comparison between patrol y62 and lc200 suspension travel
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First thing to note is that it looks like the landcruiser is traveling over higher terrain. Is it just me or is this a case of marketing spin for dummies?
My first thought after seeing the picture was that neither side represented something real. That is neither matched my visions of real trail driving I have stuck in my head. I think that is because i can't see the front axles being in a position that would allow the rear of the truck to be level and utilizing that much travel. I think one would only see the Nissan picture if the truck came with a very sophisticated terrain following/leveling active suspension system. The LC200 problem is solved by moving the "line" the driver is taking over a foot or two in either direction.
I guess if the picture means to imply some sort of deep pot hole (the front of the truck being on level road) you could see something like the pictures. But there are many cases where the opposite is true and the independent has worse clearance. The classic case is that instead of a pot hole, one has a small boulder (say 1-2 ft) high. In that case the the independent suspension does not lift the diff pumpkin as high as the solid axle when one wheel is on the boulder and one can draw a picture with a well placed obstacle showing the independent suspension truck bottoming out. On mountain trails, this is a far more likely senario, after the snow melt moves the rocks onto the trail.
In either case, pot hole or small boulder, the difference is inches, and if you clear an obstacle by only an inch with an independent suspension while your friend's solid axle scrapes over it, you will likely experience the opposite with a slightly different obstacle 1/4 mile down the trail. If you off-road you will scrape the diff, independent suspension or solid axle. (<= s c r a p e is getting censored
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All things being equal, the independent suspension design will have less overall travel. The suspension pivot points and lever arm lengths in any practical design pretty much ensure this is the case. Whether this matters or not offroad is very situational and strongly related to what types of traction control, lockers or active suspension components the truck also has. If you ever watch a Hummer H1 offroad, with an independent suspension that has practically zero travel, you see that travel isn't that important when one has lockers such that the wheel in the air really isn't a problem to forward progress.
I guess if the picture means to imply some sort of deep pot hole (the front of the truck being on level road) you could see something like the pictures. But there are many cases where the opposite is true and the independent has worse clearance. The classic case is that instead of a pot hole, one has a small boulder (say 1-2 ft) high. In that case the the independent suspension does not lift the diff pumpkin as high as the solid axle when one wheel is on the boulder and one can draw a picture with a well placed obstacle showing the independent suspension truck bottoming out. On mountain trails, this is a far more likely senario, after the snow melt moves the rocks onto the trail.
In either case, pot hole or small boulder, the difference is inches, and if you clear an obstacle by only an inch with an independent suspension while your friend's solid axle scrapes over it, you will likely experience the opposite with a slightly different obstacle 1/4 mile down the trail. If you off-road you will scrape the diff, independent suspension or solid axle. (<= s c r a p e is getting censored
)All things being equal, the independent suspension design will have less overall travel. The suspension pivot points and lever arm lengths in any practical design pretty much ensure this is the case. Whether this matters or not offroad is very situational and strongly related to what types of traction control, lockers or active suspension components the truck also has. If you ever watch a Hummer H1 offroad, with an independent suspension that has practically zero travel, you see that travel isn't that important when one has lockers such that the wheel in the air really isn't a problem to forward progress.
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Got to give credit to Nissan, they are not afraid to call out the shortcomings of the Land Cruiser.
I am not surprised that the Land Cruiser lovers are absent/afraid of this thread.
I am not surprised that the Land Cruiser lovers are absent/afraid of this thread.
They are just scared to post in here because Nissan sure called out the shortcomings of the LC solid rear end.
I'd be more afraid of the driver that doesn't know how to keep his diff off obstacles.
Still waiting on the details of how you turned the tragic events of your LC100 series stranding into the gig as an intern to an assistant of a contractor to a photo agency working for the ad agency that did the Toyota 200 Series new vehicle introduction. Toyota must have been really impressed at your survival and mechanical skills. It was so cool that they let you test drive and then tear down every 200 Series variation so you could become the expert you are. Yeah, I know you don't have the kinda of personality that needs to brag about your experience. But the rest of us could learn so much from you.
I'd imagine, that given your rep. within Toyota motors, as soon as they see your posts on benefits of independent rear suspensions, they'll fly you to Japan to consult on the changes necessary to fix the mistakes they made in the 200 Series and make sure the 300 Series isn't the same disaster.
This board is lucky to have you.
Fellow Pagemaster suffers: I bit of advice: Ignore him. He's getting his kicks by annoying and pestering you into biting. Matter of fact his skillful persistence is starting to impress me - if only in the way one can be impressed by a truley humongous zitt - which isn't to say I don't want him to bugger off.
Best policy is just leave him alone, never comment on his posts and with time he will hopefully sod off to some other forum he knows equally little about and pester and fester there.
Best policy is just leave him alone, never comment on his posts and with time he will hopefully sod off to some other forum he knows equally little about and pester and fester there.
Still waiting on the details of how you turned the tragic events of your LC100 series stranding into the gig as an intern to an assistant of a contractor to a photo agency working for the ad agency that did the Toyota 200 Series new vehicle introduction. Toyota must have been really impressed at your survival and mechanical skills. It was so cool that they let you test drive and then tear down every 200 Series variation so you could become the expert you are. Yeah, I know you don't have the kinda of personality that needs to brag about your experience. But the rest of us could learn so much from you.
I'd imagine, that given your rep. within Toyota motors, as soon as they see your posts on benefits of independent rear suspensions, they'll fly you to Japan to consult on the changes necessary to fix the mistakes they made in the 200 Series and make sure the 300 Series isn't the same disaster.
This board is lucky to have you.
I suggest we keep this between the IRS Patrol and Landy 200?
Is that because any examination of your background quickly reveals you as a lying fraud? Someone with no knowledge of series 200 vehicles other than what their last google search turned up?
no, you are taking things so personal.
Lets keep on track, thank you
Do you feel that solid axle is better? What's your opinion?
On my trip to pick a pizza in my LX570 just now I put more miles on a 200 Series than you have probably ever driven one. I can state based on the fact that I successfully picked up the pizza and returned home that the solid axle in the LX570 is perfectly awesome. Travel was adequate, comfort was fine, no parts failed. I didn't hit the diff on anything. I never once thought about independent suspensions or trading the LX570 in on a Patrol.
Why I guess we can call you a "pizza mom" as the kids would probably bitch about the "3rd row" seats if you were a soccer mom.
By chance, was the pizza shop you went to attached to a mall?
To turn this back to somewhat semi tech, Pagemaster I was wondering. You currently don't have a 100 series, you don't have a 200 series, you don't have a Seqouia either. What vehicle do you own that has such a better ride than the 200 series?
Perhaps you own a Range Rover?
Perhaps you own a Range Rover?
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Well, if true, I guess it beats the bus (unless it's raining). I can't see your little internships leading to proper employment though, you're far too annoying and brainless to be paid. Write an article on how the fifth generation Patrol made it 13 years with a reputation as one of the most capable and dependable full-sized 4x4s available despite having just 8.2 inches of ground clearance. A clue to get you started is that solid axles generally make for a lower rated minimum clearance. Submit it to Jalopnik, if you do a good job they may publish it in the letters section.
Now go refill the coffee pot before you get in trouble.
capable, and dependable I will not argue.
Do you know what approach/dep angles are?
