Cybertruck or 200 Series Land Cruiser?

[rscoleman]

First think I’ll say is 9 years now with 2 Tesla, EVs are better in almost every way. Electricity is pennies on the dollar compared to gas, almost no maintenance, charging takes so much less time then getting gas,

Was the part in bold a joke? I got gas today in my old T100 14 gallons pump was slow but from credit card, zip, no on car wash, no on additive, no on receipt, then fill with gas was about 7 minutes max. That 7 minutes was worth about 224 miles. Can you really put 224 miles worth of electricity into Tesla battery in 7 minutes. Our friend in Florida with Tesla and 220 50amp charger takes hours to put in 200 miles.

 

[greynolds]

charging takes so much less time then getting gas

I can fill a nearly empty tank in 5-10 minutes at a gas station. Are you really saying you can charge a battery to 100% faster than that? If you live a long distance from the closest gas station, that‘s one thing, but most of us live pretty close to one or drive by a bunch of them while out on the road. I like that I can drive for around 300 miles or so, refill in a few minutes, and be back on the road for another 300 or so miles without being forced to take an hour plus break. This is one of the biggest cons with electric vehicles IMHO.

 

[turbo8]

Was the part in bold a joke? I got gas today in my old T100 14 gallons pump was slow but from credit card, zip, no on car wash, no on additive, no on receipt, then fill with gas was about 7 minutes max. That 7 minutes was worth about 224 miles. Can you really put 224 miles worth of electricity into Tesla battery in 7 minutes. Our friend in Florida with Tesla and 220 50amp charger takes hours to put in 200 miles.

Probably means they are charging at home, so no time wasted at a gas station.

 

[turbo8]

The video of the CT trying to climb that mound is pretty embarrassing, especially when a cross-over made it up without issues. It seems tlike the Hummer EV and Rivians have the same problems with managing power to their wheels. Hopefully they can figure it out.

 

[coleAK]

I can fill a nearly empty tank in 5-10 minutes at a gas station. Are you really saying you can charge a battery to 100% faster than that? If you live a long distance from the closest gas station, that‘s one thing, but most of us live pretty close to one or drive by a bunch of them while out on the road. I like that I can drive for around 300 miles or so, refill in a few minutes, and be back on the road for another 300 or so miles without being forced to take an hour plus break. This is one of the biggest cons with electric vehicles IMHO.

Every day when I get home I plug in. In my garage, every day I wake up with a full tank.

The only time I have to charge on the road is if I am driving >300 miles in 1 day.

In the last year I’ve done one trip in the Tesla where I had to charge on the road. 450 miles each way. Each way I stopped one time for ~30 min to eat lunch and also plugged into a super charger. The charging time took me 12 and 15 min. Both stops would have taken longer if I had to fill up with gas because I would have had to stop again and wait in line for a pump. Even so, in the last year I’ve lost 27 min of my free time charging, so per your data that is 3-5 fill ups.

so yes I spend a lot less time charging my Tesla then anyone does putting gas in their car.

 

[coleAK]

I can fill a nearly empty tank in 5-10 minutes at a gas station. Are you really saying you can charge a battery to 100% faster than that? If you live a long distance from the closest gas station, that‘s one thing, but most of us live pretty close to one or drive by a bunch of them while out on the road. I like that I can drive for around 300 miles or so, refill in a few minutes, and be back on the road for another 300 or so miles without being forced to take an hour plus break. This is one of the biggest cons with electric vehicles IMHO.

See my other post. I charge at home.

I’ll also add if I didn’t have home charging there is no way I would own an EV.

I went 7 years without ever charging on the road. I am at <1 hour time spent in 9 years to charge my Tesla.

To answer your other question about charge speed. On a supercharger I can get 200 miles in 15 min. At home I have 50a and get ~ 40 miles per hour, most days I drive 75-100 miles.

 

[TeCKis300]

Pretty embarrassing to do so poorly against a Subaru. No wonder they didn't showcase the CTs performance off road. Without lockers (enabled in software), and brake based traction aids, it's a whale out of water.

Though I wouldn't be so quick to judge. It's got the hardware, lockers front and rear, on the dual motor. Locked front with individual rear wheel modulation and vectoring on the tri-motor. That's going to have some serious capability when they bring it together with software. At least on paper, could be more capable than 3x locked.

The Hummer EV is terrible with brontosaurus levels of weight. The Rivian Quad motor is pretty insane from what I've seen it do in dirt and snow.

 

[rscoleman]

See my other post. I charge at home.

Ok that makes since. The few friends that have EVs are daily commuters that charge at home. I and my wife work from home so no daily commute. We do however do lots of road trips besides the weekly groceries etc... stuff. Once or twice a month I run 235 miles to my parents, take my dad fishing 40 to 60 miles round trip towing boat. Then maybe another 60 or less miles running around. Then 235 miles back home. That does not count all trips for wife to bfe for this or that flea market type thing. So EV make zero since to me. If I had 50 to 100 mile a day round trip commute then yea I think I might get one or just ride my motorcycle more likely.

 

[GTV]

Spotted one last month.

 

[40Man]

Ok that makes since. The few friends that have EVs are daily commuters that charge at home. I and my wife work from home so no daily commute. We do however do lots of road trips besides the weekly groceries etc... stuff. Once or twice a month I run 235 miles to my parents, take my dad fishing 40 to 60 miles round trip towing boat. Then maybe another 60 or less miles running around. Then 235 miles back home. That does not count all trips for wife to bfe for this or that flea market type thing. So EV make zero since to me. If I had 50 to 100 mile a day round trip commute then yea I think I might get one or just ride my motorcycle more likely.

I think in the near future we'll see better battery tech for range, resistance to cold and ability to charge quickly (the new battery tech Toyota has touted will be a big step). The infrastructure will follow. Hopefully the grid can keep up with all the additional demand as people convert.

I think electric will be great eventually, but is just not quite there yet, particularly for the single car person, but electric still has a lot of advantages, and I will get one eventually, but simply don't like any current offerings enough to get one.

On road trips I basically never wait in line for gas, and my stop breaks average 10 minutes on solo trips (kids add a lot with bathroom, etc.). For road trips and offroad excursions, gas/diesel make the most sense now.

A plug in hybrid is probably the best of both worlds at this stage. I wish my Tundra Hybrid had a larger battery with plug in. With the bigger tank and better mileage, it is already a road trip beast compared to the Cruiser. My Tundra TRD Pro is getting between 19-20 mpg on summer road trips (5-600 miles on a tank). Getting 50-100 miles on plug in for local trips would be ideal.

 

[Valgrind]

First think I’ll say is 9 years now with 2 Tesla, EVs are better in almost every way.

“Better in every way” lmao have you seen the resale values on teslas, mustang Mach e and F150 lightnings? Nobody wants them used.
Unless you lease it, worst financial decision ever.
Nobody wants to spend $10-15k on replacing a battery on a used electric car.

A 73k mustang mach e gt just sold for 38k with 8,000miles on cars and bids... the hype is over.

I will add that I’ve driven the rivian. I think it’s awesome, but lease only. Purchasing is stupid.

 

[TeCKis300]

(the new battery tech Toyota has touted will be a big step).

Don't hold your breath for Toyota tech. They've been playing charades for decades, posturing with vaporware, without timelines. With the unsaid agenda to steer conventional buyers into their existing models so Toyota loyalists patiently wait for this mature "ground breaking tech."

Toyota does not and has never lived on the competitive edge. Their value proposition is reliable quality at a fair price. If and when Toyota delivers solid state batteries, the rest of the industry will be so far ahead as usual.

It's worst than Tesla in my mind, that is at least actionably working to deliver ground breaking technology incrementally. Granted often taking longer than promised, but well ahead of their competition. I'm a Toyota fan, but sometimes I want capability beyond what conservative Toyota will deliver.

“Better in every way” lmao have you seen the resale values on teslas, mustang Mach e and F150 lightnings? Nobody wants them used.
Unless you lease it, worst financial decision ever.
Nobody wants to spend $10-15k on replacing a battery on a used electric car.

A 73k mustang mach e gt just sold for 38k with 8,000miles on cars and bids... the hype is over.

I will add that I’ve driven the rivian. I think it’s awesome, but lease only. Purchasing is stupid.

LOL, it's a Ford. Confused EV that identifies Mustang.

Worst financial decision wouldn't be the way I'd put it. I'm laughing all the way to the bank. Pennies on maintenance and "fuel" and full lifecycle ownership.

 

[Valgrind]

LOL, it's a Ford. Confused EV that identifies Mustang.

Worst financial decision wouldn't be the way I'd put it. I'm laughing all the way to the bank. Pennies on maintenance and "fuel" and full lifecycle ownership.

I wouldnt buy any ford but the tesla resale value is worse... especially with how much of a mess trying to fix a tesla is

 

[PDoyle]

Best bang for the buck right now is the hybrid.

 

[shelby95]

Spotted one last month.

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This is good. I just saw one on the highway yesterday and it’s even uglier in person. I just don’t get it. The Rivian? Like it.

 

[MCtree]

My main problem with Teslas is the maintenance network.
My wife is on her second Model S and at 4 years old it’s starting to develop issues. I can’t say if the issues are more of fewer than a comparable sedan would have, but I cringe every time I need to deal with the Tesla maintenance department. They are horrible - at least in Houston. And they are 40min away.
With my LC, I have options to pick from for people to work on around here. Sure some are as bad or worse than the Tesla service center, but having options is wonderful.

I suspect this will change over time as EV’s become ubiquitous, but as of now I don’t love the situation.

Though, I do like that my wife never needs to go to a gas station. That can be perilous here in Houston.

ColeAk,
How does your Tesla fare up there in the cold? My wife’s starts throwing errors in the cold in Houston on the few cold days we have.
But maybe it’s just grown soft living down here.

 

[coleAK]

“Better in every way” lmao have you seen the resale values on teslas, mustang Mach e and F150 lightnings? Nobody wants them used.
Unless you lease it, worst financial decision ever.
Nobody wants to spend $10-15k on replacing a battery on a used electric car.

A 73k mustang mach e gt just sold for 38k with 8,000miles on cars and bids... the hype is over.

I will add that I’ve driven the rivian. I think it’s awesome, but lease only. Purchasing is stupid.

I’m a car addict in remission. Now I keep my cars for at least 10 years, I’ve had my MB e320 for 20 years now. Basically my goal is to drive then until they are close to worthless. So for me I don’t factor in resale, didn’t factor it in when I bought my LX, or my previous 80 and 60.

And buying a car (unless you absolutely need one, like current car gets totaled) is never a smart financial decision.

200’s are not immune to depreciation. I could have sold my ‘13 LX 2 years ago for $70k, (my local dealer sold a 2013 with 8k less miles then mine for $74k in 2021) today mine is worth ~$30k. My model 3 LR was $43k new in 2018. Today I could sell it for ~$30k.

 

[coleAK]

My main problem with Teslas is the maintenance network.
My wife is on her second Model S and at 4 years old it’s starting to develop issues. I can’t say if the issues are more of fewer than a comparable sedan would have, but I cringe every time I need to deal with the Tesla maintenance department. They are horrible - at least in Houston. And they are 40min away.
With my LC, I have options to pick from for people to work on around here. Sure some are as bad or worse than the Tesla service center, but having options is wonderful.

I suspect this will change over time as EV’s become ubiquitous, but as of now I don’t love the situation.

Though, I do like that my wife never needs to go to a gas station. That can be perilous here in Houston.

ColeAk,
How does your Tesla fare up there in the cold? My wife’s starts throwing errors in the cold in Houston on the few cold days we have.
But maybe it’s just grown soft living down here.

Well it was -27F yesterday morning, currently -14F. I haven’t see temps >10F since mid December, my 6th winter with the 3.

I almost never drive the LX in the winter. Only issue I can say that most people wouldn’t think about is the heat is run off the battery. So running the heat uses range. The longer the heat is running and the higher the temp the less range I get. Where this gets people is the cars are usually most efficient around town and less on the highway. It flips, due to running the heat.

I keep the heat set to 63-65F on auto. Temps in the 20’s I see at most a 10% range reduction. When it gets down to about 10-15F closer to a 20% reduction. At below 0F more like a 40% reduction, worst day of the year, 0F 6-10” of fresh snow (which also effects range) I get 50% rated range around town (on the same day I’d get 8-9mpg in my LX). Last weekend driving the 150 miles round trip to my cabin temps -20F to -10F I had ~35% range reduction.

I’ve had it down in the -30’sF multiple times with no errors.

There are also a ton of EVs up here, and not just teslas a lot of ionic, polestar, Mach-e, lightning, more and more Rivian every day.

Our gas is super expensive and most people don’t drive all that far, EVs make a lot of sense up here. I think Juneau AK had the highest % of new EV (to ICE) sales in the nation last year. Juneau is much more temperate than where I am.

 

[Heckraiser]

I've never had a temperature-related error down to about -15*.

 

[Adrenaline6]

The Auto Manufacturers are now making their opinions known that EV's are not the way to go. They are losing money on them and they are not selling. Another report just came out that used updated and expanded data that showed that smaller EVs might be cheaper in the long run than ICE's but not bigger EV's. Sure, for some people in some circumstances, it is a smart move, but for most, not so much. The article mentions that too.

Like I mentioned in another thread, EV's are the projection TV's of big screen TV's.