80 vs. 100

[FirstToy]

The reality of the marketplace finds the LC changing to fit the times. The 80 is vintage. It's constructed differently than modern Toyotas.

The 100 suits the market it was created for. I think Toyota has literature on the design objectives of each.

The 120 is also appropriate for the market it was created for.

The 120 and 100 are on different branches of the LC family tree. The 120 is a development of/replacement of the 90 series. The 120 is not a replacement of the 100.


Looking on the 100 vs. 80 in 2005, I think it can be said they are two very different SUV's that share a common heritage.
Which is better depends on the person owning it.

I will say that both have that 'aura' of something special. I think the GX470 also has that feeling.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Which is better depends on the person owning it.

Right on of course...and if I can add...."Which is better depends on what it is being used for".

 

[NorCalDoug]

...Hey, if Amando can run the Rubi, then what's left to prove or argue about? Sure he struggled more on that trail than some 80's (though I bet the 80's had bigger lifts)? Bottom line was that he made it and without damage. In between his Rubi visits, reality is that his 100 kicks ass over our 80s in just about every way. The 100's do not need to prove themselves any longer just like the 80's don't when they were dogged in the mid-90's.

There you go talking about crap that you know nothing about...again...


Would you please stop using Amando's 100 in your arguments? Until you get your huevos back from your wife...and install them securely enough to take your 100 on a trail 75% as tough as the ones that Amando's been on, you really have no room to talk. Unless you've done something tougher recently, I'm fairly certain that I was on the toughest trail that you've EVER taken your 100 on...and you had to be shamed into do that. It shouldn't be news to you that Golden Spike, although it's not a cake walk, isn't the toughest trail in the west.

Quit yer yappin' and show me what you can do in YOUR 100.

 

[FirstToy]

lol, I missed that Doug. I knew Shotts would say something about Amando. Next time I see Amando, I'll ask him if his butt hurts hahaha


I dont necessarily think "Which is better depends on what it is being used for" is correct.

I do feel it is dependent on the owner.
For example, many non-offroad people LOVE the FJ60. It is quantifiably worse in every measure than a 80 or 100 yet it much more attractive to many.

I drove by a pristine grey FJ62 driven by an old guy. On the 210 fwy, I passed him and just smiled. That's not exactly something you can measure but is of great value to people.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Having spotted Amando through a number of the tight spots on the Rubicon, I will say a few things about the 100 not as an expert but as an observer.

1-An 80 goes through the Rubicon easier than a 100, and it isn't due to width.

2-The IFS is fragile-sorry but it is. Amando nearly lost his steering and suspension at the top of Walker hill as the side force in the gully was literally folding the tires in in a very un-natural way. He had to back out of it.

3-Fancy traction systems help in Moab style wheeling. It's useless in bolders. Lockers RULE.

4-Amando had a bit of body damage-if not for good driving skills it would have been much worse.

5-The IFS c/v joints are pretty tough.

6-The 100 lifts one front tire or the other on nearly every tough spot. This lead to a very unstable ride on steep boulder filled downhills. I'm glad I wasn't driving it down the Big Sluice drop.

7-The 100 has a better stereo.

8-An FJ40 goes through the Rubicon better than an 80 series, but I wouldn't want to drive an FJ40 to work more than once or twice per year, if you get my drift.

9-The 100 is a much nicer family hauler than an 80.

10-The driver is more important than the truck.

With that said, I would love to drive the Shotts mobile through the Rubicon. I'll be careful, I promise....

 

[firetruck41]

They are both great rigs

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

There you go talking about crap that you know nothing about...again...


Would you please stop using Amando's 100 in your arguments? Until you get your huevos back from your wife...and install them securely enough to take your 100 on a trail 75% as tough as the ones that Amando's been on, you really have no room to talk. Unless you've done something tougher recently, I'm fairly certain that I was on the toughest trail that you've EVER taken your 100 on...and you had to be shamed into do that. It shouldn't be news to you that Golden Spike, although it's not a cake walk, isn't the toughest trail in the west.

Quit yer yappin' and show me what you can do in YOUR 100.

Sorry Doug. I don't need your approval in order to speak on the forum or to enjoy my rides. Not sure why you make the personal attacks. They are funny though to read. You must want my wife and my 100 or you wouldn't write on a personal basis. Hey, wait....that's me.....I have my 100, an 80, and will have another 80....AND BECKY. Man, I got it made!

I'd be a dumb-ass to risk wrecking an expensive rig like my 100 on trails tougher than the Spike when I have a beater 80 (and will soon have a nice 80 too) that would offer me more fun and no surprises. IF I could afford ONLY the 100 then I'd be using it. Luckily I can afford other rigs too.

Back to those personal attacks/huevos? Hmmm, talk to my friends is AZ. Ask those people "who in America had the huevos to take their new $60K STOCK SUV onto 3.5+ rated trails where other Cruiser models were getting body damage even before that new SUV was modified? Yes, I was insane then, but I was also ignorant of the possible outcome on the difficult trails. So, the next step of a wise person is to turn their knowledge into wisdom.....so I got smart and bought a low-cost rig to trash instead (the 80). Now, I have the best of both worlds. DOUG: When are YOU going to turn your knowledge about the 100 into WISDOM and admit their capability? You're a good man. Give up the "spin".

 

[Cruiserhead05]

Sorry Doug. I don't need your approval in order to speak on the forum or to enjoy my rides. Not sure why you make the personal attacks. They are funny though to read. You must want my wife and my 100 or you wouldn't write on a personal basis. Hey, wait....that's me.....I have my 100, an 80, and will have another 80....AND BECKY. Man, I got it made!

I'd be a dumb-ass to risk wrecking an expensive rig like my 100 on trails tougher than the Spike when I have a beater 80 (and will soon have a nice 80 too) that would offer me more fun and no surprises. IF I could afford ONLY the 100 then I'd be using it. Luckily I can afford other rigs too.

Back to those personal attacks/huevos? Hmmm, talk to my friends is AZ. Ask those people "who in America had the huevos to take their new $60K STOCK SUV onto 3.5+ rated trails where other Cruiser models were getting body damage even before that new SUV was modified? Yes, I was insane then, but I was also ignorant of the possible outcome on the difficult trails. So, the next step of a wise person is to turn their knowledge into wisdom.....so insane I got smart and bought a low-cost rig to trash instead (the 80). Now, I have the best of both worlds. DOUG: When are YOU going to turn your knowledge about the 100 into WISDOM and admit their capability? You're a good man. Give up the "spin".

Junk, Reffug....

I'd say thats your queue to kill this thread or send it to chit-chat

 

[clownmidget]

3) 5x150mm lug pattern is bigger and stronger than the 6 lug pattern. Sorry to disappoint you.

Based on what? Who here has snapped a lug on either?

4) Lockers can be added for those of use who want/need them. BTW, how many of your Cruisers came equipped with factory lockers? That's what I thought.

Mine did The point here is that you can shop around and pretty consistently find a 80 with the lockers and they add no expense to the purchase price typically. If you want/need them on a 100 you will pay close to $2K for just the front if you have the rear oem one, more if you need/want both.

Also, you can't disable the ABS (with CDL open) when you want to run high speed gravel/dirt roads

 

[Atticus]

chat

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Also, you can't disable the ABS (with CDL open) when you want to run high speed gravel/dirt roads

Yes, this is chat.

High speed gravel roads? I can't run speeds in the 80 even CLOSE to my 100. If a vehicle comes on around a curve and I'm in the 80 then I could be in the DITCH as soon as I hit my brakes. In the 100 I can be flying and slam the brakes and VCS keeps my track. I've tried to lose it (in safe places) in the 100 and it tracks on. The 80 is the dangerous rig in these situations (as would be a 100 prior to VSC/TRAC).

 

[Atticus]

yawn

 

[clownmidget]

John you are like a giant red button Pavlovian direct wired single response organism. This game is fun but gets boring.

100's suck. My 80's better.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John you are like a giant red button Pavlovian direct wired single response organism. This game is fun but gets boring.

100's suck. My 80's better.

No. My 80's better. Waaaaa!

All this is silly, isn't it? Fun though.

 

[hoser]

Based on what? Who here has snapped a lug on either?

I'm not sure which set-up is stronger but if IRRC, 80 studs are only 12mm

FZJ80 studs:
12mm x 1.5 on a 6x5.5 bolt pattern (5.5 = 139mm)

UZJ100 studs:
14mm x 1.5 on a 5x150mm bolt pattern.

Which is stronger 5x14mm studs or 6x12mm studs?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I'm not sure which set-up is stronger but if IRRC, 80 studs are only 12mm

FZJ80 studs:
12mm x 1.5 on a 6x5.5 bolt pattern (5.5 = 139mm)

UZJ100 studs:
14mm x 1.5 on a 5x150mm bolt pattern.

Which is stronger 5x14mm studs or 6x12mm studs?

I missed Clownmidget's question. I have discovered 3 broken lug nuts (in 3-years/30K miles) on my 80 and zero on my 100 (in 4.5 years/100K miles). In fact, I still have a standard nut on one standard bolt we did on a trail fix. Glad this came up. I need to get the proper gizmos.
(See, somegood came from this thread. Thanks everybody! )

 

[hoser]

Also, you can't disable the ABS (with CDL open) when you want to run high speed gravel/dirt roads

Haha okay, well just to set the record straight... Newly discovered ABS mod:

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=722007&postcount=17

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Haha okay, well just to set the record straight... Newly discovered ABS mod:

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showpost.php?p=722007&postcount=17

Whatchit Hoser! You keep that up and the 100-haters might treat you like they do me (well, maybe not ).

 

[clownmidget]

Hah! Well his last sentence STILL applies to Shottz

And I believe that the AUS folks have been retrofitting those larger 100 lugs in the 80/105 live axle trucks for about as long as the 100 has been around. So are 6 of the 14-mm lugs better than 5, even if the diameter of spread is 11-mm smaller....

 

[hoser]

Yeah, I'll stop ;p I was just trying to throw some "tech" into this thread. Anyway, I would bet the 6x14mm studs would be stronger even with the smaller spread. I'm no engineer though.