Brakes ...... Overdue write-up.

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Yes! As the accumulator weakens, it will hold more fluid. So more the pumps of pedal, to evacuate. It also stores less energy. Since less nitrogen to compress. Which is rapidly depleted on first pump or two. So we get less help evacuating fluid as pressure drops off faster. Resulting less fluid on each pump of pedal. Also, booster motor runs longer and more frequently, since pressure drops faster. Result in shorten motor life.

The time to charge accumulator, is a test for air in the system. Found in the FSM, in bleed procedure. When accumulator charge time over 40 sec. We're directed to bleed again. Frankly, I don't see this as a good air in system test. Other than if air in certain cambers within the master unit. Since the brake lines nor the calipers, receive any of this stored energy, until pedal pressed. But it does give us clues, as to health of the brake fluid, booster system and master seals.

I found using Toyota brake fluid, to do a proper flush. Can reduce booster run time. So flushing is always first, in a working system with questionable fluids and long run time. Good fluid can also reduce pedal pump to evacuate accumulator.

Yes in your case a new accumulator may improve your braking, reduce pumps of pedal to evacuate and charge time.

When I grade a master. I use key indicators:
  1. Appearance of reservoir. Heavily stained, is indication brake Fluid not properly care for over life of vehicle. Black fluid, is shorter term indication. Both, a very bad sign. Which are the best clues, as to health of seals. It is also associated with clogged ABS screens, passages and valves.
  2. Is reservoir, slow to level out. Indicates clogged screens. Further clue as to bad fluid condition/health, long term.
  3. Number of Pump of pedal, to evacuate. Clue as to health of accumulator.
  4. Run time to charge evacuated accumulator. Clues as to health of Fluid, Booster system health and Seal with Master.
  5. Corrosion on brake control wire leads, inside the boots. Clue as to health of motors commutator (#1), brushes (#2) and electrical circuit within ABS unit (#3)
  6. Leaks, especially at master.
  7. Age.
  8. Miles
When I first began working on our 100 series, brake master. I worked, to pin point, isolate and target. I've actually, repair many without replace the whole master (booster assy w/master).

I do still, target components within booster assy and master. I do this more for research proposes, on my onw rigs. I take all the clues, see where they point. Number one clue, is condition of resevoir.

But for most, other than a proper flush. I recommend replacing the whole master assy, when diagnose is a master issue which result in alarms. Why:
  1. On the booster side. If we do I anything, that increases pressure. Very often, seal within master fails within 1 to 2 years, sometimes days. A seal that can't be replaced. So long term cost of repairs go up. Both in parts and labor.
  2. Reliability, of the number one safety device, goes down if the whole master assy not replaced.
  3. All to many DIYers, lack to skills and or aptitude, to do repairs safely. Sorry to say, many pros fit that description also.
  4. R&R the whole master. Is a one done. If then, care for properly. We can get 25 years or more life.
Bottom line it your vehicle. But it's not only, your safety involved. It all passage and any one in vehicle path.
 
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Yes! As the accumulator weakens, it will hold more fluid. So more pumps pedal to evacuate. It also stores less energy. Since less nitrogen to compress. Which is rapidly depleted on first pump or two. So we get less help evacuating fluid as pressure drops off faster. Resulting less fluid on each pump of pedal. Also, booster motor runs longer and more frequently, since pressure drops faster. Result in shorten motor life.
Thanks! Good to have your view - appreciate it.

Out of interest I repeated the exercise with medium-firm brake presses and got 32 pumps to evacuate the ACC (compared to 48 when pressing very lightly). That makes sense, but that subjectivity adds a bit of individual variability doesn't it. So all seems OK for the moment...
 
Thanks! Good to have your view - appreciate it.

Out of interest I repeated the exercise with medium-firm brake presses and got 32 pumps to evacuate the ACC (compared to 48 when pressing very lightly). That makes sense, but that subjectivity adds a bit of individual variability doesn't it. So all seems OK for the moment...
32 is normal and I consider good for age and miles. Clean wires leads, clear reservoir, good fluid. No stated brake issues. No alarms. No worries!
 
Another thought - I am wondering if the booster pump design also acts as a check valve - if not there must be one buried in the pump assembly somewhere. Either way, there must be a check valve to prevent the fluid in the ACC under boosted pressure going back into the reservoir. The slow rise in the reservoir overnight back to max (or past max if filled too much!) must be as a result of gradual back flow across this one way valve.

Which makes me think that this is another data point to check - if the reservoir fluid level rises *very* slowly after system pressurisation (without braking), then its probably OK. A quicker rise in the reservoid fluid level would be a problem as the system is basically not holding pressure. (This check valve can't be in the accumulator as there is only one fluid entry/exit point, so changing the accumulator only would not help if that was the problem.)

There are some mentions of 'system holds pressure overnight' in the various threads - suggesting a particularly good check valve. I haven't found anyone saying 'system loses pressure too quickly' so it is probably rare. And it would have to be pretty bad to be noticeable, I think.

In sum, I am wondering whether measuring what is happening with the reservoir level over time may be helpful in some instances. I am also wondering whether a larger drop of fluid level in the MC on pressurisation would also indicate a weaker accumulator - as the depleted nitrogen means more volume available for fluid in the ACC. In other threads people have remarked that the fluid level difference is about 11mm in the MC between ACC empty and fully pressurised. This might be difficult to measure reliably unless the difference is substantial.
 
I got motivated to replace the brake assembly on my March 2000 build LC. I ordered part number 47050-60012 from a yota dealership in GA.

Today I got the old unit out and discovered that the new unit only has 3 outlets to connect brake lines. You can see in the highlighted circle on first pic the new unit has a threaded hole but its about half the size needed. So either I ordered the wrong part number of they shipped the wrong part number. Everything else looked identical.
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Does anyone recognize that new unit with 3 outlets?
 
I got motivated to replace the brake assembly on my March 2000 build LC. I ordered part number 47050-60012 from a yota dealership in GA.

Today I got the old unit out and discovered that the new unit only has 3 outlets to connect brake lines. You can see in the highlighted circle on first pic the new unit has a threaded hole but its about half the size needed. So either I ordered the wrong part number of they shipped the wrong part number. Everything else looked identical.
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Does anyone recognize that new unit with 3 outlets?
There are different versions for different model years. 60012 is, like my 2002 Aussie spec one, the three line version. Uses just one rear line.
 
There are different versions for different model years. 60012 is, like my 2002 Aussie spec one, the three line version. Uses just one rear line.
Yea dude i get it. I looked the part number up using my vin.

My vin is JT3HT05J7Y0109213
 
I got motivated to replace the brake assembly on my March 2000 build LC. I ordered part number 47050-60012 from a yota dealership in GA.

Today I got the old unit out and discovered that the new unit only has 3 outlets to connect brake lines. You can see in the highlighted circle on first pic the new unit has a threaded hole but its about half the size needed. So either I ordered the wrong part number of they shipped the wrong part number. Everything else looked identical.
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Does anyone recognize that new unit with 3 outlets?
Does your vehicle have A-TRAC? 4 channel brake master cylinder.

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I put your VIN # JT3HT05J7Y0109213 into PartSouq and this is what is showed to me…

I believe you inadvertently ordered the new part for vehicles without A-TRAC, with 3 channel ABS system… anti-lock brakes only.

4 channel ABS system enables A-TRAC.

I believe the Brake Master Assembly for your year with A-TRAC is part # 47050-60042. But please double check for yourself.

See this very short thread…

 
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oh lord I don't want to have this headache. I also have a 2000 Land Cruiser. I'm around 320k and just wanted to be ready to replace the brake master if need be in the future. What part did you end up needing / getting?
 
Dug this up from my build thread.

EDIT: see below. Goofed up quoting.
 
Did some digging: the 2000 model year was first year of ATRAC/VSC, which are controlled by the brake system.



I have an early MY 2000 (4/2000 build date), so it needs the 60041.

Mine has the oval-ish ABS connector, while others have a triangle shape.



So about to order one of these up, plus the gasket (44785-60010). Looking like around $1300.
 
Excellent I'm looking into it now. thanks!
 
Here's the other piece that didn't quote right:

Again, 47070-60010 is just the booster motor and accumulator, not the entire ABS booster + master cylinder assembly.

The correct ABS booster + master cylinder assembly depends entirely on the manufacturing date of your 100 and whether or not you have VSC:
47050-60010: without VSC; 01/1998-07/1999
47050-60012: without VSC; 07/1999-08/2002
47050-60041: with VSC; 07/1999-08/2000
47050-60042: with VSC; 08/2000-08/2002

Assuming your LX has VSC, then you need either 47050-60041 or 47050-60042, depending on your LX's manufacturing date. But the best thing to do is enter your VIN on PartSouq Auto Parts Around the World to determine exactly which one you need.
 
Here's the other piece that didn't quote right:
I put my VIN in partsouq.com and it gave me this below, so if I'm understanding correctly I need part number 47050-60041.

TOYOTA
TOYOTA
LAND CRUISER 10009.1999UZJ100202UZJ100L-GNPEKAATM,MTM: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION;01.1998 - 08.2002LA40

"The correct ABS booster + master cylinder assembly depends entirely on the manufacturing date of your 100 and whether or not you have VSC:
47050-60010: without VSC; 01/1998-07/1999
47050-60012: without VSC; 07/1999-08/2002
47050-60041: with VSC; 07/1999-08/2000
47050-60042: with VSC; 08/2000-08/2002

"

 
I put my VIN in partsouq.com and it gave me this below, so if I'm understanding correctly I need part number 47050-60041.

TOYOTA
TOYOTA
LAND CRUISER 10009.1999UZJ100202UZJ100L-GNPEKAATM,MTM: AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION;01.1998 - 08.2002LA40

"The correct ABS booster + master cylinder assembly depends entirely on the manufacturing date of your 100 and whether or not you have VSC:

47050-60010: without VSC; 01/1998-07/1999

47050-60012: without VSC; 07/1999-08/2002

47050-60041: with VSC; 07/1999-08/2000

47050-60042: with VSC; 08/2000-08/2002

"

Yes, that's should be it. Make sure yours has the oval (not-triangle) connector to make sure.
 
I bought a master cylinder assembly from Serra Toyota when it was on sale about 2 years ago. Saved a bunch of money and knew mine would need to be replaced eventually. Was worried though as my LC is a 2000 and possibly could be built with an earlier or later Master depending on the month it was made. Input my VIN with Serra and it said it matched my LC
The one I bought was pn 47050-60042.
Not knowing what to check for specifically, I opened the package and nothing obvious looked different. I stowed it away for later.

Now it's time to do the job. I've got everything swapped and plugging in the final electrical connectors. One of the plugs doesn't match!
Old MC:
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I'm not sure what this plug does. It's the one under the reservoir. It appears to possibly be a pressure sensor? Its only three wires. And it seems like it's going to a part that can be removed.

Does anyone know what this is/ does? And can the plug be adapted?
This was my biggest concern when purchasing this part ahead of time knowing it can't be returned now. And now the thing is inoperable until I get this fixed.
 
Got it.
I'm learning pretty quickly I cannot find 47050-60041 on any dealer website around me, however I see 47050-60042. I found other sites, like Toyotapartsdeal.com which has noted in fine print stating "Manufacturer supply shortage". Glad I don't need this right now.
 
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