Automatic Transmission Fluids (ATF) full 12qt flush & set level, 100 series. (3 Viewers)

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Automatic Transmission Fluids (ATF) full 12qt flush, 100 series.​
  1. Park on level ground. Set E- brakes and chock (block) tires.
  2. Drain ATF from Automatic Transmission (AT) pan, by removing the 14mm drain plug and washer (gasket). Yields ~3 qt. (assumes, at factory set level) from cold transmission. Measure, exactly what comes out and record on ledger. I use a 2-gallon catch bucket, with 1 qt gradation marks. A catch bucket, that is short enough, to fit under AT of stock height 100 series.
  3. Reinstall the 14mm drain plug, using a new crush washer. As always, when installing any threaded plug, nut or bolt. Thread in/on by hand, all the way. Torque to 15ft-lbf. Mark drain plug, indicating torque to spec.
  4. Fill AT pan through: dipstick, AT fill hole or ATF return line. With same amount of ATF that came out of AT pan, plus 1/2 qt. (~3 1/2 qt.) It's okay, at this point to overfill a little. If 98-03, I fill through dipstick. Otherwise, I run hose to fill plug hole. Some, use a pump, filling through return hose.
  5. Disconnect ATF cooler return hose, form 10mm OD metal return pipe of oil cooler. Hose is attached to metal pipe, that comes from ATF oil cooler, on way back to AT. It’s, found on, RH side near top of engines’ coolant radiator.
  6. Attach a (IIRC, 3/8” ID) sung fitting clear drain hose, to 10mm OD metal return pipe coming from AT oil cooler. Run other end of clear hose to catch can (drain bucket) that you've marked with 1qt level hash mark.
  7. Start engine and let it idle with AT in P. Watch to see that ATF is passing through clear 10mm hose, into catch can. As AT pumps out ATF, using its own pump with engine idling. We add new ATF into AT. ATF pumps out of AT, faster than can add. I can add ~1 qt, as engine idling and AT pumps out ~2 qt of ATF. Turn off engine, to stop AT from pumping out more AFT. We should have, 1.5 qt remaining in AT pan. Do not run AT pan dry.
  8. Add more ATF to AT pan, while engine off. Making up what came out, less what you were able to add in step #7. Bring ATF level back up, to the 1/2 qt overfilled we started with. At this point I’ve 5qt out, 5 ½ qt in.
  9. Repeat steps #7 & #8, as needed to get out 12 qts. Holding back 1 qt on last fill, through dipstick (98-03). We’ll now have on ledger, 12 qt out, 11 ½ qt in. This will leave us ½ low, which we can later add through dipstick, if needed. Without dipstick (04-07), I overfill by ½ qt. ledger will show; 12 qt out, 12 ½ qt in.
  10. Remove clear hose we ran to catch can, from oil cooler return pipe end. Reattach return hose to oil cooler return pipe. Place clamp, back in position/impressions it left on rubber return hose.
  11. Check and set AFT level. This must be done at proper ATF temperature (see notes: for proper ATF temp, for year), while engine idling, after shifting and pausing in each gear ~15 to 30 seconds, on level ground. With AT in N or P. 98-03 check with dipstick. 04-up, check by removing check plug, from bottom of AT pan.
ATF #1 temperatures, used to set level:
  • 1998-03, check with ATF #1 temperature at 158F to 176F. I add ATF, through dipstick pipe. Which in 98-03, we should need ~1/2 qt. To get too high “hot range” mark on dipstick.
  • 2004-07, check with ATF #1 temperature at 97F-115F. I remove check plug from AT pan. I get ~1/8th qt. if started with level, at factory fill (3/8 qt low).
To get AFT #1 to proper checking temperature, while in the shop: I load AT. By run engine, with foot on brake, while I shift through forward drive gears, and raising RPM to ~1,200 to 1,800 while in forward gears. This “loads AT”, raising ATF temp.

Warning: Do not load AT, in reverse gear. Doing so may damage transmission.

98-03 AT #1 fluid temp, should be at 158F to 176F to set level. I use full synthetic ATF. Since synthetic runs cooler, I set level, with ATF #1 near lower range of temp. This allows me to get max ATF in AT. Once ATF temp reached. Simply check the level on AT dipstick. While engine idling, AT in P or N. After shifting through all gears. I shoot for High Hot mark on dipstick. With ATF temp ~160F. I like to nail, the High Hot mark on dipstick.

04-07 AT #1 fluid temp 97F to 115F, level set temperature. I use full synthetic ATF. I like to set level, with ATF #1 near lower range of temp (97F).

04-07 were, underfilled at factory, by about 1/3 qt. We cannot use dash light blinking trick, as seen in FSM. To get indication of ATF #1 at proper temperature. TSB: lowered ATF #1 temp to 97F – 115F.
Once ATF temp reached. Simply remove the "check plug" from AT pan, with a catch can under it. If AT was overfilled, ATF flows out overflow tube. Once ATF flow, slow to just a trickle/drip. Replace check plug with new washer (gasket) and torque to 15ft-lbf. This is done, while engine idling, AT in P or N on level ground. I shoot for ATF temp ~97F.

In 04-07 when checking level, with ATF temp at 97F. If I don't see a flow from check plug, I'll raise AFT temp. If still no flow from check plug, as I near ATF #1 temp of115F. I'll add 1/2 qt more. To add: With engine off. I add through the return hose (RH side of radiator), with a very large syringe I have.

Which fluid is best for which year 100 series. See your owner’s manual (OM):

1998-02; Dexron II or III

2003; Toyota T-IV ATF

2004-up; Toyota WS ATF.

Use which brand you like, that states it meets your Toyota OM recommended. Best, we don’t mix brands or types. One reason for the full 12 qt flush: Is we don’t know, what ATF have been mixed in over the years.

IMHO any full synthetic ATF rated for the year of your 100 series, type, Is fine.

ATF I use; Mobil MV FS or Mobil 1 MV FS depending on year :

In the 98-02 I use Mobil 1 multi vehicle (MV) ATF ((Mobil 1 lubes, are all full synthetic (FS)). "I'd use in all years, if mobil 1 would rate for them all"

2003, Toyota IV ATF). Since 2022 I’ve used Mobil multi vehicle full synthetic ATF (Mobil MV FS ATF) in my test 03, which has work fine. I may try l switch this to a Dexron compatible; Mobil 1 MV FS. See if any difference.

04-up, I had used Toyota WS ATF. Since 2022 I’ve been using Mobil MV FS. Its been working fine.

Interesting: The Toyota ATF are made, in a joint partnership Toyota/Exxon Mobil plant.

Mobil 1, does have an approved ATF for WS. But, for some reason, NOT sold in USA.

Mobil (Is one shelf below Mobil 1), reformulated their Mobil MV blend to a full synthetic around 2021. They approved it for use: •Toyota/Lexus/Scio: Scion FZ, Type D-II, Type T, Type T-III, Type T-IV, Type WS (JWS 3324). I’ve use in the 2003-up since. .
Notes:

By using a ODBII device wirelessly hook-up to smartphone. The ATF temp can be read while under the hood or under the vehicle. In the 04-07 this is super helpful.

Right (RH) side. It’s your RH, when sitting in drivers set.

Some say flat side of crush washer (gasket) out, other say in. I’ve not seen, leak either way, when new properly torqued down 15ft-lbf.

In 04-07, I start procedure with engine cold, warm at most. Since I fill plug, is near exhaust pipe. Which hot exhaust pipe, will burn my arm reaching up past exhaust pipe to fill hole.

I use tech streams (accurate), to read ATF temperature. Or Use IR gun, shoot within 3” of center of AT pan (not accurate). To see ATF #1 temp. Using IR gun, OAT and radiated heat from surrounding effect read on IR gun.

FWIW notes:

Using a torque wrench.

Hold handle at designated point (near back of handle) with one hand. Other hand can’t touch wrench, but can touch/hold extension between wrench and socket. Always turn slowly to ft-lbf spec, once and stop.

Drain & fill D&F vs full 12 qt flush.

The D&F is considered safe. Draining the AT pan, and add back same amount of ATF. Safer In that, if the AT is gummed up with crud and or has clutch plates held together crud. Full flush could release to much crud at once. Then, valves may get gummed up (clog) and or clutch plates fall apart as crud (glue) washed away by fresh fluid.

By doing D&F, theory is. Refreshing the AFT by replacing ~25% at a time. Will help clean gunk form the internal workings of the AT and torque converter (TC), gently. Bottom line. IF AT & ATF, is in that poor of condition. The AT will likely fail regardless.

The first step in either a D&F or full 12 qt flush. Is draining the pan. The fluid can be inspected at that time. If we find it really bad looking and smelly. By all means, just a D&F, repeating every few thousand miles. If that makes you comfortable.

Here’s number one issues with the Toyota recommend D&F.

Unless one has had their 100 series, since mile one and done all ATF D&F DIY. With only Toyota specified ATF for year. Very likely, a mix of brands/types of AFT are in the AT. Mixing fluid, is never a good idea. It is what leads to fluid issues and gummed up AT full of crud, in the first place.

I do mostly full 12 qt flushes. I had in the past, done a few D&F. Either was very low miles, I felt AT never touched (a virgin AT). Or I did have some concern with condition of ATF. But that was only about 1% of the time.

99% of the time. I do full 12qt flushes. If I feel the AT/ATF, is so bad off. A full 12 qt flush could kill it. It’s likely, a bad AT. We just as well, find out now as 500 miles from nowhere.

To date, all full 12 qt flushes I’ve done or know about being done correctly. Have only improved performance and reduce ATF operating temperature. Not one has failed after a full 12 qt., not even ones of questionable condition.

Some of these AT, do show signs of being questionable condition (weak AT). Sing is, as I bring ATF temp up in shop. It very quickly increase and even pass my target level sitting temp. This is a sign of excessive plate slippage and wear. These AT, still saw improvement with the full 12 qt flush and all are still on the road today to my knowledge.

I’ve seen many, 100 series with AT shifting and or overheating issues. Each I’ve corrected by a full 12 qt flush. Each had in its history D&F, before I flushed.

All 1998-2007 AT pans, have drain plug. Only 2004-up pans, have a check plug. Same, washer (gasket) for all.

For drain plug, I use 14mm socket. Check plug, I use 5mm hex socket. Torque 15ft-lbf

Only 2004-up have check plug (no dipstick). It plugs, a straw sticking up in pan a few inches. If ATF low, we only get a drip at best, when check plug removed. Since level below top of straws opening. If level in pan, high. ATF is then above top of straw sticking up in AT pan. So then, ATF flows out straw, when check plug is removed. AT #1 fluid temp, needs to be 97F to 115F, when setting level in 2004-07. Tip: Overfill AT before checking (check plug) ATF level, by 1/2 qt. If underfilled, we don't know how much is needed when check plug removed. As in all years: Check when on level ground, engine must be idling, AT shifter in N or P, after shifting through all gears.
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Crush washer (gasket) P/N # 33178-30010, With 5mm allen wrench in check plug. Drain plugs, is 14mm 6 point nut. I use 14mm socket on.
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Return pipe & hose, are on RH side of radiator. The oil cooler return pipe, passes through radiator support into engine compartment area. Return, is the top pipe, which rubber return hose is attached to. I tap in at return pipe, by attaching my 3/8" ID clear hose, and run to catch can.
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2 gallon catch bucket.
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The return hose can just be left open (as seen below), as we flush. It can also be used to add ATF to AT. Notice, the impression in rubber hose, the clamp left. When done with flush. Place hose back on return metal pipe and then clamp back in exact position in rubber hose' impression.
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AT with dipstick 98-03, I fill through dipstick tube:
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Fill hole LH side of transmission to transfer case adapter. I've a threaded adapter with hose attached to it, threaded into fill hole. Just a hose, stuck in fill hole, in is fine.
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Hose run back to fill hole.
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I use OBDmx on my smartphone, to watch ATF #1 temp. It wireless and easy to take I need it. ATF #2 temp raises faster than #1. I like to time, so that ATF #2 is dropping back, near ATF #1 temp (equalizing).

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This is on my to do list. 230k and 99% sure still on original ATF. Thanks for the write up.
 
Few more pictures:

ATF, flows from AT to LH side of engine cooling radiator. Into a small radiator in bottom of engine cooling radiator. Then out lower RH engine cooling radiator, to A/T oil cooler. Then out metal pipe on RH side of engine radiator (red circle & arrow). To rubber return hose on final journey back to AT
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Red arrow (below pic), points to ATF cooler hose and its metal stabilizing bracket (painted black. Fluid is coming from AT into bottom LH of engine radiator.

03-07 Have metal return hose bracket.
98-02 have a plastics bracket, that tie two lines together.
Warning: Make sure you have the appropriate line stabilizing bracket. Otherwise hose bounces around, likely resulting in a leak.

Blue arrow point at rubber return hose where it connects to final metal pipe that runs along engine block RH side, on its way back to AT.
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Small ATF radiator, is seen here. Sitting on top, of engine radiator with plastic removed.
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ATF, flow out RH side of lower radiator, to AT oil cooler radiator (yellow arrow) in front of other two radiators (condenser & engine). Then back out AT oil cooler to metal return pipe (red arrow), that passes through radiator support.

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We tap in at the return metal pipe (red arrow), with clear hose run to catch can. After it passes through radiator support. By removing the rubber return hose (blue arrow). BTW: We can add ATF through the rubber return hose ((blue arrow).
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2006-2007, give more date in Tech Stream screens. So, you may see less data. Depending on year, you may only see A/T oil temperature #1. The OBDII device for smartphone, gives same data, depending on software installed.
Tech Stream, using mini VCR cable and PC on a 2007:
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2004-2007 ATF level check plug (overflow tube) illustrated below. 98-03, have a dipstick, so no check plug (overflow tube),
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TSB: Changed ATF temperature, to a lower range of 97-115F in the 2004-2007. So we're adding more fluid, than factory fill.
Correcting the factory underfill, by adding more fluid. Seems to have cleared up issue, of the low speed shutter.

This will not work. Dash A/T light will signal a wrong temperature.
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Below is corrected, fill temperature by year & model.
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Many of you have seen my alert on cleaning radiator fins. Since we all ;) read, the Owner's Manual. We know, Toyota recommends we rinsing the radiator fins.
The A/T oil cooler, if the first radiator of the trhree to get clogged fins. So if it and other two radiator fins not keep clean. A/T oil cooler will not do a good job at cooling. It will transfer more heat to other two radiator and block air flow. Keep them clean:
 
for the 1998-02; Toyota III ATF recommendation. Is Type III ATF still available, or has it been superseded by T-4 ?
 
for the 1998-02; Toyota III ATF recommendation. Is Type III ATF still available, or has it been superseded by T-4 ?
AFAIK, Toy III is still available. I've never bought it, so never look into it. I always use Mobil 1 MV FS in 98-02. Which is rated for Dex II & III.

Toy IV is still sold today for the 2003. Which is only 100 series I've seen T-IV recommended for. Toyota, to my knowledge, did not superseded from or to any other Dexron. Toy IV, was a lone wolf. Likely, predecessor to Toy WS.

See TSB posted in post #12. Which shows TSB for T-IV, replaces T & T-II. But not Dexron II or III. Which is a rabbit hole. In that a search, will show. T-IV is a Dexron IV, which is compatible with Dex II & III.

My thinking is: Toy WS, is a blended of conventional/synthetic oil. T-IV, just conventional oil.

BTW: My 98-02 OM's, recommend: Dexron II or III.
 
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BTW: Here's the fill hole adapter I use. It's not needed, just a cool toy. A toy that takes more time to attach. Then just sticking clear hose into fill port.
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I once used a fill plug, I'd drilled out center for hose to fit sung through:
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Just a hose, stuck into fill port is fine.

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Make sure to have a catch pan under the AT area, for any weepge/spillage.
 
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Excellent!

What made you decide moving from Toyota WS to Mobil? Did you have "issues" with Toyota Fluid.

Thanks!
 
Awesome work @2001LC,

I wont open the can of worms that discussing ATF fluid does, as that has been discussed to death on every toyota forum and bobistheoilguy. Many people and dealers will put whatever "multi vehicle" ATF they have on hand into their AT without any issues.

But, in the spirit of information, Toyota explicitly says that DEX III and type-IV and Type WS are not exchangeable. Perhaps Exxon or Valvoline knows better than toyota that their Multi-application fluid can simultaneously meet the needs of every kind of ATF. Personally, I tend believe their fluids are "good enough" and marketing decided that the discerning consumers shopping at autozone wouldn't want to select between 3 different fluids, instead it's easier to stock one kind to make the consumers decision easier. So I trust toyota. But that is 100% my opinion.
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Awesome work @2001LC,

I wont open the can of worms that discussing ATF fluid does, as that has been discussed to death on every toyota forum and bobistheoilguy. Many people and dealers will put whatever "multi vehicle" ATF they have on hand into their AT without any issues.

But, in the spirit of information, Toyota explicitly says that DEX III and type-IV and Type WS are not exchangeable. Perhaps Exxon or Valvoline knows better than toyota that their Multi-application fluid can simultaneously meet the needs of every kind of ATF. Personally, I tend believe their fluids are "good enough" and marketing decided that the discerning consumers shopping at autozone wouldn't want to select between 3 different fluids, instead it's easier to stock one kind to make the consumers decision easier. So I trust toyota. But that is 100% my opinion.
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Interesting TSB^^^

To be clear:

Mobil 1 MV FS, Recommended by ExxonMobil for use in applications requiring Dexron III. It does not state can be used in place of WS.
Mobil MV FS. States: •Toyota/Lexus/Scio: Scion FZ, Type D-II, Type T, Type T-III, Type T-IV, Type WS (JWS 3324)


1998-02 OM states:
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION Fluid DEXRON II or III

2003 OM states:
Use only ªToyota Genuine ATF Type T-IV (ATF JWS3309 or NWS6500).


2004-up OM states:
Toyota ATF WS


What makes WS ATF so different?
Why 03 T-IV and 04-up T-WS? What is the difference between the first 5spd and 04-07 5spd A/T?
2003 was the first 5 spd (4spd w/OD), and last to have a dipstick. T-IV.
2004-07 also uses the 5spd, but without dipstick. T-WS.
 
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Interesting TSB^^^

To be clear:

Mobil 1 MV FS, does not state can be used in place of T-IV or WS.
Mobil MV FS. States: •Toyota/Lexus/Scio: Scion FZ, Type D-II, Type T, Type T-III, Type T-IV, Type WS (JWS 3324)


1998-02 OM states:
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION Fluid DEXRON II or III

2003 OM states:
Use only ªToyota Genuine ATF Type T-IV (ATF JWS3309 or NWS6500).


2004-up OM states:
Toyota ATF WS


What makes WS ATF so different?
Why 03 T-IV and 04-up T-WS? What is the difference between the first 5spd and 04-07 5spd A/T?
2003 was the first 5 spd (4spd w/OD), and last to have a dipstick. T-IV.
2004-07 also uses the 5spd, but without dipstick. T-WS.
Not sure. Completely speculative, but I do see on that lexus tsb it emphasizes the moisture absorbing qualities of type WS, perhaps why they moved to a dipstick free design. Moisture absorption may be a result of better environmental friendliness, or better wear properties. It could also be a viscosity thing, I notice the part numbers for the 2003 transmission's one way clutches are different.
 
ATF type & brand is a rabbit hole. It always safest to just use Toyota recommended.
 
So , is there any downside to just using the return hose to refill instead of taking the side plug out?
Just seems like less hassle and it's right there when you set up your catch bucket.
 
So , is there any downside to just using the return hose to refill instead of taking the side plug out?
Just seems like less hassle and it's right there when you set up your catch bucket.
None that I know of. It is where ATF exchange machine hook in.
 
Thank you for everything you do here on MUD. It won't be soon but when I make it back to Colorado, I intend to stop in and thank you in person.
 
Will new fluid just flow in via a funnel or does it need to be pumped in.
I've never tried using just a funnel, to pour into ATF cooler return hose. My guess, it would flow.

I'll give it a try, after draining pan. I'll pour in 1 qt., measuring what comes out of pan's drain plug, as I do.
 
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