Fire Extinguisher

Loober · May 27, 2019

Here is a reminder of why everyone should carry a fire extinguisher,

PLEASE Check your battery trays

Today I experienced a very scary and unfortunate event that could have ended much worse. I was on a routine trip through a local desert in socal, called Borrego Springs, in my 77 series, with my 4 year old son. We were offroading on a fairly mild trail cruising along picking through a bumpy...

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If I did not have one, the whole truck would have been lost.

A few lessons learned from my experience:

-Have it mounted in an easily accessible place, close to the driver's seat, not in some camping boxes, or where you have to go digging for it, every second counts.

-Mine was the basic 2.5lb dry powder one, and it was too small requiring me to waste time getting water while the fire made more damage. I would say a 5lb or 2-2.5lb is the minimum.

-The fire itself caused a lot of damage but the corrosive powder from the extinguisher did harm to everything around as well. Did not realize how bad that stuff is to aluminum and metals if not washed right away. The element ones seem to be the ticket, ordered one to keep in the cruiser, in addition to a standard 2.5lb.

Be prepared, I never thought it would happen to me, thankful I was somewhat prepared, as bad as it was, could have been much worse.

As an update to my incident, after 1.5 months of repairs, its back on the road. My wiring skills got a lot of practice.

AndrewHadji · May 28, 2019

you have seen mine, put the bracket between the drivers seat hump and door, its a mini fire extinguisher. Ive heard those flare type ones are great too and allow for more mounting options

Tapage · May 28, 2019

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hoser · May 28, 2019

I'm interested to see the Element Extinguisher used on a REAL car fire... not the one on their website. I'm interested in getting one but I think it would be in addition to a dry chem extinguisher.

Loober said:
Here is a reminder of why everyone should carry a fire extinguisher,

PLEASE Check your battery trays

Today I experienced a very scary and unfortunate event that could have ended much worse. I was on a routine trip through a local desert in socal, called Borrego Springs, in my 77 series, with my 4 year old son. We were offroading on a fairly mild trail cruising along picking through a bumpy...

forum.ih8mud.com

If I did not have one, the whole truck would have been lost.

A few lessons learned from my experience:

-Have it mounted in an easily accessible place, close to the driver's seat, not in some camping boxes, or where you have to go digging for it, every second counts.

-Mine was the basic 2.5lb dry powder one, and it was too small requiring me to waste time getting water while the fire made more damage. I would say a 5lb or 2-2.5lb is the minimum.

-The fire itself caused a lot of damage but the corrosive powder from the extinguisher did harm to everything around as well. Did not realize how bad that stuff is to aluminum and metals if not washed right away. The element ones seem to be the ticket, ordered one to keep in the cruiser, in addition to a standard 2.5lb.

Be prepared, I never thought it would happen to me, thankful I was somewhat prepared, as bad as it was, could have been much worse.

As an update to my incident, after 1.5 months of repairs, its back on the road. My wiring skills got a lot of practice.

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That's a nice battery tray. Details? Custom?

Loober · May 28, 2019

hoser said:
I'm interested to see the Element Extinguisher used on a REAL car fire... not the one on their website. I'm interested in getting one but I think it would be in addition to a dry chem extinguisher.

That's a nice battery tray. Details? Custom?

The tray is custom, but the boxes welded on to it, are these

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umpqua · Jun 3, 2019

Just ordered an element and magnetic holder. Hope I never need it but thanks for the lead.

Gun Runner 5 · Jun 3, 2019

umpqua said:
Just ordered an element and magnetic holder. Hope I never need it but thanks for the lead.

Did the same a couple of days ago.

c2dfj45 · Jun 3, 2019

This was the one that came with the interior I bought from the 76......I see something similar on the parts diagram from Toyota but its NLA. I'm guessing this is some standard style fire extinguisher from Europe? 2013 date on it.

Gun Runner 5 · Jun 3, 2019

Is there any

c2dfj45 said:
This was the one that came with the interior I bought from the 76......I see something similar on the parts diagram from Toyota but its NLA. I'm guessing this is some standard style fire extinguisher from Europe? 2013 date on it.
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Is there any type of pressure gauge or color coded indicator that would verify it is still good?

c2dfj45 · Jun 3, 2019

Gun Runner 5 said:
Is there any

Is there any type of pressure gauge or color coded indicator that would verify it is still good?

Nope....just a roll of the dice. It won't be going in the truck.

Gun Runner 5 · Jun 3, 2019

c2dfj45 said:
Nope....just a roll of the dice. It won't be going in the truck.

I can't really tell from your photos but I've seen in other applications where safety wire basically replaced the gauge as an indicator of charge. In theory the fire extinguisher was good if the safety wire was intact.

c2dfj45 · Jun 3, 2019

Gun Runner 5 said:
I can't really tell from your photos but I've seen in other applications where safety wire basically replaced the gauge as an indicator of charge. In theory the fire extinguisher was good if the safety wire was intact.

The white thing under the red cap prevents the cap from being deployed...it's all intact. So I'm sure it's good. No idea how long a charge on a fire extinguisher lasts. Probably a while.

Gun Runner 5 · Jun 3, 2019

If it's not exposed to extreme temperatures I would assume the charge would last quite a while but as the flames were engulfing my Land Cruiser I would hate to find out my theory was wrong.

Tapage · Jun 4, 2019

c2dfj45 said:
This was the one that came with the interior I bought from the 76......I see something similar on the parts diagram from Toyota but its NLA. I'm guessing this is some standard style fire extinguisher from Europe? 2013 date on it.
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did you got the factory bracket or have any idea how it's was hold inside the 76 .?

TonyP · Jun 4, 2019

Most fire extinguishers require a 5yr hydrostatic test. Among other inspections based on their use and filler. There are locations around the US that can perform this. Your local fire department should be able to help out.

That said, the hydro test generally costs as much as a new fire extinguisher

Again, I'm definitely not a fire extinguisher expert.

c2dfj45 · Jun 4, 2019

Tapage said:
did you got the factory bracket or have any idea how it's was hold inside the 76 .?

It came with this bracket. 4 holes. There are no corresponding mounting points on my 79's cab sheetmetal in fact as I recall, a rather large void in one of the areas.

My 73 has 4 knockouts(4 round 1" circular indentations) on the kick panel for where this would mount in that truck. I see images(drawings) of the kick panels on the parts diagrams showing the 4 holes on the kick panel. The 79 has no knockouts on its kick panels. The more I think about it though....I'm not so sure that the holes match up to this pattern on the bracket. They seemed to be perfectly spaced. I think the ones in the 76 were cut out with a hole saw or drill bit as I recall. Might have to look at that tomorrow out of curiosity. And it also reminds me that I need grey kick panels for #2's interior. Megazip will be happy to take my order I'm sure....

The 76 had a lot of stuff fitted to it...strange red waterproof button on the driver's side of the dash(we will see what it was wired to once we get into the wiring). Some kind of mic holder....misc wires behind the dash...obviously some kind of radio. I'm sure it was a standard way to equip trucks like this...Red Cross or UN or whatever they were or where they were going.

Tapage · Jun 4, 2019

I didn't see nothing like those 4 holes on my 76 ..

roscoFJ73 · Jun 5, 2019

Gun Runner 5 said:
Do you guys have fire extinguishers mounted in your 70 Series and if so could you share photos of how they are mounted? I'm also interested in what brand of fire extinguisher you chose for your application.
Thanks

I would also look into the cause of fires. If you have a diesel powered cruiser, the likelihood of fuel related fire is slim. So the cause of most fires is electrical and the quickest way to quell an electrical fire is cut off the electricity. If you spray them with fire retardant, you are only cutting off the oxygen, the best way would be to be able to shut down the electrical system with a master switch, preferably one that is not next to the batteries where fires often start.
I had a near catastrophe a few years back when some of the previous owner's dodgy electrical wiring rubbed through its plastic insulation and began shorting against the internal body panels and began to fill the cabin with smoke. Luckily I had butterfly nuts on the battery terminals and being able to disconnect the battery with my fingers quickly stopped the fire spreading. I think a master battery switch fitted to the transmission hump on the drivers side would be most beneficial. Ive seen them fitted to mine landcruisers, they have to shut down the electrical system for blasting.
While I would always recommend carrying a fire extinguisher, using one makes an incredible mess

c2dfj45 · Jun 5, 2019

Grabbed a few parts out of storage and took some pics....interesting.

Here's the 76's kick panel with the holes in it. Again....the holes in this don't mount up to anything in the truck's body. In fact, in some of the areas, there are large access holes or voids. No idea how this was mounted. Maybe a backing plate of some sorts and the extinguisher was just mounted to the kick panel? Haven't seen anything in my pile of parts or even oddball fasteners that would go to it. Might not figure this mystery out....drives me crazy. I don't think the 76's cab is different....this one has a "FJ79" stamp on the back. Looking at it again today...these aren't knockouts and they weren't drilled out...these holes were cast into the plastic.

Was able to find the correct grey later model kick panel today without the holes and it's in the Megazip basket. Airbag dash has way shorter kick panels vs. non airbag dash. Airbag dash is quite tall.

This is the stock 79 kick panel....you can see the casting marks on the backside(the cabin side has no marks). My 73 has the casting marks on the cabin side. Weird.

hoser · Jun 5, 2019

There might be an "extinguisher bracket" for that... 74712-60030 and it might even be available locally.

And there is a new version of that extinguisher, if you wanted to get crazy.