The fact of the matter is that EVs cannot exist at scale with our power grid infrastructure currently. Cali is going to have to reverse that law or start building some nuclear plants....
Cybertruck or 200 Series Land Cruiser?
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Hmmm, Toyota has been perfecting Hybrid performance for 2 decades, they now have a significant competitive advantage in that technology that is applicable to essentially everything with wheels and will still make up over half the vehicles on the road in 30+ years, Hybrid is the mainstream future, not EV.
What happens when you calculate depreciation into your EV?
There are 2 courses EV’s of the past 5 years end up in the future. A disposable car or an out dated car that has been surpassed by new EV technology, neither of these will help the already terrible resale value, I personally don’t laugh all the way to the bank with those asset valuations!
Edit to stay on topic: 2 very different vehicles, for very different purposes.
Appearance: Stealth vs Look at Me
Technology: Analog vs Digital
Longevity: Forever vs Less than a decade
Sounds like the OP made a good choice!
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Although I couldn’t care less about the cybertruck, I do know how power generation planning works. I guarantee scaling up power generation is part of the licensing and strategic plans for all utilities, including PG&E in California.
And with the lowest power draw on the grid being overnight, there is still a lot of capacity to charge at night, when most EV drivers charge. Western states are scaling, but will they scale fast enough.
Depending on structure, they have to get voter approval for rate increases, etc. to fund growth, so harder to scale than you may imagine to combat sudden growth that can occur when new gas cars are banned by law (utilities expect these laws to be punted). And with many states banning gas in new homes, there will be added strain that will be hard enough to keep up with as-is.
Not sure about gas cars being banned by law. Banning the sale of new gas cars at some point? Maybe. But given the real world growth in electric car sales I doubt very much that it will come to that.
Yeah, I mentioned "new gas cars", no current cars will be banned. WA/OR/CA has banned the sale of anything but emission free cars beginning in 2035. Most agree that this law will likely need to be punted.
Emissions laws are sort of like health care laws. In the U.S. we pay out the ass, and pay a large % of profits for pharmaceutical and medical companies so they can operate at lower margins in other countries with social medicine. We are essentially allowing these other countries to have cheaper medical care. If we went to the Canada model (or just capped what companies can charge to equal the average of other 1st world countries, other countries would suddenly have to pay a lot more. This is not a political statement, and I'm not saying I am for or against our medical system, but we need to cap costs as we have a world economy and we are subsidizing it.
Same thing with emissions, but to an even higher degree. We need to get the whole world on board. Increasing our costs of operations while other countries continue to pollute more and more is a losing proposition.
The US taxpayer has been the socialist world's welfare check for a long time now. Drugs, defense...you name it. People ask why we can't be more like Europe in some cases like healthcare....it's because there isn't another US to help fund it.
We would also be the ones to pick up the cost of most of the green and EV policies also.
We would also be the ones to pick up the cost of most of the green and EV policies also.
I think you and everyone else knows that your situation is mostly unique and doesn't apply to many here. To make a statement that "charging takes so much less time than getting gas" is being disingenuous.
I guess we’ll see. Given how market adoption curves and tipping points work, a 90% EV / 10% hybrid market may be much sooner than you think, especially in the US.
I don't think it's being disingenuous. Rather it's a fact when understood from an EV perspective and use case. My wife has driven EVs for 10+ yrs. She's only been to a public station to charge less than 10 times in those years.
First thing she does when she borrows my ICE car is a frustrated "does it have gas". She HATES making any side trip at all to "fuel" up, and is why she'll never own a gasser again.
To be fair, when we take her car on long road trips, yes, it does take more time to charge. But I'll gladly take that 1% inconvenience to the 99% daily use case convenience. If primarily used on long road trips, an EV might not be the right answer.
If all states were working on that timeline, perhaps. But only 3 states have this goal. There likely won't be infrastructure to make this work in 10 years. The state governors have basically admitted this, but still wanted to set a lofty goalpost. The WA governor even upped it to have all newly registered cars by 2030 and beyond be electric (which will definitely get punted as it isn't just new cars, it is all cars registered...).
Time will tell.
And this is why I would like a plug in hybrid (with today's infrastructure) that can get me 50-100 miles before gas kicks in. Best of both worlds. Gas on road trips, plug in while home.
Toyota should have done this with the 22+ Tundra and brand Tacoma.
Not disingenuous at all. I can count on one hand the number of times I have made a stop to charge in the last 5 years . I drive a lot--often 120+ miles in a typical work day. I never need to charge because I leave home with a "full tank" every morning. If anything, I drive much more than the average American at 20k+ per year. I will re-state that having an EV as a family's ONLY vehicle is not a good idea, road trips are not a good use-case for EVs. But most people do a daily commute, and for that they are perfect.
Toyota has made it known publicly that they aren't sure EVs are the answer and is why they are researching alternate technologies pretty hard.
Maybe I'll just put a big gas tank in the back yard and have Shell/Mobile/Exxon/Speedway stop by to fill it up every few months so I don't have to waste so much time at the gas station once every few weeks. That 5 minute stop really messes up my day.
I think that's the right answer for Toyota. It plays to their strengths. They are the master of hybrid efficiency as @desmocruiser kindly pointed out earlier. There's a place and consumer for this. Leverages the strengths of ICE where it's most efficient (freeway) and electric motors (city).
I think part of EVs challenges today is surely the infrastructure. Consumer education. But also because legacy manufacturers can't go toe to toe and out compete Tesla in this space. And that "space" is expanding and encroaching onto others playgrounds. I mean look at where we are - a CT or 200-series thread?
I am pretty certain 90% EV will never happen in the US, our country is too large and spread out from a land perspective, our public will not adapt, and the gas lobby is far too powerful, for just a few reasons.