For John. N74L vs N101

[ats4x4dotcom]

John,
Im sure you will be able to give the mag photographer afew tips on 'poser" shots for the mag too, hopefully he wont want any shots of you actually parked at the top of any

 

[tabraha]

John,
Im sure you will be able to give the mag photographer afew tips on 'poser" shots for the mag too, hopefully he wont want any shots of you actually parked at the top of any

Where's the pic of the rest of that rig in your avatar? Looks really nice from what little I can see. Post up!!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John,
Im sure you will be able to give the mag photographer afew tips on 'poser" shots for the mag too, hopefully he wont want any shots of you actually parked at the top of any

You'll have to blame them. They stopped me at places on the trail for shotts. Phew! I'm innocent for once.

Besides...there's planty of non-poser shotts from the Moab trips.

 

[wngrog]

Where's the pic of the rest of that rig in your avatar? Looks really nice from what little I can see. Post up!!!

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

truck has 40 x 16.5/17" pitbull rockers around home on allied monster beadlocked 17 x 10's, and I run 37 x 13.5/17 Xterrains on 17 x 9 rims for touring/outback/desert.

truck has a 6" lift, castor correction, heavy duty rear arms, and is a Nissan patrol GU 05 model, turbo diesel intercooled 4.2 with pump re time, boost upgrade, and new dump pipe and exhaust, so has about 160 kw flywheel, and 660nm, and the truck has had grinder treatment and is currently pulled apart, while we fit Fox 3 tube bypass shocks all round.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

recent water crossing, flowing hard, bonnet is 4' 8" high

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

And one from earlier in this thread.

 

[wngrog]

truck has 40 x 16.5/17" pitbull rockers around home on allied monster beadlocked 17 x 10's, and I run 37 x 13.5/17 Xterrains on 17 x 9 rims for touring/outback/desert.

truck has a 6" lift, castor correction, heavy duty rear arms, and is a Nissan patrol GU 05 model, turbo diesel intercooled 4.2 with pump re time, boost upgrade, and new dump pipe and exhaust, so has about 160 kw flywheel, and 660nm, and the truck has had grinder treatment and is currently pulled apart, while we fit Fox 3 tube bypass shocks all round.

I wanted some of those wheels on my buggy but they were like $450 a pop. I like them, but not that much

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

$900 ea here....

But have to display them, to sell them

 

[tabraha]

That sure is a sharp nissan!

 

[expeditionswest]

John,
Im sure you will be able to give the mag photographer afew tips on 'poser" shots for the mag too, hopefully he wont want any shots of you actually parked at the top of any

I wrote the feature on John's truck for Off-Road, and his 100 is an impressive vehicle within the confines of the truck and drivers capabilities. We took the truck on a moderate trail and shot images of it doing moderate obstacles. I doubt there are many other vehicles more comfortable to cross that terrain in.

I would also caution against silencing someone for their opinions or choice of modifications (or even their technical ability). That is one of the biggest issues with forums is the lack of openness to new ideas and new people. Improvements are made through trial and error and on the trail testing. We all benefit from that.

We can all agree that John's truck has been a great test bed for new products and new ideas (right, wrong or indifferent). He has the resources to put them into play. From that point, we are all intelligent enough to decide if the change was actually an improvement.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

I would also caution against silencing someone for their opinions or choice of modifications (or even their technical ability). That is one of the biggest issues with forums is the lack of openness to new ideas and new people.

Couldnt agree with you more on that, but for the newbies, there is always the information needing to be correct.

If you want to let the world know you might of discovered something, then posting up the info about lengths, compressed lengths, total more travel etc, are all items I would expect you would be asked.

And when someone tells you that you have done something common, dont complain, and pretend you dont care, and not offer up any information in the proccess, that is the important factor, because misinformation is worse than no information.

"ask" and "Tell" are very important words for those who want to offer information, and everyone can judge it on its merits, how good it is, when questioned soon comes out in the wash

 

[wngrog]

I just read this thread again for kicks and the bottom line I get out of this is that all of you need to get a REAL trail rig and keep your 100's on the bunny slopes

 

[expeditionswest]

Is that "buggy" actually ON a trail?

If that area is some type of open OHV park then disregard...

 

[wngrog]

Is that "buggy" actually ON a trail?

If that area is some type of open OHV park then disregard...

Yeah, private park www.katemcyrocks.com

The buggy is all Toyota save the D60 in the front..Taco motor, Mini 5 sp, doubler, taco rear axle.

Best part is the 10 is the tow rig

 

[expeditionswest]

The buggy is all Toyota save the D60 in the front..Taco motor, Mini 5 sp, doubler, taco rear axle.

Right on (and cool machine)

 

[FirstToy]

Couldnt agree with you more on that, but for the newbies, there is always the information needing to be correct.

If you want to let the world know you might of discovered something, then posting up the info about lengths, compressed lengths, total more travel etc, are all items I would expect you would be asked.

And when someone tells you that you have done something common, dont complain, and pretend you dont care, and not offer up any information in the proccess, that is the important factor, because misinformation is worse than no information.

"ask" and "Tell" are very important words for those who want to offer information, and everyone can judge it on its merits, how good it is, when questioned soon comes out in the wash

Great condensation of this thread.

Additionally, there are other great ideas for the 100 out there but you meet them on the trail and they aren't bothered to post on forums.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

UPDATE for those in the US contemplating this or another long-shock modification:

After close inspection this past weekend, we've determined that the N74L shock offers the longest travel possible in a bolt-on design without requiring additional modifications.
To date, I've commented that the 35" tire rubs the Slee bumper when it's completely compressed...though it caused no problems.

We also have noticed (and hear when it's happening) that the inside of the 315 tire rubs the frame in about a 6+ inch spot (body lift won't help this).

The theory was that if someone was running a smaller tire and/or did a body lift you might get more travel than even the N74L.

After this weekend, none of us could tell how, without also modifying or removing the rear sway bar. At full extension the sway bar bends on the bushing/mount, and at an angle, and the bar itself makes contact with the shock. The bar is tight against the shock (though not tight enough to damage it in our opinion), therefore the shock body itself is even a "travel limiter".

Bottom line: It appears that at the shock's full extension, the sway bar vs shock and the Slee bumper vs tire all meet up at the same point, limiting added travel.

Conclusion....even with 32-34" tires, the SHOCK VS SWAY BAR scenario will limit your travel. Body lifts will not correct for this. If people say they have a longer travel setup on the 100 WITHOUT modifying or removing the sway bar I would suggest you ask for pics and such before going that route. There is no more down-travel left. There might be some more up-travel possible, though not with a 315 tire (because the frame stops it).

Since I'm not willing to remove the rear sway on this truck...the rear end is done. This past weeks additional trail testing (5 trails) assured us of the dramatic off-road improvements this mod has done for the 100.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

UPDATE for those in the US contemplating this or another long-shock modification:

Bottom line: It appears that at the shock's full extension, the sway bar vs shock and the Slee bumper vs tire all meet up at the same point, limiting added travel.

Conclusion....even with 32-34" tires, the SHOCK VS SWAY BAR scenario will limit your travel.

John,
that is why we use the Bilstein, its smaller dia, and longer, and doesnt have the issues with the shock you have chosen, so it isnt a problem, meaning we dont even swap a bush kit either, so the Bilstein not only works better, because of its valving, it is actually the only true "bolt on" as it comes, with the most travel to suit the 100.

Just an FYI on your post, and your otyher points are only valid with 315 on standard offset rims.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John,
that is why we use the Bilstein, its smaller dia, and longer, and doesnt have the issues with the shock you have chosen, so it isnt a problem, meaning we dont even swap a bush kit either, so the Bilstein not only works better, because of its valving, it is actually the only true "bolt on" as it comes, with the most travel to suit the 100.

Just an FYI on your post, and your otyher points are only valid with 315 on standard offset rims.

I don't disbelieve you. It's just in my testing I've reached the limit. We'd luv some info, pics, and models on a better option. In Australia, you might have been playing with other options for a long time. Here. I've been it in the US...that I know of. I'd luv detailed info on other options.