Diesel Cruiser Stranded at 12,000 ft

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Well, I'm in a pickle. My BJ42 is at a trailhead in the mountains of Colorado, where it now refuses to start. And I think (though I hope I am wrong) that it is not just that I am stupid and can't start a diesel.

Here is the (lengthy) back story. Hopefully there will be some clues in here that will allow some helpful reader out there diagnose what is wrong so that I can get my Cruiser back home under her own power.

When I got the BJ42 about 2 months ago, I had a Cruiser specialist in MN look her over. He did a lot to the front end, the full extent of which I do not know. Most importantly, however, he replaced the fuel pump diaphragm. This (and whatever adjustments he made afterward) allowed the cruiser to idle at a lovely 500 rpms, instead of the ridiculous 2000+ rpms it had been idling at before. After that, it started without fail after glowing for about 10 sec until about a week ago, when it began to need a little more finesse. I found that just a little throttle would keep it going until the engine warmed up (10-20 sec), after which it still ran like a dream. I assumed this just meant the diaphragm was "settling in" and didn't think any more of it.

I probably drove the BJ42 about a dozen times on paved roads until this lovely past Sunday, when I set out to take her on her first jaunt off road. This was a test run. Next weekend, I planned to use the cruiser to get to a hard-to-access trailhead far from home. I figured it would be good to try it out closer to home first. Good thing I did.

The cruiser performed great off road. Do to my lack of experience on technical roads, I stalled it 2 or 3 times during the course of the day. I just couldn't get to the clutch fast enough when I realized I wasn't going to make it over some obstacle and needed to abort. A few hours into the drive I even managed to capture some cruiser eye-candy with my phone:

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At the ~4 hour point, I was at 11,500 ft crawling up a rocky road. When I stopped at an overlook, I noticed that the Cruiser was idling high, 1000 rpm on the dot. I blithely chalked this up to the thin air (with the encouragement of a fellow 4x4er admiring the rig) and continued to crawl up the last 500' of elevation to my desired trail head. I stalled it one last time in that interim. Being good and warm, she started right up and got me to the trail head.

I then did what I fear may make many of the readers on this site cringe: I left her. I left the Cruiser overnight. The whole reason I acquired this rig is so that I can use it to get to heard to reach trail heads, from which I can hoof it many more miles to places where people don't commonly go. In retrospect, it was perhaps silly to do this on a "test" run. But I did it. I camped in the wilderness and got back to my beloved cruiser some 24 hours later. As though she blamed me for leaving her alone in the mountains overnight, she refused to start.

My normal prescription on the first try (10-15 sec glow, throttle button pulled out just a bit) did nothing. It wasn't the battery. The engine turned over and over and over. So I tried glowing longer. Still nothing. I tried pulling the throttle out more. Still nothing. I looked at the fuel gauge: It reported nearly full.

At this point, I flagged down a Jeep passing by. The Cruiser was tilted slightly to the left as I had her parked, maybe 5 degrees (10 max). I thought maybe this was the issue, so I had the guys push her to where the front was pointing up. Still nothing. The guys reported lots of black smoke coming out of the tailpipe as I turned the engine over.

In desperation, I tried turning it over with the gas pedal pushed to the floor. It made no difference. In fact, I think this is the most telling clue: the amount of throttle I am giving the engine makes no change in the sound of the engine turning over. After a few more desperate attempts, with lots of glowing and various amounts of throttle, I gave up and caught a ride home with the guys that stopped.

It would cost loads to get the Cruiser towed out of there. Is there something obviously wrong that I (or some kind soul from the local Cruiser club) could fix if I get someone to take me back up there? If anyone knows what might be wrong, please tell me.

(P.s. I should mention, if I haven't already made it obvious, that I am very new to both Cruisers and diesel engines. I have not done anything but basic maintenance on cars up to this point. I am mechanically inclined (engineer), but I haven't learned the details of how carbureted diesel engines work. Consequently, I may need some patient explaining.)
 
x2 with getting it out of there as from what I can see it is an LX.
 
It is :/ I'll see if I can track down someone in the local Cruiser club tomorrow who might go up and take a shot at getting it started. If I can't find one, I'll start calling towing companies to see who has a tow truck that could get up there.
 
I am no mechanic by any stretch of the imagination but did you mechanic do anything with the fuel pump on her as a diesel does not have a carburetor.
 
It could be numerous things.
Your glow plugs may not be glowing and at that alt the engine wont fire without the help of the glow plugs.
Check the vacuum hose that goes from the venturi (carb but not a carb)down to the IP (injection pump) if is is leaking or has come off this will cause your Cruiser not to start .
Was the mechanic who did the diaphragm knowledgeable on Landcruiser IPs...I would check that the cover is still bolted up tight and that your fuel adjustment screw did not back off...usually the fuel adjustment screw is wired so this wont happen.
Check for fuel delivery by loosening the fuel line at any of the injectors usually the #1 injector to see if fuel is at the injectors while cranking.
Check your EDIC is working the rod that goes from the EDIC to the IP has three positions Off-Run-Over Fuel when you crank the engine it should be in overfuel when it starts it will position to run and when you turn off the ignition it will position to the off position this cuts off the fuel supply.
Black smoke at that Alt would be normal lack of air to fuel and cold cylinders while cranking I would not be concerned at this point.
 
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Can you get stuff like aerostart or start ya bastard over there? It's an ether aerosol. Give a couple of whiffs ( a couple of squirts of half a second) into the intake (after the air filter) whilst cranking and DO NOT use the glow plugs at all. If nothing happens, it must have lost compression or something. If it fires, or attempts to do so, you've got a fuel delivery issue, and if it starts and runs, then that's great!
These old Toyota diesels are pretty bulletproof, and not rocket-science. Unless it's a major mechanical failure, it won't be hard to fix, and also X2 on not leaving it there. I don't know about over there, but around these parts, abandoned vehicles usually get torched.
 
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If you can get a kind soul from the local cruiser club to give you a lift up there, why do you need a tow truck to get you back? If you can be towed, winched, nudged into a downhill position maybe you can get to a lower altitude where the engine will start.

PS if you get towed by a Jeep, we don´t wanna know.
 
Is it worth checking fuel delivery to the injectors? Air in the lines? I've had issues with the water seperator on the frame rail letting air in the system causing the cruiser not to start. After by-passing this and cracking each injector while cranking (impossible to do on your own as far as I can figure) until fuel comes If you have a slight decline where its safe, could you try and clutch start it after disconnecting the edic rod? You'd be best trying to glow it 10-20secs before trying to roll start it.
 
If there´s loads of black smoke then is it likely to be a fuel problem?
Hopefully this is just a result of the altitude and relocating it further down if you can should help. The bump start and easy start are good ideas - tho I like the Australian name for it better. Brake cleaner works just as well, tho a drop of petrol (gasoline) is kinder on your engine. Don´t put your face in there or overdo it unless you like getting all toasty
 
Mate I would disconnect the edic rod to the fuel pump and glow and start the beast. The edic is bolted to the engine and has a rod going to the fuel pump pull the clip and rod and the engine will run unless its had a major engine failure. Once the engine get you home you will need to stall the engine to stop it or pop the hood and push the lever forward towards the radiator to shut it down manually.
 
All good advice here. One more thing is don't trust a fuel gauge unless you are sure of it. They have a nasty habit of failing from just sitting there. Verify your tank has fuel however if your puffy black that's probably not going to be the issue.
 
If there´s loads of black smoke then is it likely to be a fuel problem?
No, I don't think so, I think it's more likely due to the high attitude and the N/A 3B having difficulty getting oxygen.

Yeah, SYB is a brand name, but pretty much, that's what that sort of stuff is referred to as over here now that the brand has caught on. They also do a bottle opener...:D
 
The high altitude will lower the compression and make it harder to start especially if the engine has a few Ks. Toyota released a geared starter around 1980 that helped with starting at altitude noT sure if the op is running the later starter or not but start ya bastard or ether should get it going if the electrical side is working OK.
 
I'm in Colorado and am familiar with 3b diesels. Pm me and let's see if we can get you figured out.
 
Once the rod is released it will be in start position. The fuel pump has 3 positions middle is run position pull the lever back 1/4 inch and that is rich fuel for starting and push the lever 3/4 inch forward is for shutdown.
 
I'm not sure I would put it in start position... Sounds like he may be way too rich (high idle) and that may be why he can't start. If anything, especially at that altitude, he should be leaning out the fuel to get a better combustion. At 12000 feet he only had 50% of the oxygen as at sea level.
 
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I think BreckenridgeCruiser may be onto it. The over-rich hypothesis explains the high idle, the black smoke, and perhaps the reason changing the throttle makes no difference in the sound of it starting (I'm guessing that once the mixture is too rich, the sound will be the same whether it's a little too rich or way too rich.) Non-working glow plugs also seems like a good hypothesis. I'll take a can of starter-stuff up there too and, if that doesn't work, try disconnecting the EDIC and manually setting its position at the fuel pump.

Hopefully Breckenridge and I can get up there today or tomorrow to take another crack and getting her started and out of there under her own power. If a second attempt at starting fails, or if I can't get back up there before this weekend when loads of 4x4ers will drive through, I'll have her towed.
 
If Kraig is tied up I'm sure someone else from Rising Sun will be able to step up and help you out! If it's anywhere close to Denver or Boulder you'll be in luck! Sorry but I am out of the state currently or else I would try and help!
 

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