I would still be upset!!!
crew cab 45 TOYOTONA
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Would be nice if the seller chimed in at this point.....
merbesfield
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I like the concept, but that does seem like a lot of money for what amounts to a 4dr shell. That frame is rough. Keep us in the pics.
Has the price been posted?
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For that kind of money, I would have expected A LOT better condition. That's mint restored 40 money. WOW.
I'm speachless.
I have slaved on the bed of my rig and know that good body work takes time. (I suck at body work) He did a crew cab which takes much longer and much more thought and much more skill.
At first, $29,500 for a "Kit" to finish it yourself seems a bit high. I say that softly as I'm standing here thinking of the fibre glass kit cars that you can buy for around the same price and the kits you can buy for much higher price.
If the welds were finished on the cab and the frame was good, would it be a good value? That FJ40 Crew Cab sitting in BC is looking real good right now.
I don't know the details of the conversations, I don't want to start guessing but I'm sure it will be made right in the end, if the seller ever wants to sell another one.
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heres a 2001 Bandi not sure how much that is in U.S. dollar. looks cool
MercadoLivre: bandeirante Cab Dupla 4portas 2001 original - R$ 58000.00
MercadoLivre: bandeirante Cab Dupla 4portas 2001 original - R$ 58000.00
That equates to about $26,692.12 U.S. dollars. Toyota fit and finish and only importable to the U.S. as parts/kit.
Fly down, buy it and a few others, take them apart, ship them home, fly home.
Cool looking rig.
Cool looking rig.
I've never seen one, but I talked to an importer and he discouraged them, saying they are nothing like toyota fit and finish. Still would be cool, though.
Chamba
Too long. Too short. Juuust right: the 43
In fairness to Paul, I have lived in Panama, and I can tell you that 1) rust is simply a part of life; and 2) their definition of 'good condition' is significantly different to ours. Paul may have actually believed that he found a frame which is considered 'clean' by Panamanian standards, just not by ours. Remember that this was a frame from a wreckers, and vehicles seldom get junked in Central Amerca until there is almost no life left in them.
Buying a frame from Central America is not like buying one from Arizona, Australia or the UAE. I would never buy a vehicle from New England without first looking at the areas prone to rust. Similarly, I would never buy a rig from Central America without detailed photos of the areas which are prone to rust- caveat emptor.
This is terrible, and I feel for the buyer, but this rig seems to be in pretty good shape for a Central American rig. I had a 1987 HJ75 in 1999 (12 years old, where this frame is at least 31 years old) when I lived in Panama, and the bed mounts were completely rusted off- leaving the bed to jump up and down on rough roads. The frame on that truck already had several patches on it, and the engine mount had been re-welded; all with under 150,000 kms on it.
As for Paul not responding, I have no sympathy for him about that; he really ought to communicate with your customer and at-least explain why the rig is rougher than he implied it would be.
Please keep us posted- I can't wait to see this rig completed- it is going to be amazing once you get done with it.
I'm just glad that you have the rig now, and can bring it up to the
condition it deserves to be in.
Cheers,
Josh
Buying a frame from Central America is not like buying one from Arizona, Australia or the UAE. I would never buy a vehicle from New England without first looking at the areas prone to rust. Similarly, I would never buy a rig from Central America without detailed photos of the areas which are prone to rust- caveat emptor.
This is terrible, and I feel for the buyer, but this rig seems to be in pretty good shape for a Central American rig. I had a 1987 HJ75 in 1999 (12 years old, where this frame is at least 31 years old) when I lived in Panama, and the bed mounts were completely rusted off- leaving the bed to jump up and down on rough roads. The frame on that truck already had several patches on it, and the engine mount had been re-welded; all with under 150,000 kms on it.
As for Paul not responding, I have no sympathy for him about that; he really ought to communicate with your customer and at-least explain why the rig is rougher than he implied it would be.
Please keep us posted- I can't wait to see this rig completed- it is going to be amazing once you get done with it.
I'm just glad that you have the rig now, and can bring it up to the condition it deserves to be in.
Cheers,
Josh
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My client is an older gentleman whom is retired and on a fixed income---this was supposed to be his dream truck and one big expense before he exits. He is not too computer savvy---but happened across a photo of this truck in its early build stages---and inquired whether I could help him find it and build it. I have been the one doing all the leg work including talking with Paul---but after the truck was shipped emails pretty much came to a standstill. After receiving the truck I tried emailing and calling Paul several times---I think I finally filled his email box and he sent me one response.
Stating that maybe he should have had the frame sand blasted before it left and he didn’t know what to say about the condition of the truck. ( Minded the photos of the frame that I have posted are before it was sand Blasted) “What ever way you look at it, if you want to sell it tomorrow, you will make your money back , and put the hole thing down to a s***ty experiance with me.”
No mention of any way to help to make things right and I haven’t heard from him since. My client being a rather weathered westerner wanted to introduce Paul to some “Western Justice”---or the three S’s---shoot, shovel and shut up. For me I just know what parts to avoid---even if it cost me double. I would rather do business with an individual whom I can trust with a simple hand shake then save money with someone you would want to wash your hands after touching theirs. Live and learn---sometimes it’s just painful.
My client is an older gentleman whom is retired and on a fixed income---this was supposed to be his dream truck and one big expense before he exits. He is not too computer savvy---but happened across a photo of this truck in its early build stages---and inquired whether I could help him find it and build it. I have been the one doing all the leg work including talking with Paul---but after the truck was shipped emails pretty much came to a standstill. After receiving the truck I tried emailing and calling Paul several times---I think I finally filled his email box and he sent me one response.
Stating that maybe he should have had the frame sand blasted before it left and he didn’t know what to say about the condition of the truck. ( Minded the photos of the frame that I have posted are before it was sand Blasted) “What ever way you look at it, if you want to sell it tomorrow, you will make your money back , and put the hole thing down to a s***ty experiance with me.”
No mention of any way to help to make things right and I haven’t heard from him since. My client being a rather weathered westerner wanted to introduce Paul to some “Western Justice”---or the three S’s---shoot, shovel and shut up. For me I just know what parts to avoid---even if it cost me double. I would rather do business with an individual whom I can trust with a simple hand shake then save money with someone you would want to wash your hands after touching theirs. Live and learn---sometimes it’s just painful.
Now its my problem---build thread to be started soon
Well after sitting down with my client for some time crunching numbers of what it would cost to finish the truck---he came to realize the way he had envisioned the truck was now out of his price range thanks to all the extra repairs needed. So we did a little horse trading for another FJ45 I have---along with a diesel conversion for it and now I own the Crew Cab 45 Toyotona----or at least the parts that will make a truck some day. I plan on completing the build this summer---at which point I will see where my cost are at to determine if I keep it or sell it. I have a couple projects to finish up but hope to get a thread started in a couple weeks. Here are some build plans for the trucks---as I have most parts on hand:
*Cummins 4BTA---700R4---split transfer case
*Shackle reversal, disk front brakes, full floater rear, saginaw PS
* Vintage A/C and Heating unit
* dual fuel tanks---posibly SVO system
*looking at ideas for external roll cage
More to come..........
Well after sitting down with my client for some time crunching numbers of what it would cost to finish the truck---he came to realize the way he had envisioned the truck was now out of his price range thanks to all the extra repairs needed. So we did a little horse trading for another FJ45 I have---along with a diesel conversion for it and now I own the Crew Cab 45 Toyotona----or at least the parts that will make a truck some day. I plan on completing the build this summer---at which point I will see where my cost are at to determine if I keep it or sell it. I have a couple projects to finish up but hope to get a thread started in a couple weeks. Here are some build plans for the trucks---as I have most parts on hand:
*Cummins 4BTA---700R4---split transfer case
*Shackle reversal, disk front brakes, full floater rear, saginaw PS
* Vintage A/C and Heating unit
* dual fuel tanks---posibly SVO system
*looking at ideas for external roll cage
More to come..........
Seeing your very clean green rig with the little cummins, I can't wait to see how this one turns out.
I hope you didn't get rid of the green one for it. I can't wait to see what you do with it.
crushers
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first off, i am unimpressed with the shots of the frame.
now on to business:
$29K for the work done is NOT out of range. i would love to see someone build this for cheaper AND get paid for their labor. not a "i am doing this for fun in my free time".
3 months X 4 weeks X 5 days X 8 hours = 480 hours X $25/hr = $12K but if you are doing this for a living or getting a custom shop to do the job PROPERLY then you are looking at $60 - $100 / hr. ($28,800 at $60/hr - $48,000 at $100/hr). that is just labor.
now go find a rust free frame and donor parts to work from. not sure about most of you but most of us live in rust infested countries so a rust free frame has to come from Oz, California, Arizona etc. rust free donor parts will be another issue so add this into the equation... and add packaging and shipping to your location.
are you starting to get the idea?
in reality, what did you really expect for $30K?
other than the frame rust all the other pics were "ooops", NOT the end of the world. how many are still interested in one done PROPERLY? with a price tag of between $50K and $100K?
how many of you have actually undertaken a refurbishment of a 40 series? how many have done a full one off custom mod like this one? do you really think you just wake up one morning and have all the answers and ready to go to work?
as for the comment "That's mint restored 40 money. WOW." i call complete BS. that is a pretty veneer job price. a mint restored PROPERLY done stock 40 is closer to 6 digits.
look at your wording,
MINT: perfect.
RESTORED - i have yet to see a TRUE restoration. i have seen hundreds of refurbishings but not one RESTORED 40.
a true restoration uses all factory parts, factory spot welds in EXACTLY the same location as factory.
in the end, sorry about the frame. that sucks. as for the rest, you got what you paid for.
i do not know the builder but he took an idea that most were too scared to try and made it come to life. THAT is impressive. would i pay $30K for that rig. no, i don't want one. but if i wanted a rig like that then i would not only pay the $30K but i would pay him more to make sure the unit was done to my specs. he has the ability, which is obvious. it looks like he rushed at the end and missed some spot welds. big friggin deal, get over it and move on.
in the end you will have one of the coolest rigs around and at way less than what a specialty shop would have charged. (what do you charge per hour in your shop?)
now on to business:
$29K for the work done is NOT out of range. i would love to see someone build this for cheaper AND get paid for their labor. not a "i am doing this for fun in my free time".
3 months X 4 weeks X 5 days X 8 hours = 480 hours X $25/hr = $12K but if you are doing this for a living or getting a custom shop to do the job PROPERLY then you are looking at $60 - $100 / hr. ($28,800 at $60/hr - $48,000 at $100/hr). that is just labor.
now go find a rust free frame and donor parts to work from. not sure about most of you but most of us live in rust infested countries so a rust free frame has to come from Oz, California, Arizona etc. rust free donor parts will be another issue so add this into the equation... and add packaging and shipping to your location.
are you starting to get the idea?
in reality, what did you really expect for $30K?
other than the frame rust all the other pics were "ooops", NOT the end of the world. how many are still interested in one done PROPERLY? with a price tag of between $50K and $100K?
how many of you have actually undertaken a refurbishment of a 40 series? how many have done a full one off custom mod like this one? do you really think you just wake up one morning and have all the answers and ready to go to work?
as for the comment "That's mint restored 40 money. WOW." i call complete BS. that is a pretty veneer job price. a mint restored PROPERLY done stock 40 is closer to 6 digits.
look at your wording,
MINT: perfect.
RESTORED - i have yet to see a TRUE restoration. i have seen hundreds of refurbishings but not one RESTORED 40.
a true restoration uses all factory parts, factory spot welds in EXACTLY the same location as factory.
in the end, sorry about the frame. that sucks. as for the rest, you got what you paid for.
i do not know the builder but he took an idea that most were too scared to try and made it come to life. THAT is impressive. would i pay $30K for that rig. no, i don't want one. but if i wanted a rig like that then i would not only pay the $30K but i would pay him more to make sure the unit was done to my specs. he has the ability, which is obvious. it looks like he rushed at the end and missed some spot welds. big friggin deal, get over it and move on.
in the end you will have one of the coolest rigs around and at way less than what a specialty shop would have charged. (what do you charge per hour in your shop?)
merbesfield
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How about some update info and pics?
Update
I am not sure whether to consider it a tragedy or comic relief when an individual becomes inebriated and decides to sit down in front of a key board during the wee hours of the morning and becomes an expert on whatever topic happens to land in front of them---but I digress.
Time for an update. As I don't want to overload the Mud server with photos---every photo I have of the truck--including any new ones and any future photos can be seen here:
Crew Cab FJ45 - a set on Flickr
Basically the truck has been fully disassembled--anything that wasn't welded together was taken apart and the rebuilding process began. the windshield and front fenders were beyond hope and simply replaced. All the sheet metal items with the exception of the tail gate have been properly repaired and are now truly ready for paint. The tail gate had some of the hooks fall off that need to be rewelded. Before the cab can be painted I need to finish the layout for the dash items and switches so that all corresponding holes can be made.
The frame of the truck is almost complete again--as luck would have it Marv happened to have a troopy that was recked in the front and let me have the two rear cross frame supports. I will be using a 4x2 x 1/4 tube for the rear frame member. Once the frame is complete---this next week, then I can modify it for shackle reversal and Sag Power Steering.
Progress has been a little slow as now that it is my project I have to fit it in during evenings and weekends---while balancing family time. Currently I have put over 160 hours into the truck just in repairing items---so now that I am back to square one I can hopefully move forward. Also with the snow level dropping on the Mountains and the luxury of being able to complete a few project outdoors---I am going to need to make some leeway as I need the floor space that this truck is currently occupying in my shop. So look for more photos to be added to the link and I will try to post here with items completed.
I am not sure whether to consider it a tragedy or comic relief when an individual becomes inebriated and decides to sit down in front of a key board during the wee hours of the morning and becomes an expert on whatever topic happens to land in front of them---but I digress.
Time for an update. As I don't want to overload the Mud server with photos---every photo I have of the truck--including any new ones and any future photos can be seen here:
Crew Cab FJ45 - a set on Flickr
Basically the truck has been fully disassembled--anything that wasn't welded together was taken apart and the rebuilding process began. the windshield and front fenders were beyond hope and simply replaced. All the sheet metal items with the exception of the tail gate have been properly repaired and are now truly ready for paint. The tail gate had some of the hooks fall off that need to be rewelded. Before the cab can be painted I need to finish the layout for the dash items and switches so that all corresponding holes can be made.
The frame of the truck is almost complete again--as luck would have it Marv happened to have a troopy that was recked in the front and let me have the two rear cross frame supports. I will be using a 4x2 x 1/4 tube for the rear frame member. Once the frame is complete---this next week, then I can modify it for shackle reversal and Sag Power Steering.
Progress has been a little slow as now that it is my project I have to fit it in during evenings and weekends---while balancing family time. Currently I have put over 160 hours into the truck just in repairing items---so now that I am back to square one I can hopefully move forward. Also with the snow level dropping on the Mountains and the luxury of being able to complete a few project outdoors---I am going to need to make some leeway as I need the floor space that this truck is currently occupying in my shop. So look for more photos to be added to the link and I will try to post here with items completed.
