I think the chemistry is similar. With the S I charged it to 90% regularly since it had a shorter range I never DC charged it. Also Tesla has greatly improved its battery management since the gen 1 S. Also It had probably had a lot more charging cycles do to the shorter range and being 4 years older.
Cybertruck or 200 Series Land Cruiser?
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I’m at 112k miles in the 2014 S with no signs I’ll need a battery any time soon. My buddy has a 2018 model 3 with 160k miles (120 mile round trip daily commute) the only maintenance he has done at all is 3 sets of tires, no signs at all needing a battery. He figures driving the Tesla has saved him more then the cost of the Tesla over what he would have spent driving the tundra he had prior.
It may have a 6’ bed but I spent a lot of time with the one I drove trying to figure out how I could make it work. The sides are ridiculously high and sloped and nothing is flat.
So the only option for rails are the goofy short narrowly spaced Tesla ones. So no way for a practical over the bed storage since the rolling cover track goes through the top side of the bed. Also the bed is surprisingly narrow since it’s inside the wheel wells like a flair side. And the roof is glass.
The frunk is tiny.
My teslas have also had next to zero maintenance. They make me feel like I’m working on my LX all the time.
I agree the bed configuration is a departure enough that it won't work for certain use cases.
Having seen the frunk in camping use, on both the Rivian and Cyber truck, they really don't have to be huge to be super useful. It's already a great benefit over a traditional truck that doesn't have any enclosed storage.
I expect the aftermarket is going to come out with more bed racks, that are able to mount stuff level.
I got my CT purchase invite at the end of April and could have one as soon as June but I will wait for more maturity along with dropping of the foundation premium before I pulled the trigger.
It's not perfect by any means, but it'll be an exciting and useful truck to compliment the shortcomings of my 200 series.
On one hand you mention almost never DC charging, on the other hand, your regular 800 mile trips that you described on page 9 seem to be nothing but DC charging, and as per your own post, would be an abysmal failure without it.
This is (one of my many) problems with EVs. It's all caveats on caveats wrapped in caveats and injected with a few more caveats for good measure. Every pro-EV argument is wrapped in ten unspoken exceptions and deal-breaking details.
There are certainly use cases for which EVs are a good solution (such as in-city commuting), but beyond that, they're still a sad joke.
That's a glass half empty view. Having had EVs for 13 years, the pros in my mind today easily outweigh what are minor cons at this point. Not saying all use cases are solved, but once you own an EV, you'll also realize how many caveats ICE cars have as well. The pendulum has swung enough for me that I won't buy a new gasser ever again.
That was one trip. I dc charged 3 times. I’ve DC charged <10 times in 6 years. We have only had DC chargers in Alaska for a little less than two years. The only reason I have ever DC charge is if I’m driving more than 300 miles in one day.
Do you wanna talk about complex caveats: in my 200 do I do an oil change every 5000 miles , 7k or 10,000 miles? How often should I change the differential fluids? Should I go ahead and replace my radiator now while it’s cracked or wait for it to break? When I change the radiator, should I also do the water pump and idler? Should I run premium or regular gas? If there isn’t premium gas available, can I put regular in it? Are KO2’s is the best tires ever made and should I run them if once a year I drive on grass? Are KO2’s is the worst tires ever made and no one should ever run them no matter what? ….
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For oil/fluid changes, it's really pretty simple: follow the guidelines that Toyota provides (and other than potentially throwing money away and causing a bit more pollution, there's no harm doing these more often than recommended). Premium or regular gas? Again, what does Toyota recommend? When replacing something like the radiator, it may make perfect sense to replace those other items while you have it apart. To me, none of these things are even remotely complicated.
I may be mistaken, but tires are something ICE and EV vehicles have in common. They probably even wear out at about the same rate too, unless you drive the EV like a crazy person.
And that’s the true rub in it.
It’s not economical, convenient or sustainable to sit for 45min to an hour to charge half way for a 400 mile trip. When an economy car can do that in about one tank of fuel.
Charging docks everywhere isn’t sustainable or economical infrastructure.
So all the “better than gas” arguments are moot. It’s fine if the future holds the solutions and today’s electo car’s problems , and said cars are the test bed for that (great!) I’m sure the same arguments were made for horse back and buggy v.s. Early cars. Short range, low (or no) amount or supporting infrastructure, and most important of all, expensive enough to keep the masses from buying.
The sacrifices outweigh the benefits on paper and in real world applications.
Electro cars are good for city use and that’s it. Trip across the country? An eternity! Across the state? Ehhh, that takes forever, take the gasser.
Remember, personal vehicles are about convenience and independent movement! The million mile battery is a novel idea and charge cycles for energy independence for home power is also a wonderful dream which should be pursued to the fullest! No arguments there!
Im not against EV’s in the slightest. I think auto pilot is baddass! it’s the greatest part about them so far.
I’m just stating the obvious that any CURRENT arguments ignore the real world problems EV’s have.
That may be a glass half empty view when considered from sunny San Diego, with endless EV infrastructure and little vehicle needs beyond commuting.
Come to rural Canada and you'll find out that the view I shared above is about as optimistic as it'll get around here.
Fun fact: local Ford dealership refuses to take in used Ford F150 Lightnings on trade ins, because they will never be able to resell the POS. That's straight from a salesman's mouth at the very dealership in question.
Those are not caveats - those are normal maintenance details, and every single vehicle will have them.
These are caveats:
- I can recharge my EV 30% in 5 minutes! Caveat: this will destroy the vehicle's battery.
- I have enough mileage for any road trip! Caveat: so long as you have a DC charger on your route, so long as that charger is actually working, not blocked off by some diesel-bro that considers inconveniencing you to be hilarious, and there's no mile-long lineup.
- I'm saving the planet! Caveat: lithium mines and everything involved + your vehicle becoming landfill trash as soon as that battery dies. (I'm still waiting for the "batteries will get SO much better" promises I heard 10 years ago.)
- My EV gets endless software updates which keep it up to date and give me new features! Caveat: these updates also break functionality and piss you off with pointless UI changes.
- My Cybertruck is bulletproof! Caveat: will die in a carwash.
- It needs almost no maintenance! Caveat: when it does, no one will be able to do it except the Tesla dealership, and you will be completely at their beck and call forever.
- It's so incredibly fast! Caveat: when your door handles actually let you in the vehicle.
- It can haul/carry/tow SO much! Caveat: assuming you're okay with half the normal mileage and wasted time on associated charges.
I can go on, but I'll simply repeat what I've said before: EVs, as they are right now, have a good use case, but outside of that use case they are worthless paperweights. That goes for them all, regardless of brand, model, or bodystyle.
In that we agree. Motors hang so low and are an afterthought.
To your point, it's also like a cell phone without a network. Lame.
If said cellphone is a Nokia 3310, it can be used as a self defence weapon, can be used in place of a hammer, can open beers, and still has the snake game. Peak cellphone evolution!
I love Fords! I have made quite a comfortable living in my career working on the blue oval.
I get that you hate the CT, and that's fine. I think it's stupid too. But this comment is ignorant. There are many high-mile teslas on the road today with the original battery. My model 3 was hands down the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned (and I'm a middle-aged car guy whose owned A LOT of cars). After 5 years and 100k miles it had less than 5% battery degradation. I won't say it's the "best" car I owned, I've certainly enjoyed others more, but it is the most reliable and by a healthy margin. Yes, more reliable than my LX570 and the dozen other toyotas, half dozen hondas, euros, domestics, etc that I've owned. Not a single hiccup in 100k miles of near zero-maintenance daily abuse.
How many software and telemetry updates..
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How many software updates do our modern ICE vehicles get? It isn’t zero…. And software updates aren’t only about fixing issues as some of them add new features.
To fix something that is broken or doesn’t work? Zero.
Many. Sure, sometimes it can be annoying as it changes things. But the actual update operation is easy, like a cell phone. Just as often, there's some significant new feature or major enhancement that's game changing.
Case in point
I don't know the exact number, but they seem to come once every couple months on the Model 3. Less frequently in the Model S. OTA updates are a mixed bag for sure. Many are good, some are bad, most make no discernable difference. None corrected any actual problems with the car, they just like to tweak the user interface, add features (i.e. apps), change little stuff here and there. When I bought it I didn't imagine that it would run an update overnight and actually get FASTER the next day, that was pretty a pretty cool update.
