Do-it-all 33" Tires for LC/LX - Data Analysis Version (1 Viewer)

[bloc]

Which at3’s do you have? Did you base what you expected their heavy rain performance would be on “logic” of having deep wide tread…or on some 3rd party testing?

I’m interested in tires that excel in heavy rain-that’s mostly when I drive my lx570. I’d also like something that doesn’t over tax the suspension.

I have LT load C AT3s. I’m just going on observation from many different vehicles over the years with many types of tires, and these tires surprising me with what they can do to avoid hydroplaning. And a direct comparison to the 2yr old p-metric AT2s before them.

In my head at least, it’s a combination of deep grooves between lugs, as well as siping on those lugs, which most MTs lack. Compound is certainly a big factor as well.

As for width, my understanding is a narrower tire will increase contact pressure and help with things like rain or certain depths of snow above gravel/pavement. Perhaps one of the 275 or even 265 section widths would treat you well.

 

[bloc]

According to TireRack Editor’s review, AT3 LT E may not have the best rain traction: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=275

Toyo Open Country A/T III (On-/Off-Road All-Terrain, LT265/70R17 E 121/118S)

• What We Liked: The steering feels natural and it's quite good in the snow.
• What We'd Improve: It's loud on the road and needs a substantial increase in wet traction.
• Conclusion: A good option that could use some on-road refinement.

IMO, tread depth is not really a plus in terms of rain performance. Otherwise, ATs & MTs would outperform all highway tires in wet weather because all of them have greater tread depth than highway tires. This is obviously not true. Michelin Defenders have shallow tread depth yet perform admirably in rain, probably better than any AT.

All of this is why I was specific to say heavy rain. There are different needs when it is merely wet pavement vs a puddle of standing water, and my albeit anecdotal experience has backed this up.

 

[Itsky]

You're asking for 10-20% increase in mpg. This is unreasonable even if you mounted up the hardest of HT tires. 380 miles on 20gals is 19mpg...200s just don't get that economy reliably. The most direct way to get more range is to add a jerry can. A single one will bump your range over your requested 380mi.

agree that 19mpg reliably is not gonna happen, but I think 17.5 mpg (20 x 17.5 = 350) is possible. I think the 285/70/17 Michelin defender ltx and the p rated ATs I lisTed would do it. Not sure I want to give up a more aggressive AT though.

here are my last trip tanks, fully loaded with family of 4, 15 gallons of water, fridge goal zero lithium 1000, etc. I’m currently sitting in Olympic national park, having had some good tanks on 92 octane and slow speeds due to a s*** load of rain snow. On todays drive from Multnoma falls up to forks, there was a bunch of snow and we saw more than 20 cars off the road. My well worn bfgs have been doing well!

Trip to park city Utah,

- 2/21/22, M: 265.965, G: 17.89, MPG: 14.87

- 2/21/22, M: 173.25, G: 10.8, MPG: 16.04

- 2/23/22, M: 308.175, G: 19.9, MPG: 15.49

- 2/25/22, M: 278.25, G: 18.6, MPG: 14.96

- 2/25/22, M: 297.36, G: 18.1, MPG: 16.43

- 3/1/22, M: 152.46, G: 7.99, MPG: 19.08

- 3/19/22, M: 237.615, G: 16.2, MPG: 14.67

- 3/28/22, M: 303.345, G: 19.4, MPG: 15.64

- 4/9/22, M: 212.1, G: 15.1, MPG: 14.05



Washington trip

- 4/10/22, M: 190.05, G: 14.1, MPG: 13.48; $6.26, STRONG headwinds

- 4/10/22, M: 324.45, G: 18.9, MPG: 17.17, $4.84

- 4/11/22, M: 298.725, G: 17.25, MPG: 17.32, $5.10

 

[Zjohnsonua]

There is one tire spec that may truly play in here, and it hasn't been mentioned. That's treadwear rating. If mileage is the main goal, get the highest you can find. These tires will have hard compounds that don't do very well off road though.

That mileage looks pretty good considering you're loaded and traveling through mountains. My advice for hitting 17-18mpg is to stick to 60-65 mph and accelerate slowly. It won't happen consistently, but you'll see it from time to time.

 

[CanadianRockyCruiser]

A newcomer to the block is the Nokian Outpost AT. On paper it sounds like a good fit for your needs and comes in 285/70r17 (both LT and P sizes). Has a lot going for it and being 3 peak rated should do well in the snow. Just not a lot of user reviews out yet.

Nokian Tyres Outpost AT - EXTEND YOUR ADVENTURE / Nokian Tires

The NOKIAN TYRES Outpost AT offers supreme traction in all conditions, extreme durability and puncture resistance, and increased service life so drivers can extend their terrain, toughness and travel.

www.nokiantires.com

I have nothing but good things to say about Nokians. I bought the Rotiiva's as my "summer" tires, and the Hakkapellitta's as my "winters". Both are great. I'm sure the Outpost is a great AT option if you want a more aggressive tread.

 

[TLC2013]

I have nothing but good things to say about Nokians. I bought the Rotiiva's as my "summer" tires, and the Hakkapellitta's as my "winters". Both are great. I'm sure the Outpost is a great AT option if you want a more aggressive tread.

@Bomar , let us know how the Outpost AT work out. Looking forward to hearing some reviews especially on the 200.

Do-it-all 33" Tires for LC/LX - Data Analysis Version

I can speak to limited tires I've driven on this rig (five?), these RT are soft. Both to hand and feel from wheel. They're new too, so could change over time with use. We'll see if they chunk. Can't speak for other models/brands.

forum.ih8mud.com

 

[Itsky]

@Bomar , let us know how the Outpost AT work out. Looking forward to hearing some reviews especially on the 200.

Do-it-all 33" Tires for LC/LX - Data Analysis Version

I can speak to limited tires I've driven on this rig (five?), these RT are soft. Both to hand and feel from wheel. They're new too, so could change over time with use. We'll see if they chunk. Can't speak for other models/brands.

forum.ih8mud.com

Same. Can’t wait to hear!

 

[Bomar]

At @TLC2013 and @Itsky installing today.

It is rainy so great first day to use them.

 

[Bomar]

Wife loves them in the rainy drive home.

LT275/60R20 replaced LT285/60R20 Ridges that were too loud for my liking. Ran for about 12k

 

[Madtiger]

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Wife loves them in the rainy drive home.

LT275/60R20 replaced LT285/60R20 Ridges that were too loud for my liking. Ran for about 12k

how many plies in sidewall?

 

[Bomar]

how many plies in sidewall?

 

[TLC2013]

Looks great @Bomar . what does the tread width measure on the 275s?

 

[Itsky]

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Those looks amazing, super beefy! I look to forward to hearing more about how they ride. Where online can I find the specs (including weight)? Thanks!

 

[TLC2013]

Those looks amazing, super beefy! I look to forward to hearing more about how they ride. Where online can I find the specs (including weight)? Thanks!

Weights are light for LT sizes.
Page 34 of the below link has the specs for the Nokian Outpost

https://dc602r66yb2n9.cloudfront.net/pub/web/2022+Product+Guide+web+020722.pdf

 

[tbutler]

@Itsky Did you make a tire purchase yet? I"m interested to hear what you're rolling.

Personally, I'm a fan of the MIchelin's (both the Defender and the A/T2s). I know they're not very sexy, but they do meet all of my requirements. I ran the A/T2's on my previous Tundra's and they were great.

 

[Itsky]

@Itsky Did you make a tire purchase yet? I"m interested to hear what you're rolling.

Personally, I'm a fan of the MIchelin's (both the Defender and the A/T2s). I know they're not very sexy, but they do meet all of my requirements. I ran the A/T2's on my previous Tundra's and they were great.

I'm still running my 285/70/17 BFG AT KO2 LT-C, but they are getting old and it's time. Just returned from a 2,400 mile road trip to Oregon and Washington that included so much rain and daily snow. Even though they performed great and returned good MPG they are worn, it's time.

 

[AnyMal]

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Wife loves them in the rainy drive home.

LT275/60R20 replaced LT285/60R20 Ridges that were too loud for my liking. Ran for about 12k

Good looking 20s there. Did you by any chance weigh* the setup?

 

[TeCKis300]

I'm still running my 285/70/17 BFG AT KO2 LT-C, but they are getting old and it's time. Just returned from a 2,400 mile road trip to Oregon and Washington that included so much rain and daily snow. Even though they performed great and returned good MPG they are worn, it's time.

If you were closer, I'd lend you this set of wheels/tires just to give her a whirl and get some data. I got the full set off a Tundra owner for a song, and they're sitting for the moment until I get my off-road trailer project going. I'm half tempted to throw them on my own rig if only for kicks. Wouldn't really be useful data as I'm re-geared, but could be interesting.

 

[Itsky]

If you were closer, I'd lend you this set of wheels/tires just to give her a whirl and get some data. I got the full set off a Tundra owner for a song, and they're sitting for the moment until I get my off-road trailer project going. I'm half tempted to throw them on my own rig if only for kicks. Wouldn't really be useful data as I'm re-geared, but could be interesting.

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I love those wheels and have looked at them on Craigslist recently, funny that you mention it! Appreciate the thought!

I’d love to be able to test some others, but sort of impossible as tires are expensive and last quite awhile.

For some additional data, here is my range and mpg details for my PNW trip, loaded with fam and gear with nothing on the roof.
Washington trip

- 4/10/22, M: 190.05, G: 14.1, MPG: 13.48; $6.26, headwinds

- 4/10/22, M: 324.45, G: 18.9, MPG: 17.17, $4.84

- 4/11/22, M: 298.725, G: 17.25, MPG: 17.32, $5.10

- 4/12/22, M: 242.865, G: 14, MPG: 17.35, $4.99, forks wa

- 4/14/22, M: 233.1, G: 14.6, MPG: 15.97

- 4/17/22, M: 142.8, G: 9.2, MPG: 15.52, $4.96, (San Juan island)

- 4/17/22, M: 132.615, G: 7.5, MPG: 17.68

- 4/18/22, M: 338.52, G: 19.3, MPG: 17.54

- 4/18/22, M: 347.97, G: 20.2, MPG: 17.23

 

[Bomar]

Good looking 20s there. Did you by any chance weight the setup?

No I didn't.

They are I think 54lbs per the spec sheet above linked.

I knew they were less plus 18/32 in tread. Nokian makes a great tire.

The sidewall warranty was a big thing for me and I have a friend that works for them and the tests they put it through sounded impressive. More than I will do in this truck.

I am trying to get another set for my 100 series but size is on back order