Any guess as to how many FJ80's and how many FZJ80's remain on the road in the US?

[VWEeplusa]

Question of the day:
Insofar as 16,311 FJ80's were sold in the US for the 1991-1992 model years, and that 58,419 FZJ80's were sold between 1993 and 1997, what is the best guess estimate as to how many of each are still on the road?

I ask because it would seem with such a low number of FJ80's sold, as the years go by and as fewer and fewer tip top examples remain, they will begin to surpass the FZJ80 in value.

Thoughts? thanks

 

[scottryana]

Lol you must have an FJ and not an FZJ . Rarity isn't the only thing that drives value.

 

[Rookie2]

Unless the supply got extremely low and the item becomes truly rare, in my opinion there would typically need to be a compelling reason that drives the demand up for a particular year vehicle. In my opinion, I'm not aware of any aspects that would make the FJ80 more desirable than an FZJ80. Basically the same body either way, different motors (which I wouldn't consider a + item for the FJ80) and bells and whistles. When people that are looking for 80 series vehicles ask which years are better, you don't ever hear someone say, look for 91-92.

 

[450 Cruiser]

Question of the day:
Insofar as 16,311 FJ80's were sold in the US for the 1991-1992 model years, and that 58,419 FZJ80's were sold between 1993 and 1997, what is the best guess estimate as to how many of each are still on the road?

Does your FZJ80's sold number include LX450's? I'm curious how many LX's were sold.

You could argue there's more differentiation between LC vs. LX than FJ LC vs. FZJ LC in terms of vehicle recognition. Vehicle recognition elicits memories. Memories play a part in "vintage" vehicle value.

That being said, I wouldn't (ever) expect the value of my LX to exceed the value of a comparable LC.

 

[half k cruiser]

Lots of now rare vehicles out there with crap for value. Names like Pinto, ad Gremlin come to mind.

 

[mdandashly]

I see at least 1 a week in Miami, FL that is stock and still running.

 

[VWEeplusa]

I'm unaware if the numbers include Lexus sales numbers.

I think the point is the supply will indeed get extremely low and the item, both the FJ80 and the FZJ80 will become extremely rare (at least those stock to semi-stock and in decent shape with decent miles) in the coming years.

The difference between the LC and cars like Gremlins & Pintos includes the understanding that the LC is almost universally a respected vehicle compared to those models of cars and trucks that don't have the cachet or were considered low quality or inferior vehicles during their entire history. Additionally, we have seen the collector's market almost always be enthralled with 'trucks' and other off road vehicles that manage to survive intact and in good shape. It helps with the value of even non-collector's item trucks and jeeps as well.

My opinion would be, unbiased between the FJ80 and FZJ80, that in the coming years, due to the great market of interest and cult following they have always held, that as at the original low sales numbers become more and more scarce, with the reputation the LC has always had as a top notch quality vehicle, and the fact it has changed somewhat after 1997 to a more road friendly luxury car, that there will indeed be a premium attached to their value.

My curiosity comes from wanting to simply understand that if only 16,311 vehicles were sold 22-24 years ago, knowing the normal rate of attrition for vehicles being wrecked, totaled out, parted out, etc, what IS the real estimated number out there on the road? I would guess at least 20% were wrecked over the past 2.5 decade, another 10% just simply worn out, another 10% parked somewhere and forgotten about or parted out, and maybe 20% modified or abused in such a way to maximize the rarity of finding a nice original stock example. That would indicate that the FJ80 only has about 6,524 examples in operation, and maybe 10% of those are extremely worthy specimens, meaning there might be less than 1,000 FJ80's you could find that don't need restoration and less than 2,500 FZJ80's.

 

[VWEeplusa]

....also, location has a huge effect on market as well, as illustrated by mdandashly. In the St Louis area, I see an 80 maybe every two weeks, and if you watch Craigslist, Cars.com, or Autotrader.com, its pretty rare to see more than 1 or 2 pretty mediocre examples of an FJ or FZJ80 for sale within 150 mi of the metro area. It seems California, Arizona, Texas, and Florida have quite a few of them, which would suggest that if 50% of all LC's of the 80 series are in 4-6 states, that the rarity necessary to begin paying attention to these as potential collector's items is fast approaching throughout most of the country.

We know the earlier LC's have a market and have shown a tendency to begin to appreciate in value after so many years, and I would suggest the same will be true for the FJ and FZJ80, partly because i think they will be considered the last of the true LC's built in the spirit of the originals more than for luxury purposes.

 

[foeix]

Don't forget the decimation of Cash for Clunkers. Here are the numbers... shocking really

Land Cruiser Wagon 4WD

1991 / 1,176
1992 / 623
1993 / 626
1994 / 309
1995 / 364
1996 / 127
1997 / 76

 

[half k cruiser]

What was the point of this article again ? As vehicles with a cult following get older they become more difficult to find and therefore increase in value ? That's not exactly a ground breaking revelation, nor is it really tech related.

 

[VWEeplusa]

Don't forget the decimation of Cash for Clunkers. Here are the numbers... shocking really

Land Cruiser Wagon 4WD

1991 / 1,176
1992 / 623
1993 / 626
1994 / 309
1995 / 364
1996 / 127
1997 / 76

So thats how many LC's have been sacrificed to the cash for clunkers program? are they destroyed or resold then?

that shows that over 10% of all 91-92's sold in the US have been sold this way. wow.

 

[foeix]

Their engines were destroyed by running silica in the engine oil. The rest of the vehicle went to scrap yards.

 

[scottryana]

That was the most stupid automotive plan ever. It pisses me off to think about how much money we pissed away to destroy cars.

 

[Mr Cimarron]

I have a Jeep Liberty CRD (diesel)which only about 14,000 were sold. Value keeps going down. I don't see FJ80's doing any different.

 

[MattL]

My sources say vehicles (Toyota Land Cruisers only) that are still on the road breakdown as follows:

1991: 4543
1992: 3452
1993: 4277
1994: 8700
1995: 4925
1996: 7530
1997: 9897

Total: 43,324

If the production #s above are correct (74,730) then 58% of 80series Cruisers (excl. Lexus) remain on the road today.

My Lexus #s may be off but I see:

1996: 2892
1997: 5417

Total: 8309

 

[scottryana]

Oh I have the rarest of the rare 1996 LX. When I lost it for sale I am going to be rich!

 

[Mr Cimarron]

My sources say vehicles (Toyota Land Cruisers only) that are still on the road breakdown as follows:

1991: 4543
1992: 3452
1993: 4277
1994: 8700
1995: 4925
1996: 7530
1997: 9897

Total: 43,324

If the production #s above are correct (74,730) then 58% of 80series Cruisers (excl. Lexus) remain on the road today.

My Lexus #s may be off but I see:

1996: 2892
1997: 5417

Total: 8309

-1 LX. It's behind the garage permanently parked.

 

[lp2k]

Gas for clunkers ate up a ton , I remember seeing 3. 2 with lockers and me being paid minimum wage

 

[wakesetter]

to answer the OP question, 32,719. that's my completely random guess

 

[450 Cruiser]

My sources say vehicles (Toyota Land Cruisers only) that are still on the road breakdown as follows:

1991: 4543
1992: 3452
1993: 4277
1994: 8700
1995: 4925
1996: 7530
1997: 9897

Total: 43,324

If the production #s above are correct (74,730) then 58% of 80series Cruisers (excl. Lexus) remain on the road today.

My Lexus #s may be off but I see:

1996: 2892
1997: 5417

Total: 8309

What are your sources? Super top secret or is this something Joe Public can see?