allow full cargo area, 3 rows, and hybrid 4ycl. I'm not seeing the engineering constraint that is driving the placement inside the rear cabin space. What am I missing here? Is it due to the use of NiMH batteries that need to be in the conditioned temperatures of the cabin? Or???
For scale - this is what we're talking about. it's not that big. It could even be put in the bottom of a large the center console.
Or two of these:
It looks to me like there would be more than adequate room for one of those packs on the inside of each frame rail with a robust case to protect it or inside the rear quarter panels instead of on the floor. Or - in a more advanced manufacturing world they could actually live inside the unused cavity of the frame box section.
I remain confused why Toyota is not packaging this differently. The obvious placement to me is hybrid battery goes where spare tire sits and they hang the spare on the back. Just like has been done with long range fuel tanks for the last 50 years. Or re-shape it to fit along side the frame rail where the aux fuel tank goes in the LC300. The battery pack weighs about 150-200lbs. It's not exceedingly heavy. And there's also no reason it has to be a singular pack. It could also easily be split into two packs one mounted on each frame rail roughly 8 inches wide and 24" long. Even just mounting it under the middle row would probably work better than how they are doing it.
There are many ways to package this that would allow full cargo area, 3 rows, and hybrid 4ycl. I'm not seeing the engineering constraint that is driving the placement inside the rear cabin space. What am I missing here? Is it due to the use of NiMH batteries that need to be in the conditioned temperatures of the cabin? Or???
For scale - this is what we're talking about. it's not that big. It could even be put in the bottom of a large the center console.
Or two of these:
It looks to me like there would be more than adequate room for one of those packs on the inside of each frame rail with a robust case to protect it or inside the rear quarter panels instead of on the floor. Or - in a more advanced manufacturing world they could actually live inside the unused cavity of the frame box section.
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