Finished 14bt Conversion into bj40. (2 Viewers)

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Hi, i thought i would share my knowledge about the conversion i just completed here in Brisbane, Australia.

I just finished putting a completely rebuilt 14bt into a 1979 BJ40 which has had a ute cab conversion + custom tray for comp use.

Engine Install:

Starting with the stock BJ mounts and h55f from a 1984 bj42 with the cast iron bell housing, i researched how i could fit the larger flywheel into my housing.
i came to the conclusion that it would be easier to machine the flywheel down to the same diameter as the earlier 3b 6 bolt flywheel.
While doing this i also noted that the flywheel is actually 6mm longer but is compensated by having a shallower crank.
Then i had the studs and bolt holes drilled and tapped into the new diameter flywheel so that the old style clutch would bolt right on to the new 8 bolt 14bt flywheel.
since the new flywheel was simular to the older style flywheel, it would fit into the cast housing without having to grind out the webbing in the housing.

I had to grab a sump pan from a 3bII as the 14bt sump had wings on it which would colide with the front tail shaft. i read somwhere here about this and it bolted right up and worked great! :cheers:

The 14bt bolted right up to the h55f and existing engine mounts with next to no problems. ONLY thing i had to modify was the battery tray on the injector pump side as it only just rubbed on the vacume pump. once the tray was modified it sat there perfectly.
I spent a day at the local truck wrecker and took every pipe and accessory off 2 sized 14b truck motors. i cleaned up all the pipes and bits and pieces and got the best of each component and they bolted right up.

Radiator used was the standard 3b radiator which i had reconditioned not long ago. thermostat housing is from a 13bt so i could run two cooler hoses to the ct26 without tapping into the heater system. i also thought that the original 14bt thermostat housing was way too tall and completely ridiculous. i used the 13bt thermostat as i read somewhere that 14bt's run cooler than the smaller b engines. i dont know the exact temp but the needle sits in the same position as the 3b did and does not move. (just above cold or around the 10:30 - 11 o'clock position)

Unfortunately for me the preheater screen was the only thing i was missing from the engine so since time was a huge factor i had to use the whole intake setup from a 13bt which i saw at the wreckers a few days eariler. fortunately it bolted right up and looks great with new blue silicone hose. also the word turbo on the boost pipe actually faces you when you open the bonnet rather than the original 14bt black boost pipe.

I used a 13bt (12v) alternator that i got reconditioned and removed the vacume pump from the back of it so that i could use the pump that was already on the engine. now i have a splined shaft hanging out the back of the alternator which i may be able to use for something in the future.
Since the engine was previously from a truck it was 24volt but i was able to use the original 3b starter motor, but had to change the fuel solinoid in the injector pump as it was 24v. easily fixed by grabbing one out of a 3bII (12v) at the wreckers.

Powersteering lines hooked right up to my reciently finished 80 series powersteering conversion, very happy with as the original truck powersteering pressure line, it was long enough to go straight into the box.

I am about to get the engine dyno tuned with a boost tap put into the wastegate line and the injector tip holes made bigger?. The diesel mechanic swears he can get 150 - 160hp out of it at around 12-13psi boost which sounds mighty impressive.

Some intresting facts: @100km/h in 5th gear with 4:11 diffs the engine sits at the same rpm (around 2800) as the 3b did (obviously) but it much prefers 110km/h especially when running the 33" tyres. no idea why?
I drove 380km south from Brisbane to Maclean with a boat on the back and used 35 odd litres. You do the maths. The highway incorperated many hills and ranges to climb up and down and the 14bt went like it was made for this application.

I have noticed that running stock boost (7-8-9psi if im correct) it produces most of its power at 2500 - 3000 rpm unlike the 13bt which had power until around 3700.
But the 14bt has unbelieveable torque and even with the boat on the back i can cruise around town easily in 4th + 5th gears.

This conversion was definately very straight forward and easy to do. i noticed that 14bt's were not very common but its non turbo version 14b out of dyna trucks was extremely common and almost every part i interchanged was the same other than the turbo and injectors and everything thats associated with these components.
b, 2b, 3b, 4b, and all the jap versions, 13b and 13bt parts also fit and some were used where i needed them.

One question i wanted to ask was, if anyone knows how to stop the left hand side engine mount (injector pump side) ripping in half could you please share your knowledge. I forgot to mention above that i am using the stock engine mounts and i have found out the hard way that they cant handle the power and torque.

I am also looking to do some mods to the engine to gain small power and torque increases, so if anyone knows any cheap and easy secrets could you please share:). But my main priority is running a larger than stock exhaust and putting in my new air box which i grabbed off a 60 series cruiser with a 2h in it, in so that it can breathe freely on both ends. after that its a water to air intercooler to keep the egt down low and increase performance and that will just about do it for the engine side of things.

Overall the 14bt is a fantastic engine to convert into a 40 series and shouldnt be overlooked as it is extremely overbuilt.

I will post a few photos up once i get my camera back.

Cheers, James
 
less talking

more cruiser porn :)
 
are a chinese option or ar Toyota Mounts . ?

anycase after many aftermarket mounts I end buying the Toyota one ( pretty expensive here .. around 120 bucks vs 20 bucks on aftermaket ones ) and chained it with a little chain that fits and hold it .. not using it very tight ..
 
here are some photos of the conversion.

also one there of the 80 series powersteering conversion which i finished not long ago. i upgraded from the factory bj42 powersteering and it made a world of difference eliminating the idler joint up next to the winch. now it doesnt wander all over the road with large tires on and feels much more safe.
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are a chinese option or ar Toyota Mounts . ?

anycase after many aftermarket mounts I end buying the Toyota one ( pretty expensive here .. around 120 bucks vs 20 bucks on aftermaket ones ) and chained it with a little chain that fits and hold it .. not using it very tight ..

Tapage,
i do have a set of small chains made up but im not so sure it will be good for the engine/chassis when at full noise becase of the direct metal to metal join when fully stretched?

i was thinking about a bolt going right through with rubber mounting on the top - middle and underneath of the bolt if you know what i mean?

anyway if i find a solution i will definately share

:cheers:
 
I see the chains as cheap limiting straps to hold the engine uptravel .. off course you can do with straps .. customs and sure it would be better than chains .. ( more soft )
 
i agree, chain it so that it can not go past the max you want for travel.
sounds liek a straight forward install
looks stock, congrates.
 
I would still try and find some good engine mounts though
 
Dumb question, I know what a 13bt is, but what's a 14bt? (and what were they originally in?)

thought in a Dyna truck I never see one in person ( hope I can ) .. are awesome engines those 14B .. buddy had one in his 40 time ago ..
 
14bt is a 3.6L version of the 13bt. its a much more solid block and contains some minor changes from its older versions. currently i am actually using a 13bt turbo which was rebuilt for a 13bt on it. i hooked in a boost gauge this weekend and found its running 7psi. Im looking at a turbo boost controller tap which cuts into the actuator pipe on ebay. hopefully this will lift it up to around 12-13psi when i tip a bit more fuel into it.


the 14b non turbo engine is so common here they are ridicusly cheap. as i said above i got nearly two complete 14b's that were siezed just for the parts and paid $100aus for the lot. just to put it into some frame, i rebuult the 14bt (shown above) from start to finish with new bearings sleeves seals rings pistons etc for $3600aus. price included the wrecked 14bt to start with, injectors and pump rebuilt and phased, but that was not including the rebuilt turbo. ct26 rebuild was nasty at $1500, so im about to install a pyro to make sure it will not cook! i do have a 13bt manifold and a used ct26 sitting around though if anyone is interested!

even at 7psi this engine is bloody unbelieveable. i can spin all four wheels in a dry grassy field in 2nd gear HR. in 2wd i can spin the wheels in 3rd HR no problems.

i think i might go with the chains on the mounts after i try the stock dyna mounts i picked up from a mate. they look very simular but are twice as meaty and incorperate a metal hook which do the same job as the chains.. hopefully they will go in nicely with only a few slight mods.



ran into a small drama bleeding the fuel this weekend. does anyone know where the bleed screw is on the rotary pump? i got so frustraited i went out and bought an inline electronic fuel pump so that it had constant pressure into the injector pump. this seemed to solve my problem. but i am still very ineterested to find this bleed screw:bang:?

cheers jw
 
sorry enigma. 14bt i believe was in some landcruisers but not in australia. but i believe they come out of toyota dyna trucks. must be just before the 15b/t came out. any engine supplier here can get you one in 1-2 weeks if they do not have one in stock. mine was from japan so im asuming by the black intake pipe it had going into the front of the turbo and back across to the injector pump side into some sort of air box, it was out of a truck.
 
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ran into a small drama bleeding the fuel this weekend. does anyone know where the bleed screw is on the rotary pump? i got so frustraited i went out and bought an inline electronic fuel pump so that it had constant pressure into the injector pump. this seemed to solve my problem. but i am still very ineterested to find this bleed screw:bang:?

cheers jw

Hi jw

I think your 3.6L 14BT is supposed to run with a "fuel-return line" back to the fuel tank (unlike your original 3L B-engine).

With such a return line, I believe your rotary pump would automatically purge air bubbles back to your tank. (No need for a bleed screw.)

So are you running a return line with your 14BT?

:cheers:
 
ahh! im actually running the return line back into the fuel line with a Y piece. that would make sense that the air cannot excape and is reserculating back into the pump. gee thanks for your help! you dont happen to know where the fuel screw is while were on the topic of rotary injector pumps? i want to increase the fuel
 
rear of the pump ... block side
10 or 12 mm lock nut with flat screw...

kind of a PITA to get to.
 
It is really hard to work on the fueling in the 14bt..Wayne do you have a special tool for that?
 
i bent up the wrench to make it work using the box end and a small flat screw driver up the middle, crack the lock screw 1/2 turn and hold steady, turn the screw with the screw driver, hold screw driver tight and lock the locking nut.
done
 
are a chinese option or ar Toyota Mounts . ?

anycase after many aftermarket mounts I end buying the Toyota one ( pretty expensive here .. around 120 bucks vs 20 bucks on aftermaket ones ) and chained it with a little chain that fits and hold it .. not using it very tight ..
i went through 3 china ones in my ol fj75 and the 3rd had welded 2 bolts to it with slack befor the nut etc then went genuine and broke no more
 
crushers, i amped up the fuel and it goes much much better. still only running 7psi boost so might be a bit under powered but s*** does it go. the question i wanted to ask is, is if unhealthy to run too much black smoke. while driving responsibily, the exhaust is clear but when i give it a punch it blows a fair bit of smoke. will i crack a head or anyhing at this boost pressure..
cheers james
 

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