For John. N74L vs N101

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ShottsUZJ100 said:
I don't disbelieve you. It's just in my testing I've reached the limit. We'd luv some info, pics, and models on a better option. In Australia, you might have been playing with other options for a long time. Here. I've been it in the US...that I know of. I'd luv detailed info on other options.

And by the way.....I'm not trying to be your opponent. Between you and me we might bring a killer option to the US on the UZJ100.
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
I don't disbelieve you. It's just in my testing I've reached the limit. I'd luv detailed info on other options.

John, Im not saying you do, disbelieve, and disprove, are 2 different terminologies, one of which, as you say, you werent attempting.

Im just pointing out your post wasnt 100% technically correct, for anyone who may read it, it is only what you have found, on your truck, with one kind of shock, and one tyre, and rim offset.

I saw it as an opportunity to point out there is always more than one experience, and I have given you alot of techinical detail in this, and other threads regarding the shocker issues on the 100 John, and your first sentence of your post makes the rest of the post misleading.

Ill say it one more time John, post less in tech, and read more in tech, or post your stuff in chit chat, where it doesnt have to be technically correct.
 
ats4x4dotcom said:
John, Im not saying you do, disbelieve, and disprove, are 2 different terminologies, one of which, as you say, you werent attempting.

Im just pointing out your post wasnt 100% technically correct, for anyone who may read it, it is only what you have found, on your truck, with one kind of shock, and one tyre, and rim offset.

I saw it as an opportunity to point out there is always more than one experience, and I have given you alot of techinical detail in this, and other threads regarding the shocker issues on the 100 John, and your first sentence of your post makes the rest of the post misleading.

Ill say it one more time John, post less in tech, and read more in tech, or post your stuff in chit chat, where it doesnt have to be technically correct.




Well, I for one, am anxious to hear/see what the real solution entails. Billies and maybe the custo springs to make the rear of a 100 rig equipped like mine handle properly.

Damn it sucks to be impatient :eek:
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
I don't disbelieve you. It's just in my testing I've reached the limit. We'd luv some info, pics, and models on a better option. In Australia, you might have been playing with other options for a long time. Here. I've been it in the US...that I know of. I'd luv detailed info on other options.


Then there are guys like Amando, who have been doing this a LONG time in the 100, actually wheel their 100 on hard trails, but don't post up just to inflate their own ego and try to get themselves in magazines. i.e. guys with no self-esteem issues. :rolleyes:

edit: Sorry all, that sounded a bit vindictive, but sometimes you just get tired of hearing the same s#!t over and over again... :shotts:

So back on topic: OME sucks, they blow out too easily, they are of poor quality, and did I mention they blow out too easily? Darren, get that Bilstein solution over here pronto!
 
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dclee said:
So back on topic: OME sucks, they blow out too easily, they are of poor quality, and did I mention they blow out too easily? Darren, get that Bilstein solution over here pronto!



My OME shocks, which are less than 1-year old, worked fairly well for the first 5-7.5K. Now they are really harsh around town on the smaller expansion cracks, potholes, etc. and not near enough dampening for larger obstacles (off-road or on-road). So now I have the worst of both!
 
spressomon said:
My OME shocks, which are less than 1-year old, worked fairly well for the first 5-7.5K. Now they are really harsh around town on the smaller expansion cracks, potholes, etc. and not near enough dampening for larger obstacles (off-road or on-road). So now I have the worst of both!

Not only that, you got a shock with 50% of its price based around the name on the sticker ;)
 
If Shotts wants to post his experiences with things he's tried on his vehicle, whether he knows they've been done before or not, I fully support that.

I just don't see how he catches soooo much s*** for it. A little.... well, sure. It is Shotts after all. ;) But if his posts bring discussion about the limits of 100series modification, they are 20X better than 80% of the threads here.
 
shocker said:
If Shotts wants to post his experiences with things he's tried on his vehicle, whether he knows they've been done before or not, I fully support that.

I fully agree with you, what i dont agree with, is posting incorrect and misleading information which is factually incorrect, cant be supported with data, and cant except its wrong, in a tech section, chit chat is for opinions and wether things 'feel" better, tech is for t-e-c-h.
 
ats4x4dotcom said:
I fully agree with you, what i dont agree with, is posting incorrect and misleading information which is factually incorrect, cant be supported with data, and cant except its wrong, in a tech section, chit chat is for opinions and wether things 'feel" better, tech is for t-e-c-h.

Well, I think you're always going to get wrong info posted in a internet forum. That's why people can reply or add posts to ammend or correct the information.

Maybe it's just Shotts' delivery that needs some work.

At any rate, he must be a glutton for punishment, otherwise he would have left a long time ago. haha...
 
wngrog said:
Yeah John, you can jump in there between Darren and Chirsto and be the long shock salesman for the US. :D

What's going on in Australia? Who knows.

Here in the US....you bring up Christo....uhm....he wasn't N74L-ing 100's until after I installed the first set. So think what you wish...but I was doing things (mods) on 100's before even him.

This isn't to clang my own cymball. It's to correct your incorrect statement.
 
shocker said:
Well, I think you're always going to get wrong info posted in a internet forum. That's why people can reply or add posts to ammend or correct the information.

Maybe it's just Shotts' delivery that needs some work.

At any rate, he must be a glutton for punishment, otherwise he would have left a long time ago. haha...

ATS can post how wrong my details/tech are until the kangaros come home. ATS and Slee can play with my writing/tech semantics until they convince those who do not have hands on experience that I'm not credible. Doesn't matter to me. My results show themselves on the trail. If they didn't, the mods would come back off.
The "Amando" comment I'll not even address. :D

The facts are that on a 100, the statements I made about travel, rubbing, blah blah are correct and credible. It's not rocket science to see this in the field.

Putting on a smaller diameter shock might reduce or eliminate the sway bar hitting the shock, but it doesn't address other issues such as frame and bumper rubbing.

All I am saying to the readers of this thread is....BEFORE you go to the trouble of body lifts and shocks we don't even know about here in the US...consider the limitations I've encountered with the N74L. All of us on the trail last weekend agreed that I was at the limit on the travel scale unless you make more changes to your truck.

If a better solution exists (like ATS says), it will be an extremely small difference in the articulation dept. And yes...I hope Slee comes back from Moab with an even better solution. We all benefit from that, just like the ones who have followed this lead on the N74L.

Oh...and in the picture below....I don't care WHAT FORCE pushes the axle down or whether or not it's just gravity. All I care about....IT WORKS WAY BETTER THAN 100 SHOCKS....which was the reason this thread began. :)

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2 replies, one after the other, you must of been wound up today john.

I think you will find no one says the shock doesnt work differently to the OEM John, they just dont believe what you say, because even you dont know what your saying, thats why your threads should go to chit chat, and you should become a better listener, so you can learn how to fix some of the issues you come across, rather than say it wont work.

Your glass neeeds to be half full, not half empty, when you get to this stage, so you dont stop now, but your attitude wont allow you to learn any more, which is the sad part for you.
 
ats4x4dotcom said:
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you dont know what your saying, blah blah blah blah blah your threads should go to chit chat, blah you should become a better listener, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Your glass neeeds to be half full, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah, so you dont blah blah blah, but your attitude wont allow you blah blah blah, which is the sad part for you.



you need, you should blah blah...give it up. Your not going to change how shotts posts on this board. Different Strokes..




Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum,
What might be right for you, may not be right for some.
A man is born, he's a man of means.
Then along come two, they got nothing but their jeans.

But they got, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.

Everybody's got a special kind of story
Everybody finds a way to shine,
It don't matter that you got not alot
So what,
They'll have theirs, and you'll have yours, and I'll have mine.
And together we'll be fine....

Because it takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.
Yes it does.
It takes, Diff'rent Strokes to move the world.



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bull said:
you need, you should blah blah...give it up. Your not going to change how shotts posts on this board. Different Strokes..

Read back, and tell me it hasnt already happened.

Anyway, by your logic, he is allowed to post what he likes, and Im not, can you explain that for me a little better?

Or have you told him to giive it up as well?
 
Diff'rent Strokes theme song..........awesome.....


Mr. Drummond probably had a kick ass 100 with all his cash:grinpimp:
 
bluecruiser said:
Diff'rent Strokes theme song..........awesome.....


Mr. Drummond probably had a kick ass 100 with all his cash:grinpimp:

I'll bet though Mr. Drummond used it for cafe runs. :D

No need to be specific...just a yes or a no....but on our run last Saturday...did you hear what a few of the more knowledgeable people said to me about ATS and his opinions on this thread? Just curious. Y? N?
 
ats4x4dotcom said:
John,
that is why we use the Bilstein, its smaller dia, and longer, and doesnt have the issues with the shock you have chosen, so it isnt a problem, meaning we dont even swap a bush kit either, so the Bilstein not only works better, because of its valving, it is actually the only true "bolt on" as it comes, with the most travel to suit the 100.

Just an FYI on your post, and your otyher points are only valid with 315 on standard offset rims.


Since this is a tech forum, maybe you would post the compressed and extended measurements of those shocks. I'm interested in the valving too:idea:
 

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