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If so - then the GX hybrid wouldn't ever come with the third row?I'm assuming that the GX Hybrid will then have the same battery bump as the 250.
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If so - then the GX hybrid wouldn't ever come with the third row?I'm assuming that the GX Hybrid will then have the same battery bump as the 250.
For the US based GX500 and LC250, at the reveals they stated no third row with hybrid. I assume the 4Runner will be the same if you opt for a 4Runner hybrid.If so - then the GX hybrid wouldn't ever come with the third row?
I average about 30k miles a year and keep a vehicle 10 years minimum, so the fuel savings ($25K+) of the 2.4t is almost certainly going to win out for me.So, if you had the choice between the two engines (2.4 or 3.4) which would you lean toward? All of my LC's have the 3rd row removed, so losing that isn't a deal breaker for me.
Update: At the reveal, Toyota released images of the hybrid with 3rd row. Reviewers said it would not come to the US, but since they showed it, maybe there is still hope.If so - then the GX hybrid wouldn't ever come with the third row?
My hopes for 27mpg With the 2.4T-H are quickly vanishing when they released the Tacoma Limited (AWD) which is rated at, 20city/23highway/21combined. Compared with the Grand Highlander AWD 2.4T which gets 20/26/22 and GH AWD MAX which is rated at 25/27/27…I think we will maybe see 25/24/25 on the Land CruiserThe spec sheet verifies fuel capacity (same as 300 series) and thus my earlier range calcs for the GX.
Still awaiting verification that the TH shares this same fuel tank and that 27 mpg combined holds up with EPA; I expect so.
Relative to the 200, the GX's smaller tank and poor efficiency gains yield less range.
At 27 mpg, even equipped with a 14 gallon tank, the turbo hybrid's range would still best that of the GX.
Series / Yr Fuel Capacity Est. Comb. MPG Fuel Weight Total Fuel Weight Range Miles/lb Fuel Weight $/mile ($5/gal) 80 / 92 25.10 11.00 6.10 153.11 276.10 1.80 $0.45 100 / 2002 25.40 13.00 6.10 154.94 330.20 2.13 $0.38 200 / 2020 25.40 15.00 6.10 154.94 381.00 2.46 $0.33 250 / 2024 (TH) 21.13 27.00 6.10 128.89 570.51 4.43 $0.19 250 / 2024 (V6) 21.13 17.00 6.10 128.89 359.21 2.79 $0.29
My hopes for 27mpg With the 2.4T-H are quickly vanishing when they released the Tacoma Limited (AWD) which is rated at, 20city/23highway/21combined. Compared with the Grand Highlander AWD 2.4T which gets 20/26/22 and GH AWD MAX which is rated at 25/27/27…I think we will maybe see 25/24/25 on the Land Cruiser
Interesting the Tacoma only gets 18.2gallon fuel capacity
Do you have a link for the reveal press release?Update: At the reveal, Toyota released images of the hybrid with 3rd row. Reviewers said it would not come to the US, but since they showed it, maybe there is still hope.
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Here are several, the US reveal link and the Japan world premier news release and website (via google translate).Do you have a link for the reveal press release?
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LEXUS、新型「GX」を世界初公開 | レクサス | グローバルニュースルーム | トヨタ自動車株式会社 公式企業サイト
LEXUSは、2023年6月8日(現地時間)に米国・テキサス州オースティンにて新型「GX」を世界初公開しました。2023年末より、順次各地域に展開してまいります。global.toyota
My hopes for 27mpg With the 2.4T-H are quickly vanishing when they released the Tacoma Limited (AWD) which is rated at, 20city/23highway/21combined. Compared with the Grand Highlander AWD 2.4T which gets 20/26/22 and GH AWD MAX which is rated at 25/27/27…I think we will maybe see 25/24/25 on the Land Cruiser
Interesting the Tacoma only gets 18.2gallon fuel capacity
I agree, since the battery doesn’t protrude down, I would think they would just keep the same fuel tank. Hopefully.I wonder too. We'll see.
Toyota is still advertising 27 mpg on its Canada website. That estimate is based on Canadian government standards for assessing fuel efficiency which are similar to but not the same as EPA's. It could be that EPA's estimate comes in lower. We'll see. Some dealer websites in the US are also still advertising 27 mpg, but that's probably an artifact of the original press materials from which fuel efficiency estimates were pulled (I expect because Toyota is awaiting an official EPA estimate for the U.S.).
While I would strongly prefer the 21 gallon tank, I won't be surprised to see a 17 or 18 gallon tank. But I don't see utility in a smaller tank other than shaving 20 or pounds of fuel weight from a payload rating. Also, with the exception of some configurations of the 300 that can be equipped with a 28 gallon tank (as I recall), 21 gallons is thus far the default tank size for the 250/300 chassis (seen in the 300 and now GX too). Since the hybrid's battery is located above the frame, the hybrid system doesn't seem to intrude on below-frame component space; presumably there's room for the 21 gallon tank, and if that's the default tank otherwise, hopefully they'll just retain it.
I'm hoping that Toyota errs on the side of a larger tank and more range in keeping with Land Cruiser's return to utility. Insofar as Toyota aims to knock it out of the park for remote touring, the larger tank and over-500-mile range would be the right call.
But again, we'll see.
I expect the 27mpg will only be on the base model with the small 245 series tires and lowest curb weight. I would be happy with 25 on the more mainstream model, personally.My hopes for 27mpg With the 2.4T-H are quickly vanishing when they released the Tacoma Limited (AWD) which is rated at, 20city/23highway/21combined. Compared with the Grand Highlander AWD 2.4T which gets 20/26/22 and GH AWD MAX which is rated at 25/27/27…I think we will maybe see 25/24/25 on the Land Cruiser
Interesting the Tacoma only gets 18.2gallon fuel capacity
They already are. I haven't really looked into them, but have seen them advertised plenty for swapping out the cells for lithium ion ones in many of the Toyota hybrid models. Probably not wise to do so without the thermal management that lithium batteries get in OEM applications, versus the simple fan the nimh Toyota batteries get.I love that the battery pack is easy to replace. Maybe the aftermarket will make more powerful batteries in the same space, increasing the over all range. May take 10 years.