CANCELED- Rubicon Trail -Sept 7th 2020

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Interesting conversation, and has caused me to think a little differently about the California trip. I have always scheduled my Colorado trips (with and without land cruisers) for September for a lot of reasons, the main one being that there are a lot fewer visitors then than in the summer months. Having said that...………… would we be better off considering making the Rubicon trip in September? I'd bet we could have someone intimately knowledgeable about the trail to join us- Cruiserdrew for example- as a guide if need be. The notable negative about a September trip would be that we'd miss the Rubithon event, and that would mean not being there when Jeff and Ben are enjoying their raffle winnings. Of course it'd give them a chance to ship their trucks back in September and guide us through the trail! Yes I'd love to check off Rubithon on my bucket list but the advantages of doing the trail in a less crowded atmosphere might be worth giving up the 'thon. Just tossing this out for discussion...….. don't be afraid to pile it on!!!!!!
 
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I'm happy to do it twice!

If not for the raffle, I'd be pushing to do it on our own. I think fewer crowds and a slower, less intense pace would make for a more enjoyable trip. The possibility of dates changing due to snowpack and conditions after the initial announcement might make logistics tough for those coming from so far away, so the ability to set our own firm date would be another advantage.
 
I was having this discussion with my wife last night. Sitting in line and waiting for 100+ rigs to make it up and the possible dust could cause headaches. My friend who went this past summer said it was dusty to the point you could not see 50' in front of you at times. The trail was a log jamb. They turned around and went back out. This was after repairing his steering after day one.

I am up for later in the year as well. I do not want to drive all the way out just to sit in line for hours when we could be in a smaller group. ~12 trucks or so and do it at our own pace. Enjoy it and then drive home. With that said I would love to do the Rubithon event but I am on the fence the more I think about it.

I agree that if we push it back it would be easier for people to commit and plan for it rather than knowing in March or April that they need to take off 2 weeks in June.


Can we get a head count of who wants to do it when? I say if we aim for the week of Labor day then most of the kids will be back in school and that may cut down on the traffic. It also helps as one would have an extra day off to help with vacation.

Just my thougths...
 
I personally prefer to do trails in a smaller group of friends than as part of a massive planned event with hundred of trucks. I am with @jonheld on this one.



I am all in for doing this as a group on our own.

While I like TLCA events, I hate crowds, and get aggravated by silly sh!t, like long delays on the trails, and dust.

Let's just set a date (I'm flexible) and do it on our own. So far, I think the only confirmed are myself, @matzell , @shmukster and @mryanangel

I'm editing the title to reflect this change.
 
September would work well for me after Labor Day.

Happy to fly in and rent a car with a few others to drive to the trail head. The trail is only 12 miles long, I can hike it!
 
So, I've done the Rubicon a whopping ONE time, buuut, we ran it in September and it was awesome. The weather was perfect, the trail was all but deserted and we crossed about a half dozen trucks while on the trail. The only negative was the fire ban, but we can work out some solution to that. Another advantage of September is that water levels are also typically lower.

I think I mentioned it before to a few of those on this thread, but I've wanted to participate in the actual Rubithon event for many years. I thought the way to do Rubithon is to drive in from Tahoma, down Cadillac Hill (the exit) on Friday, set up camp and spend the weekend socializing, then roll out to the trail head Sunday (approx 2.5hrs)and run it the week after Rubithon. That way its the best of both worlds, you experience Rubiton (without the trail crowds and traffic jams and dust) and then running the trail with the people you wanted to run it with at your own pace.

As far as truck setups go, my 40 was setup thusly: 4" lift, 35" tires, 4:10 gears w/ ARBs front and rear, STOCK POWER STEERING, and anH41 trans with ORION t-case (80:1 final ratio in 1st).

My truck had no issues, other than getting a chunk of something in the fuel line AFTER coming off the trail, likely from stirring up junk in the tank when dumping a jerry can of fuel in as insurance (I did not need any fuel while running the trail and had plenty left over at the end and blowing air back down the line solved the issue. My buddy's truck had a rear leaf spring issue, coolant boiling issues, due to having a rad cap with too low a pressure) and he bent a stock relay rod from his mini-truck PS box to the center arm and had carb issues the whole time, due to the altitude.

My advice: If you are going to run a carbed rig, make sure your carb is in top shape, you read up on high altitude setup (especially if desmogged with the HAC removed) and you bring a few sizes of jets, just in case. Also, check your radiator cap and make sure you have a 14lb cap and a good coolant mixture to raise the boiling point. Also get a good finned power steering cooler. Even with a good cooler, mine boiled over a few times because I had to do so much steering in some of the tighter spots.

My pictures tell a decent tail of what to expect Rubicon Sept 07

Steph and I rolled comfortably gear-wise in the 40. I did build a rear rack extension to carry our cooler, since the lower bumper basket was full. I could have cut down considerably on our gear too, as I learned after the fact.

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I am down with whatever the collective decides.

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I’m also flexible to do whatever... I’m also committed. Let’s make it happen!
 
I'm pretty positive I'd join yal on this trip. Got no problem walking it and just being there for the experience
I've mentally planned for this being a big chunk of PTO, if life doesn't get in the way
 
As someone who has never done a Rubithon event, do they really draw 100s of trucks to this? What is the typical turnout?

Yes indeed. Even more when considering the renegade runs, and the MOG Crew, and etc. The Springs by weekend are PACKED with trucks. As far as the eye can see.
 
Yes indeed. Even more when considering the renegade runs, and the MOG Crew, and etc. The Springs by weekend are PACKED with trucks. As far as the eye can see.
If that's the case, then this doesn't really work for me.

I am certainly appreciative of the effort that goes in to putting this event together, as I am positive that there is an incredible amount of heavy lifting going on to pull this off. But I spend every day standing on line waiting for a seat on the bus, fighting traffic to/from work, and walking through crowds in Times Square. I really don't need that on my vacation.

Maybe I'm wrong. Again, I've never been there.
 
If that's the case, then this doesn't really work for me.

I am certainly not unappreciative of the effort that goes in to putting this event together, as I am positive that there is an incredible amount of heavy lifting going on to pull this off. But I spend every day standing on line waiting for a seat on the bus, fighting traffic to/from work, and walking through crowds in Times Square. I really don't need that on my vacation.

Maybe I'm wrong. Again, I've never been there.

What I would do then, Jon: Go in from Loon earlier in the week, get to Buck Island Lake, pitch a tent for 2-3 days and watch all the groups roll on through, then head down to the Springs either Friday night or Saturday AM; that way you'd beat traffic jams. You won't beat any crowds as the Rubithon is the oldest TLCA event and is very-well attended, always.
 
What I would do then, Jon: Go in from Loon earlier in the week, get to Buck Island Lake, pitch a tent for 2-3 days and watch all the groups roll on through, then head down to the Springs either Friday night or Saturday AM; that way you'd beat traffic jams. You won't beat any crowds as the Rubithon is the oldest TLCA event and is very-well attended, always.
Again, this comes down to dates and notice. I can't plan a multi week cross country trip at a moments notice. I still have to work (at least once in a while).
 
Again, this comes down to dates and notice. I can't plan a multi week cross country trip at a moments notice. I still have to work (at least once in a while).
apparently not working much today! I have been sneaking away to check this thread as well... It looked like a good time in the first video I posted of the 4 rigs making the trek. I think that is the way I would want to do this. Kind of like Moab, do not go during EJS!
 
Well I think there is a strong consensus to make this California trip in September. I wouldn't include Labor Day weekend at all not even for the drive out (for whoever is driving). Labor day 2020 is September 7. I'm thinking along the lines of being at the trailhead Monday the 14th and spending the entire week on the Rubicon and whatever other trails we decide to do. I believe taking three or four days on the 'con with whatever group we have, especially during the week, would be awesome. And if Fordyce or whatever other trails Stump has in mind are available and doable all the better. Planning for a September trip also avoids any conflict with Coal Mine.
Regarding the Rubithon it must be pretty interesting finding places to set up your tent and camp unless you're there really early. Yes I have heard numerous stories about trail jams and sitting on the trail just waiting for someone to get through an obstacle. Never heard any complaints about dust but apparently that can also be troublesome.
In any event we have at least started the conversation about an alternate date. Hell, Ben and Jeff might be able to get a Rubicon "twofer" next year!
 
Mike thanks for the pictures I enjoyed looking through them. Good to see you haven't lost any hair since that trip!!!!! And whose primered 55 was in the group with you two 40's? Wasn't one of the Knorr brothers was it? And seeing the camping areas with just three trucks- as compared to what I've seen of Rubithon and Jeep jamboree events- pretty much cements the idea of September in my mind.
 
Mike thanks for the pictures I enjoyed looking through them. Good to see you haven't lost any hair since that trip!!!!! And whose primered 55 was in the group with you two 40's? Wasn't one of the Knorr brothers was it? And seeing the camping areas with just three trucks- as compared to what I've seen of Rubithon and Jeep jamboree events- pretty much cements the idea of September in my mind.
That was Bill Stainer's (the other BK) FJ55. He lead us through the trail and is a Rubicon regular.

I would say 4 days is a good schedule. You can certainly make it to the springs in 2 days, but scheduling an extra day ensures you won't be rushed and you can try some of the harder lines as you see fit. There are also a few cool things to hike to from the Springs, like the soda springs and the cabin in my pictures. So a day in Rubicon springs is nice too.
 

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