Diesel Cruiser Stranded at 12,000 ft

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I believe it boils down to your original description after your mechanic worked on it, and it then took 10 seconds of glow to start. To me, thats way too much glow time. Your issue seems to be fuel delivery related, with a secondary possibility being ignition related.

One way to isolate the prob is to use ether (starting fluid). If it cranks right up, runs just a tad, and then dies, fuel delivery is most likely the culprit. If it does nothing, it could be one or both issues.

I would certianly get your FJ off the trail. While I have found here in Co that most folks respect camping gear/cars/trucks left alone, there are folks everywhere that will take advantage of it
 
Well, I'm in a pickle. My BJ42 is at a trailhead in the mountains of Colorado, where it now refuses to start. And I think (though I hope I am wrong) that it is not just that I am stupid and can't start a diesel.

Here is the (lengthy) back story. Hopefully there will be some clues in here that will allow some helpful reader out there diagnose what is wrong so that I can get my Cruiser back home under her own power.

When I got the BJ42 about 2 months ago, I had a Cruiser specialist in MN look her over. He did a lot to the front end, the full extent of which I do not know. Most importantly, however, he replaced the fuel pump diaphragm. This (and whatever adjustments he made afterward) allowed the cruiser to idle at a lovely 500 rpms, instead of the ridiculous 2000+ rpms it had been idling at before. After that, it started without fail after glowing for about 10 sec until about a week ago, when it began to need a little more finesse. I found that just a little throttle would keep it going until the engine warmed up (10-20 sec), after which it still ran like a dream. I assumed this just meant the diaphragm was "settling in" and didn't think any more of it.

I probably drove the BJ42 about a dozen times on paved roads until this lovely past Sunday, when I set out to take her on her first jaunt off road. This was a test run. Next weekend, I planned to use the cruiser to get to a hard-to-access trailhead far from home. I figured it would be good to try it out closer to home first. Good thing I did.

The cruiser performed great off road. Do to my lack of experience on technical roads, I stalled it 2 or 3 times during the course of the day. I just couldn't get to the clutch fast enough when I realized I wasn't going to make it over some obstacle and needed to abort. A few hours into the drive I even managed to capture some cruiser eye-candy with my phone:

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At the ~4 hour point, I was at 11,500 ft crawling up a rocky road. When I stopped at an overlook, I noticed that the Cruiser was idling high, 1000 rpm on the dot. I blithely chalked this up to the thin air (with the encouragement of a fellow 4x4er admiring the rig) and continued to crawl up the last 500' of elevation to my desired trail head. I stalled it one last time in that interim. Being good and warm, she started right up and got me to the trail head.

I then did what I fear may make many of the readers on this site cringe: I left her. I left the Cruiser overnight. The whole reason I acquired this rig is so that I can use it to get to heard to reach trail heads, from which I can hoof it many more miles to places where people don't commonly go. In retrospect, it was perhaps silly to do this on a "test" run. But I did it. I camped in the wilderness and got back to my beloved cruiser some 24 hours later. As though she blamed me for leaving her alone in the mountains overnight, she refused to start.

My normal prescription on the first try (10-15 sec glow, throttle button pulled out just a bit) did nothing. It wasn't the battery. The engine turned over and over and over. So I tried glowing longer. Still nothing. I tried pulling the throttle out more. Still nothing. I looked at the fuel gauge: It reported nearly full.

At this point, I flagged down a Jeep passing by. The Cruiser was tilted slightly to the left as I had her parked, maybe 5 degrees (10 max). I thought maybe this was the issue, so I had the guys push her to where the front was pointing up. Still nothing. The guys reported lots of black smoke coming out of the tailpipe as I turned the engine over.

In desperation, I tried turning it over with the gas pedal pushed to the floor. It made no difference. In fact, I think this is the most telling clue: the amount of throttle I am giving the engine makes no change in the sound of the engine turning over. After a few more desperate attempts, with lots of glowing and various amounts of throttle, I gave up and caught a ride home with the guys that stopped.

It would cost loads to get the Cruiser towed out of there. Is there something obviously wrong that I (or some kind soul from the local Cruiser club) could fix if I get someone to take me back up there? If anyone knows what might be wrong, please tell me.

(P.s. I should mention, if I haven't already made it obvious, that I am very new to both Cruisers and diesel engines. I have not done anything but basic maintenance on cars up to this point. I am mechanically inclined (engineer), but I haven't learned the details of how carbureted diesel engines work. Consequently, I may need some patient explaining.)
 
I live near Divide Co. Do a google map check to see where I am in relation to you. I can assist and get you back down to a shop if need be. PM me
 
Sure glad you got your rig outta there, I couldn't stop relating it too the green 40 that was found at the bottom of a ravine, similar situation you were in.
/cheers
 
Glad to hear you got it out Parke. Personally I wouldn't worry too much about it at a Colorado hiking trailhead. If it were abandoned for several days at some random place on a forest road, especially on the front range near Denver or Boulder, then I might get worried. I've parked my topless FJ40 at trailheads for a night or two (South Colony Lakes TH for instance before they closed it - I think you would consider this a remote TH) and during the day for hikes like Mts. Elbert, Massive and Sherman (more accessible THs) and didn't worry too much.
 
The mission was a success!!! The gal is now safe at home. Save a helluvalotta bird crap, she appears untouched. I chatted with Kraig and Robbie (local cruiser mechanic in Boulder) this afternoon, and Kraig showed me on some pieces of a different engine where to look for the EDIC arm and limit screw that sets the minimum amount of fuel. When I got up there, I leaned the mixture down a bunch and disconnected the EDIC arm (figured better to start lean and work my way to rich rather than flood the engine right at the get go). In the interest of time, since it was getting dark, I used a bit of ether and didn't bother glowing. On the first try (there was still plenty of battery charge), she almost caught. I richened the mixture a bit, gave her another go, and that was it!


Well, too late now. I used a very small amount. Hopefully I didn't do any damage. The engine sounds fine to my novice ear -- no pinging or missing. Someone in Denver who owns a 3B adamantly encouraged ether. Maybe he has just been lucky that he hasn't damaged his 3B so far?

The gal persists in idling high, so I think the problem is more systemic than just "altitude." The idle was still at 1000 rpm soon after I started her up, then dropped only to about 800 back at ~5000'. I'm going to see if maybe some of the local gurus will have some beers and a look under the hood with me to show me what is what and help me diagnose the high idle before I attempt another backcountry expedition.



I know, I've been pondering this Daniel. While this rig is great, it is of little use to me, who gives two-foot travel precedence over four-wheeled travel, if leaving it at a trailhead causes me anxiety. Either I have to hope people in general won't mess with it so long as I only leave it for a night or two, or I need a new solution to getting to seldom visited places. I have good insurance, so I'm not terribly worried of the financial consequences, but I'm sure most on this forum would have difficulty forgiving me if I got an LX vandalized. In general, I hope the trailheads I'll use will be so far out of the way that few mischievous 4x4ers will ever see the old girl. Maybe I'll stick to National Parks. I'm tempted to post a sign to the effect of "Don't mess with my vehicle. I'm in the wilderness, returning soon, and you will strand me," but I'm not sure if that would make people more or less likely to mess with it.

Well, thanks everyone for your suggestions!!!! I had many people contact me to offer to personally assist me in getting her started or towing her out, and I am very grateful for that showing of altruism. I'm glad this ended happily and relatively easily (though I am a bit sad I couldn't find an excuse to helicopter the Cruiser out).
I always put a sign on mine that says smile for the camera !! Never had a problem yet
 
After talking with Parke, it seems that his truck was tuned for low altitude (if at all) so he was most likely overfueling since moving from Minnesota. That combined with the altitude could be the cause of the higher idle. I think getting the injectors checked and serviced ($60 for the testing) and adjusting the idle and fuel load may help a lot.
 
I always put a sign on mine that says smile for the camera !! Never had a problem yet

I think I would just take a soft rifle case and leave it laying over a front seat so it obvious you have something long range with you. One that looks like a scope is mounted would be even better. I would never leave a sign letting someone know I would be gone for a while.
 
Wish I had a diesel in my 40 !! You guys are awesome at diagnosing problems from your home . This is a pretty amazing deal and lucky fella at that .
 
Never thought of that ! And I usually do have a high powered rifle with me and if it's not with me hunting , it's a 44 Mag on the hip.
 
Glad you got it down.
 
This was a very strange situation...there must be something wrong with your injection pump, I have seen these B series engines work perfectly fine above 12000 feet and at 16000 feet as well....

Yeah, a fella with a 3B in Denver told me yesterday that his starts no problem at 14k. There is definitely an underlying cause for my issue that wasn't the altitude, or else she wouldn't still be idling high back at her home elevation. Yesterday my main objective was just to get her home -- now the real troubleshooting will begin.
 
I'm about 20 minutes from you if you want to play under the hood.

Check out your IP diaphragm for that high idle symptom, its simple to test out and not too bad to replace if you want to run through it.
 
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I think I would just take a soft rifle case and leave it laying over a front seat so it obvious you have something long range with you. One that looks like a scope is mounted would be even better. I would never leave a sign letting someone know I would be gone for a while.

Great idea! I've never thought of that. Perhaps a lid from a .300 Win Mag box as well...
 
Moral of this story, as once eloquently stated by the infamous Rob Mullen, "why walk when you can crawl". So never park your cruiser and walk somewhere when you can just drive it!

Hiking, it's like that Jeep thing..I just don't get it.....
 

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