80 Series Safety

Are the 80 Series LC's safe for kids with carseats?


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Safety depends on other circumstances as well as the vehicle. I put my whole family, and some extended family in my 80 with no worries. If we go on the interstate, we stay in the slow lane and take it easy since it is lifted and overweight. I was clipped driving our Infiniti on the interstate and we spun out of control and ended up in the ditch. We all walked away but if it was the 80, we would have rolled and who knows how bad it could have been but it would have been the same as any other similar sized SUV.

As far brakes, they aren't bad when you have good pads, fluid and components. Adding big tires and other weight will hurt braking so naturally people will look for improvements. If you add weight and unmaintained parts then your brakes will suck. If you look on any car forum people are always looking for ways to go faster and stop better, that is not an indication of poor performance, just that people always want more!
 
My daughter (now 6) has been safe in the 80 since birth. I feel better with her it in than my 4r to be honest. Good child seat and proper installation, do worries. I have overhauled my brake system in the 80 and honestly stops better than my 3rd gen 4r as well. (4r brake system gone through as well).

Just IMHE
 
F'NA LET IT GO MAN.
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WE REALIZE YOU HATE THE 80S BRAKES AND THINK IT IS AN UNSAFE VEHICLE, YOUR OPINION IS NOTED, GIVE IT A REST. WE GET THAT YOU DON'T THINK KIDS SHOULD BE IN AN 80. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH YOU AND HAVE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE TO BACK IT UP.
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THE BEST CARS IN THE WORLD WITH THE BEST BRAKES IN THE WORLD HAVE BEEN WRECKED. PLENTY OF 80S HAVE STOPPED VERY WELL.
YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE POINTLESS CRAP THAT YOU HAVE NOT THOUGHT OUT OR BACKED UP WITH ANY REAL LOGIC.
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It is my professional opinion that you never drive an 80 or any other large vehicle on public roads, because you can't handle it. Tens of thousands of other drivers apparently can.
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PM your address so I can send you a new computer. You got the CAPS locked on yours.
 
Living in LA is more dangerous than driving a Series 80. So your logic is screwed up to begin with. And I agree. You must suck at driving if you cannot anticipate traffic flow.

I own a 1967 Mustang convertible and have owned a sidecar motorcycle. Both are basically unsurvivable in a crash.

But you know what? My children carry the memory of riding in both as one of their most cherished life happenings.

Living life is about trading risk for experience. Only contemptible people try to live in a bubble, safe from everything.


Do you even have freeways in Iowa? Or is it all just dirt roads?
 
I've never had an issue with braking on my either of my 80s. One I've owned since new in 92. The 93 seems to be a little bit better at stopping but I haven't had to panic stop in it, yet.

The myth of the 80 having bad brakes is just that, a myth. It is purely some people's opinions. Much like the ones that say they are underpowered or that the 3FE is slow.

Both of my kids grew up in my 80. They are 17 and 14. I never hesitated to put them in it when they were little. My 17 year old drives my 92 every day to school. I bought my 14 year old a 92. I worry less with my daughter driving her and my son to school in the 80 than in the Camry Hybrid with side airbags and crumple zones.

As for the argument that the 80 has a higher center of gravity, yes, it does. Part of it being taller is that the bumpers are also higher than the majority of vehicles on the road. Higher bumpers win.

5500+lbs and high bumpers > than 3000lbs and low bumpers.
 
Wow love this forum, all of that from a safety question :popcorn:...safety is tough since there are so many factors. Every vehicle is safe in some sense of the word. For our purposes a 200 is "safer" than a 100, 100 "safer" than an 80 and so on. Honestly you're fine with whatever, my biggest concern is everyone else on the road, that factor beyond your control. Drive safe, pay attention, more important than the vehicle you're in.
 
Do you even have freeways in Iowa? Or is it all just dirt roads?

Just dirt roads. That's why we drive 80s. We actually need them. Unlike you city folk.
 
My wife knocked down a damn bicyclist who decided to jump in front of her. Panic stop? Pffff, right. Good thing we got an ARB bumper. No damage to the paint.
 
Do you even have freeways in Iowa? Or is it all just dirt roads?

Iowa really isn't an issue, traffic wise. Lots of poor driving, but none of the typical urban idiocy you see. I used to work in DC, so understand how retarded that can be.

Drove on the autobahn last Sunday. Survived somehow, though.

My wife knocked down a damn bicyclist who decided to jump in front of her. Panic stop? Pffff, right. Good thing we got an ARB bumper. No damage to the paint.

I'm glad the paint is ok. We just had the main road to work shut down for the last month or so, so pedestrians and bicyclists would have a separate path, which bicyclists will ignore and continue to ride in traffic, like they always do.
 
Forget is people. @Dragos80 is a troll. Even @ss#oles are allowed to own 80s. Send me your email, I'll get you the name of a proctologist to help pull your head out.

Unsubscribed.
 
I almost see accidents on daily bases around here. mostly on the freeway. 2, 3, 4 cars even.

With the car I DD I am always afraid of the cars behind me during some panic stop. I always keep my eyes pinned to the rear view mirror during such events. I got Earth axis shifting brakes on my car.
Believe me, if I see a LC behind me, I change lanes. I'll have someone else take it in the behind and I'll just watch. Pervert, what can I say?
 
From an older thread:

here are stopping distances for stock trucks...

1999 LC
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 150 ft.

1998 LC
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 140 ft.

Braking 60-0 mph: 135 feet (2005 model)

2003 LX470
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 124.24 ft.
1997 LX450
Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 132 ft.

1996 LX450
60-0 mph stopping distance of 136 feet

2003 GX470
Braking, 60-0, ft: 131

FJ Cruiser
60 - 0 (ft):, 126.6
60-0 mph, 128 ft
 
I think the only reason you should worry about "safety" is if the LC is not in tip top shape, and it breaks down. but as far as wrecks.. you will be fine haha
 
Bloody Hell is this still running?

I am a mechanic by trade, every day I drive other peoples vehicles, and with this in mind I think it is fair to say I am in a better position than many here, when it comes to evaluating a vehicle, not just the brakes but all the other attributes it may or may not have.

Something that is missing in this entire thread is the fact the 80 is made by Toyota (bear with me), now if you drive another marque for example BMW you will find the braking is different, in the same way the steering is different, the ride is different, even the sound of the door closing is different.

Have you ever wondered when you go into a shop to buy a television, that the picture quality/brightness/colours (despite all having the latest technology) are different? It is because every manufacture has a different opinion on what the colour white looks like. TV's are set up from the get go on the colour white. Hence why a Panasonic will look like another Panasonic, and not look like a Hitachi, and thus you cannot compare outside of the brand.

OK TV purchase school is out, but it does prove my point, each manufacture has an opinion on how a vehicle should drive/handle/brake/steer.

I recently overhauled the brakes on my 80, I used slotted and dimpled discs, I was hoping to reduce some of the fade that shows when shall we say 'driving enthusiastically'? Did it work? Well if I compared the additional cost over stock versus what I gained in the real world then no, they were improved but that's all.

The 80 is what it is.....old technology, the brakes work ok if they are maintained correctly and you drive within the stopping distance OF THAT PARTICLAR VEHCILE!

regards

Dave
 
While I was getting ready for work today, I started thinking about aftermarket bumpers and crumple zones.

Does anyone else wonder why the vehicles which are designed to survive the most spectacular crashes, such as race cars and Ag planes, are built of rigid steel tube and don't have crumple zones? What they do have is a relatively elaborate set of belts holding the tender bits inside them.

I hypothesize that a good aftermarket bumper DOES directly transmit the force of the crash into the frame and the rest of the structure, but the more massive and solid/supported that structure is, the better it distributes that force. And as long as the tender bit doesn't get flung outside of the structure, or have something pointy penetrate into/through the structure, the chances of survival are good.
 
Something I didn't realize until a couple months back is that crash ratings are relative and compare vehicles in same class (i.e weight). As others have mentioned, every accident/vehicle is different, and comparatively speaking, a newer Land Cruiser would probably be safer than it's 20 plus yr old ancestor. Therefore, if safety is your primary concern above all else, get yourself a new Land Cruiser or similar sized SUV with the best crash ratings. Personally, I would be fine with my 97LX transporting my kids, and have done so without concern for almost 10 yrs. What would concern me is making sure all mechanical systems in a 20 plus yr old vehicle have been/are properly maintained and in proper functioning order.
 
I agree with Dave 2000, the feel is a big factor. The initial brake bite on the 80 is lacking, but I can feel it increase exponentially while standing on the pedal, especially after they have warmed up. (I run Hawk severe duty in the front and light truck in the rear and cold bit isn't great.) Newer cars have that head thru the windshield hard bite because people must like it, I can't stand it myself, I like a good modulation like on older cars.

Its the same as driving style. If you jerk the wheel around and stab the brake/gas your passenger thinks you are driving fast, but if you actually drive fast but smooth, they may not even notice how fast you go.
 
Depends on the accident. I think nothing will be safer than a brand spankin new MDX or something along those lines, but if you don't have $40 grand, you're going to have to start making compromises.

If you actually need an 80 for lifestyle reasons (off-roading, camping, etc), I think the 80 is probably the safest vehicle that also offers real off-road hardware (solid front axle). I would trust an 80 in a collision any day over a jeep JK, I'll put it that way.

FWIW, I got in a 45mph rollover accident in a 90's vintage 4runner and all three passengers were fine. If we were hit by a bus, might have been a different story. But for a 90's vehicle, these toyota trucks are pretty stout.

If you're looking to spend some money on a newer model, look into the newer 4runners. Modern safety ratings, but can still get some work done off road with the proper mods.
 

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