Builds DRKDSS 2021 LC200 build thread. (2 Viewers)

[drkdss]

Added some TC cam gussets! Also a couple layers of Steel-it.

I’ll be cycling the suspension this sat and figuring out the end links to allow the kdss sway bar to bolt to the TC oem replacement Tundra Arms. Sway bar is pretty close to the 3.0s on the driver side so I’m probably going to have to clearance 2-3mm’s on the end of the sway bar.

 

[FJRanger]

Excited to see what you come up with.

 

[BrennMan]

Oh boy, I’m all in on this party. Just spent the week in Moab and didn’t realize how much I would like 40-50mph on rolling 2track. This seems like the ultimate 200 series front end.

 

[drkdss]

I’m going to add 1/2 spacer to the rear bump stops. Reasons is with these 34.8” tires at full bump it’s about 1/32 away from top on the inner wheel wheel. That’s space is going to fill for sure when go airborne with this ( body mount bushings will squish) So just trying to limit the contact . It will prob still kiss it.

Also as you can see. We got just enough room for the bolt on trac bar correct kit I’m going to be making for us.

3.0 king coil over is full bump. But since the arms arms setup different the LC arms I will have to make some spacers for the oem bump stops.

And last pic you can see the cv boots is about to touch the arm

 

[turbo8]

Ouch, so TC Tundra lower arms won't allow full travel. Looks like an inch or two of lost compression travel. So the upper uniball bolt contact with inner fender won't matter.


Check @TeCKis300 suspension travel thread and post your numbers.

 

[nwfl4runner]

that’s crazy to bind with that much travel remaining - gonna cut and box the arm? I’d imagine a 2” .120 tube section could give you a cup for the CV.

 

[TeCKis300]

Ouch, so TC Tundra lower arms won't allow full travel. Looks like an inch or two of lost compression travel. So the upper uniball bolt contact with inner fender won't matter.


Check @TeCKis300 suspension travel thread and post your numbers.

Definitely would be interesting to compare numbers. @1UZJ80N60 also ran tundra Camburg arms and got something like 12" travel from his setup with AHC shocks. This might show even more.

Been meaning to do this to get some objective numbers to compare ride height versus droop travel versus compression travel. What better to do on a rainy day.

Hope is that others may contribute and I'll update my table. We've known for awhile that some aftermarket suspensions increase what is already excellent droop travel. OEM spacer added to an otherwise stock LC or LX suspension increases travel at the front. Even though LC and LX differ in suspension fitted, the overall geometry and travel should be very similar or exactly the same.

All measurements are from wheel center to fender lip so they are comparable without tire variables

	Front Measured Ride Height	Front Measured Max Compression	Front Measured Max Droop	Front Compression /Droop Travel	Front Total Travel	Rear Measured Ride Height	Rear Measured Max Compression	Rear Measured Max Droop	Rear Compression /Droop Travel	Rear Total Travel
LX stock	N-19" H-21"	*16"	24.5"	N-3.5"/5.5" H-5.5"/3.5"	*8.5" or ~9"	N-20.75" H-23.1"	-	26.63"	N-4.12"/5.88" H-6.5"/3.5"	~10"
LX - .75F/.5R Sensor Lift, OEM Front Spacer @TeCKis300	N-19.8" H-21.8"	*16"	25.375"	N-4.4"/5.6" H-6.4"/3.6"	*9.4" or ~10"	N-21.25" H-23.63"	*17.5"	26.63"	N-4.6"/5.4" H-7"/3.0"	*9.1" or ~10"
LX AHC Long Travel - 1.5F/1R Sensor Lift, LC OEM Spacer (10mm) + stacked 6.5mm spacer, 1" extended AHC shocks	N-20.75" H-22.75"	*16"	25.75"	N-5"/5.5" H-7"/3.5"	10.5"	N-22" H-24.35"	*17.5"	27.375"	N-5.12"/5.88" H-7.5"/3.4"	11"
LX, AHC delete, Tundra arms, Kings suspension @turbo8	23"	14.5"	26"	8.5"/3"	~11.5"	23.5"		27.5"	5.5"/4"	~10.5"
LC, Tundra arms, Stock shocks, OME 440lb spring @WesSiler	-				~11"					~10"
LX AHC, 30mm shock spacer, Long Travel Camburg arms @1UZJ80N60			29"		12"

*Measured, Not Maxed Out​

Cross checking my measurements, it's reported that that the 200 chassis has 9" front and 10" wheel travel. About right given that I could mostly bottom things out but not hard bottom out. Particularly the rear as the chassis is just so slinky that my jack wasn't able to fully flex it out.

Looking at the numbers, the OEM setup has ride height dialed in with relatively little compressing travel. Compared to the stupendous droop travel. Stock ride height has 3" compression and 5.5" droop at the front. In general chassis tuning guides, it's recommended to always leave a good amount of droop travel. Doesn't seem like the 200 chassis is going to have that problem even lifted high.

Stuffed the fronts pretty good. Using AHC low to make the suspension as slinky as possible. Fingers gap clearances, but stuffing 35s she does.
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Was on the stops but not hard so and there's a bit more travel.
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Rear, wasn't able to fully peg it out with my floor jack.View attachment 2489905
Looks like another 1"++ travel here to the bump stop that I couldn't tap out
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The interesting measurements should come front aftermarket suspensions and Tundra swaps. @bloc @WesSiler @mcgaskins I'm going to keep a tape measure in the rig so next time I'm out and have opportunities to bottom things out to take a measurement.

 

[turbo8]

Definitely would be interesting to compare numbers. @1UZJ80N60 also ran tundra Camburg arms and got something like 12" travel from his setup with AHC shocks. This might show even more.

I believe @1UZJ80iN60 is actually running the long travel version of the Tundra arms. This would be something like +5.5" wider per side than stock 200 series.

 

[drkdss]

Ouch, so TC Tundra lower arms won't allow full travel. Looks like an inch or two of lost compression travel. So the upper uniball bolt contact with inner fender won't matter.


Check @TeCKis300 suspension travel thread and post your numbers.

But it’s not even just the arm. The 3.0 king is the same king shock that camburg would use. Nothing different. At full bump or with 1/8 of shaft showing that how much space there is to the oem bumps.

 

[drkdss]

that’s crazy to bind with that much travel remaining - gonna cut and box the arm? I’d imagine a 2” .120 tube section could give you a cup for the CV.

But there’s no more travel in the 3.0 king shock. It’s the same shock that camburg uses too. I just hav the shock out in the picture as we were getting ready to tac up some end links.

As for the end links , it’s like I have to run the driver side link on the outside and the passenger link on inside lol. I’m going to explore a billet adapter after I get it rolling around and test some things out.

 

[turbo8]

But it’s not even just the arm. The 3.0 king is the same king shock that camburg would use. Nothing different. At full bump or with 1/8 of shaft showing that how much space there is to the oem bumps.

You took the bump stop off the king shock?

 

[drkdss]

yes took the foam shaft bump off. That’s why I’m like wtf. I know for sure it’s the same shocks because usual king shock will use total chaos to make the shocks and then once it’s dialed they allow everyone else to use the same shock. Only thing specific to TC kings would be their tune in the shocks.

You took the bump stop off the king shock?

 

[drkdss]

I believe @1UZJ80iN60 is actually running the long travel version of the Tundra arms. This would be something like +5.5" wider per side than stock 200 series.

Lol I wanted to do this but same time I want to keep this one looking stock some what so I didn’t want to dive into the whole custom glass route. One day maybe

 

[turbo8]

I know my kings don't bottom out first.

Can you measure where the lower shock mount is in relation to the inner pivot point on the TC arms?
Stock tundra arms are about 12.125"

 

[drkdss]

I will for sur

I know my kings don't bottom out first.

Can you measure where the lower shock mount is in relation to the inner pivot point on the TC arms?
Stock tundra arms are about 12.125"

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I will for sure. I’ll be back at the shop later this week and grab that for us. I’d imagine it’s at the same spot. I’m pretty tied in with TC and when they design the arms the design them off stock arms for sure.

Wait so on your setup with kings if it’s not bottoming first what is ?

The tire combo I have 285/75/18 the tires are for sure all up in the fender liner. I’m for sure going to rip those off on the field !

 

[turbo8]

I will for sur

I will for sure. I’ll be back at the shop later this week and grab that for us. I’d imagine it’s at the same spot. I’m pretty tied in with TC and when they design the arms the design them off stock arms for sure.

Wait so on your setup with kings if it’s not bottoming first what is ?

The tire combo I have 285/75/18 the tires are for sure all up in the fender liner. I’m for sure going to rip those off on the field !

My king bump stops and the inner fender well.

I know the shock isn't in the picture, but afterwards the travel indicator o-ring on the king bump was bottomed out after hard hits. The o-ring has now been destroyed.

I'll check CV clearance in a couple weeks when I put in RCV axles.

 

[empty80]

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Also as you can see. We got just enough room for the bolt on trac bar correct kit I’m going to be making for us.

I believe on the Lexus axles, the rear stabilizer bar mounts with threaded holes underneath the panhard mounting bracket. Has that been factored into the BOTCK design, or will this be a Toyota only (KDSS equipped) design?

 

[drkdss]

I believe on the Lexus axles, the rear stabilizer bar mounts with threaded holes underneath the panhard mounting bracket. Has that been factored into the BOTCK design, or will this be a Toyota only (KDSS equipped) design?

i will need to look at that. Do you have a picture? I can see thread holes for sure on the bottom of oem mount.

I bet you we can still bolt it similar to that off of the bracket I’m making. And then I’m just guessing that we can space out on the left side.

 

[empty80]

i will need to look at that. Do you have a picture? I can see thread holes for sure on the bottom of oem mount.

I bet you we can still bolt it similar to that off of the bracket I’m making. And then I’m just guessing that we can space out on the left side.

Here’s what I have. One of the Lexus guys may be able to do a bit better.

 

[nwfl4runner]

Now I’m interested why you have a shiny new axle housing lying around…