CANCELED- Rubicon Trail -Sept 7th 2020

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Hanging out with people and friends you know on one of the most epic off road trails in the world while driving your own rig, PRICELESS!

No doubt - just need to find $10k laying around... for next year I may plan on trying to get out for a ride-along. I think I’m at least a couple years out from a Rubicon-ready rig.
 
I am debating which rig to bring, what are your thoughts?

1) 6BT 5 speed manual 80....I would yank the heavy RTT off to lighten the load. Triple locked, 37’s, Hutchinson beadlockers, 3.1 low range gears, NV4500 w/ 5.61 ration 1st gear and 4.1 ratio in the diff. Crawl ratio of 71.3. Setup for touring.

2) BJ42 H55F and currently stock xfer case gearing. 33’s and no lockers...but would install ARB’s front and rear. Not setup for touring.

3) LX450, auto, stock gearing...but likely would put 3.1 gears in case. 35’s and setup for touring. This one is the pretty one and would hurt the most to bang up.

4)Look to pickup an old mini truck/4Runner/Truggy as a dedicated trail rig for trails were body damage is a high probability.
 
I am debating which rig to bring, what are your thoughts?

1) 6BT 5 speed manual 80....I would yank the heavy RTT off to lighten the load. Triple locked, 37’s, Hutchinson beadlockers, 3.1 low range gears, NV4500 w/ 5.61 ration 1st gear and 4.1 ratio in the diff. Crawl ratio of 71.3. Setup for touring.

2) BJ42 H55F and currently stock xfer case gearing. 33’s and no lockers...but would install ARB’s front and rear. Not setup for touring.

3) LX450, auto, stock gearing...but likely would put 3.1 gears in case. 35’s and setup for touring. This one is the pretty one and would hurt the most to bang up.

4)Look to pickup an old mini truck/4Runner/Truggy as a dedicated trail rig for trails were body damage is a high probability.


No brainer, take #1.

The others are way too nice. Any body damage to your diesel 80 will be an easy fix since it’s already Monstalined.
 
No brainer, take #1.

The others are way too nice. Any body damage to your diesel 80 will be an easy fix since it’s already Monstalined.
Agreed #1. Best gearing, tire size and you have already wheeled it so you are used to the way it handles.
 
Sooooooo.......I used to live out West, was in Cali for 12+ years. Ran Rubicon 1-2 times/year for probably 7-8 of those years. I ran an ‘84 Toyota pickkup that had all tube instead of the bed, 37’s, Diamond axle front/IFS rear and then later Dana 60’s. Dual cases, mild 22R, manual trans. It had a ton of time just tuning and driving it, was very well sorted, and could hang well with rigs on 40’s and better.

Few basic thoughts:

1) Trail is long and not as hard as it used to be, but is still a real challenge. For anything on less than 37’s and built, you will be well challenged and need to pay constant attention. Make sure your rig is well sorted for multiple days of constant wheeling. If it leaks, fix it. No one wants fluids all over the trail. If you’ve got a big V8 and small gas tank, plan on bringing fuel with you. If you’re prone to breakage, upgrade before you go and put some hours/miles on a new build or components before you go. The trail will find your rigs weak spots and if you don’t know what they are or carry spares, you’ll be in for a long trip.

2) The basic rule is 33’s and at least one locker. BUT that rig will struggle unless the driver is very experienced, knows the trail, and the rig is well sorted. Especially a full bodied rig like a FJ60. For those who have never run the trail, and don’t run lots of challenging rocky trails, 35’s and lockers front/rear are a good place to start. A winch is a must have regardless of how built your rig is.

3) You pack out everything you pack in. Food, trash, your own waste. WAG bags are a must. There are little cardboard toilets we used to use, take it, go a few hundred feet away from camp and behind a tree/rocks, and leave the trail cleaner than you found it.

4) The trail is truly beautiful. Unlike anything on the East Coast. Its at 6000-8000 ft if I remember right, and if you’re not used to the altitude, you can get winded running around. Be prepared, sort out your rig and gear, and it’s a completely amazing place.

I’m more than happy to share experience or answer questions. I’m by no means an expert, and it’s been 5 years since I was there, but i’ll try to help if I can for those really interested in making it out there.
A little up date here from a local Rubicon Trail user. Thought #1 The trail is way harder than 5 years ago in the section between Buck Island and Rubicon Springs. 42" tires are having a tough time. A wagon with 35" tires, a lift, lockers, low gears will make it, expect dents, rock stacking, and winching.
Some parts to have are most importantly to get the rig rolling, even if it has to be towed. Hubs, spindles, knuckles, front and rear axles. To keep it going, drive lines, springs, and third members. These are just a sample of parts to have with your group.
Glad to hear more are interested in coming out west, you will love the experience.
Gas now is around $4.00 a gallon.
Just thought I'd chime in. John Pardi, TLCA 1561 Toys On The Rocks, Rubicon Trail Foundation, Jeepers Jamboree, and about 300 Rubicon Trail Trips since 1975 on the Land Cruiser Jamboree.
Have Fun!
 
No brainer, take #1.

The others are way too nice. Any body damage to your diesel 80 will be an easy fix since it’s already Monstalined.
Agreed #1. Best gearing, tire size and you have already wheeled it so you are used to the way it handles.
Agreed...my goal will be to shed some weight off the rig, taking the tent off will knock off 210 lbs.
 
My trailer is ready to go! 30' 15k gooseneck. Both spots already spoken for.

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Rob the videos were excellent as are the comments from other people. I must say the noise of that white 60 would be too much for me to hear for three or four days it's actually obnoxious in my opinion. I believe my 40 would be capable of making it from bottom to top, and would have just enough room inside to pack in enough gear to outfit two guys for the entire trip.
Curious to get an idea who is seriously contemplating having their own vehicle in CA for this event? I know Crusha is confirmed as a definite in to be shipping his truck out there, and Rob Matzell and Tim's 40's will be going out on Rob's gooseneck. Rob Teague and I are discussing driving out and trailering my 40 behind his 200 series. Mitch has shown enough interest in driving out to consider committing three weeks of vacation for the trip. Other than that who else is serious?
 
I'd seriously consider riding in someone's passenger seat - I won't know for sure until dates are confirmed, but realistically my truck won't be ready to tackle this.
 
I'd seriously consider riding in someone's passenger seat - I won't know for sure until dates are confirmed, but realistically my truck won't be ready to tackle this.
This is closer to where I'm at too. Even this is a bit of a long shot.
 
I'm very serious regarding riding shotgun; all I need is a seat to ride in.
 
Other than that who else is serious?
Mark @woytovich and I are talking about it. He's looking into shipping options for his 60, but I can't be without my truck. I would most likely drive.
This all depends on what dates are chosen for the event and how much notice we have.
Right now all I have is a maybe.
 
I am excited about the adventure. I agree with Gary, I do not want to be in the group with a loud rattle trap in it. It might be "cool" for the first 5 minutes then it would get on my nerves.

We need to think about if we are all going to try to go in together on the same trail-guided tour or take off on our own time. Looking at this past years schedule they had one day and two day trips. With up to 150-200 rigs on the trail I would like to be ahead of the wave. We can take our time and camp 1/2 way, Buck Island? or push to the main camp? It might be hard to carry all that beer in, might have to bring the hard stuff.

I know everyone will be going out different ways, just need to plan where to meet and what date and time. What day do we want to get out on the trail? We will need to get provisions as well. If you drink something in particular you might want to have that brought out by someone rather than take the risk of trying to find it on the other coast.

This thread is getting a lot of traction, it is good to see. I think the more we keep the discussion open and get ideas out there the more prepared we will be. I think we also need to make sure our gear and rigs are up to the task. I had a friend out this past summer and his brand-new hydro assist took a dump 1 mile in. He had to do a trail repair and go back out. He never got to do the whole trail. I for one plan to do some day trips to the Cove this spring to try out the "planned" mods to my FJ40. I may be the smallest in the group with 33's but it should all be in top shape come the trip.
 
As the lucky winners of the CMCC donation by Mark @metaltech4x4, Jeff and I will be there in their rig. Not sure what run group we will be in. Flying out and back.
 
We need to think about if we are all going to try to go in together on the same trail-guided tour or take off on our own time.
This is something that Mark and I were jawing about this morning. With a large group in an organized event, the object of the game would be to get to a destination within a set time.
However, and this is only my opinion, the trail IS the destination. I want to take my time and play. I want to spot Mark into ridiculous and uncomfortable positions. I want him to spot me and keep my Lexus shiny.
I'm on vacation dammit.
 
I personally prefer to do trails in a smaller group of friends than as part of a massive planned event with hundred of trucks. I am with @jonheld on this one.
 
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From experience going on big weekends for events like Jeepers Jamboree & Cantina for the Con on Labor Day (I’m a member of the club that started the event), we greatly preferred going on “off” weekends where your small group has a lot more room on the trail. Big weekends make things dusty, slow, and require a lot of patience. When you’re there more with small groups, I found it a LOT more relaxing and less stressful. We’d usually go in on Thursday afternoon or early Friday morning, be som of the first in, and have our pick of lines on the trail and camping spots.

If everyone’s traveling and taking time off, I’d suggest getting in during the week, like Wednesday or Thursday, talking your time, and enjoying the trail at a relaxed pace. All you need is 1-2 experienced people who have run the trail before as guides, sometimes the trail is hard to follow over the slick rock and its best to know where you’re going. If/When I get back out there, this is what i’d Be inclined to do. Favorite times of year to go were September and 1st half of October.
 
I am in the maybe category, mainly due to uncertainty with my job. If that doesn't kill it, I've cleared it with my wife, so my son and I would be making the trip. I'm strongly leaning toward shipping the truck out, just to save a weeks vacation time.

Smaller groups have alway been my preference. I generally skip the big club gatherings and events for that reason.

I've got a fair amount of work to do to my truck to get it into shape, and also to decide whether to fix up my '95, or switch over to the bone stock '93. Pro's and con's to either approach.
 

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