Trade '62 VW Panel Bus for Trade

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

EDITED 1/1/12

My wife and I are relocating to Colorado, and I need something that won't get stuck so easily on snowy mountain roads. I'm looking to trade even for an excellent example or cash plus a '78-'82 BJ40 with a hard top, preferably a 5-speed (4-speed is acceptable), power steering and AC, little to no rust (must be safe and not have issues with water leaks or bad drafts), and as close to stock as possible (modifications may be acceptable, it depends on what we're talking about and more importantly the quality of workmanship). Low mileage is preferred (more or less goes without saying, but high mileage is fine if everything checks out), as are the longer 2-person jump seats (not sure yet if that was a stock thing or not... it's a preference is all), and everything MUST check out completely mechanically. The car up for trade is a no nonsense well maintained runner, and I need the same in return as this will be my only vehicle and I won't likely have a shop for a year or two once we get up there.

We've had a lot of amazing memories with this bus including:

TheSamba.com :: View topic - An Irresponsible Adventure: Andy the Bus

This bus was the getaway car for our wedding, and:

TheSamba.com :: View topic - Honeymoon Road Trip: 4K Miles in a '62 Panel (With Photos!)

Among many others. This is my daily driver (only car) and it doesn't let me down. It's a very fast bus (as far as buses go), and I have absolutely zero trouble keeping up with Dallas traffic, and other buses in my car club have a hard time keeping up with me. It was recently repainted with Krylon Global Blue. Why spray paint you ask? Because when we were prepping it we found some pretty awesome logo work, and I wanted to be able to get the blue back off easily (will come off with graffiti remover instead of having to sand everything off).

TheSamba.com :: View topic - Handy Andy TV and Appliance (Now with Photos!)

Everything else has been done as well as it can be in 2010/11. It's currently registered as a Classic Car in Texas, which means it has to pass all inspections save emissions (you can register it as an antique if you want and avoid the inspections, but it'll pass with flying colors).

All window rubbers are brand new, as are both windshields (the originals were separating and hazing at the edges and then a nasty rock chip finished off the drivers' side). I have new door seals for all doors, but didn't ever install them because the originals are in such good shape. I recently (at the time of the repaint) reamed the door hinge pins up one size and put new pins in, so the doors open and close like they should with minimal effort. I get between 17 and 22 mpg depending on highway/city mix and how punchy I'm feeling. Fuel fillings, oil changes, valve adjustments, repairs, etc. are all fully documented.

I've replaced the entire brake system with brand new, high quality parts (WW or better) including brand new (NOS Frum) rear drums, two new brake backing plates, stainless flex lines, and I even replaced all of the hard lines for good measure.

Everything electric is either new or the best original I could find when new was not as high quality as the original. The only thing that's working less than perfect is one of the park lights doesn't work (bad ground connection); since it's just a park light, I figured I wouldn't mess with it until I get into the headlights for something that matters (headlight goes out or something).

The engine is a brand new Lyle Cherry built 1600dp with a 110 cam, VintageSpeed stainless exhaust, ACN SVDA w/ Pertronix, dual Weber 40IDFs jetted by ACN w/ CB Performance linkage, Gene Berg full-flow oil filtration, Gene Berg Equalizer, CB Performance Porsche-style oil filler, new Bosch 12V alternator, oil pressure gauge w/ stock idiot light sender, oil temperature gauge, cylinder head temp gauge, and every single piece of cooling tin and even every single screw in its place. I have a 4500 RPM rev limiter (Bosch of course) in place just as a safety measure to ensure that my lead foot doesn't interfere with my babying. All of this puts the power down through a 3.88 tranny w/ stock RGBs. Since this is my daily driver and I can't miss or be late to work, I've spared nothing getting this bus running perfect, and it does. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it across country (and plan to do just that in the event a suitable trade is found to prove the bus's roadworthiness, the roadworthiness of the 40, and because I doubt there are too many BJ42s within a reasonable distance of Dallas).

Inside, the factory seat covers are still there (tan now instead of gray after 50 years of sun and use), the afore mentioned gauges are attached to the dash using the screws from the headlight and e-flasher switches (no new holes), 12V fuel gauge is there and works like it should, speedo works, but reads about 18% faster than reality due to it having 14" wheels instead of the correct 15" wheels (came to me like that and didn't want to change them until I needed new tires). There is a top of the line RetroSound radio w/ the mp3 player hookup hidden under the dash and a cigarette lighter power point also hidden, and a single stereo speaker in the stock location (see their website, and just see the top of the line everything that works for the bus). I have a cab divider (a reproduction using original glass, supports and rubber), and cleanly installed three point retractable seat belts ( TheSamba.com :: View topic - Clean 3-Point Seat Belt Install (By Request) ).

In the back is a rock and roll bed that was modified to go on the passenger side with a freshly rebuilt box using the highest furniture grade plywood. Our ultimate intent inspired by the Bumfuzzle bus:

bumfuzzle | sept 2007

But life has other things in store...

Fun things that come with the bus are a roof rack, e-brake extension, shifter extension, spare tire emergency gas can (14"), and probably a number of other VW-related odds and ends that we don't want to move or store.

Downsides: rust that I haven't yet repaired in cab floor (not enough to be noticeable unless you're looking for it), a little in the pass-side rocker (again, you need to be looking for it, and it's all on the inside), the battery tray has some small holes (again, not enough to be a concern of any sort), and some light surface stuff in the passenger floor. It had some body work done in the early '70s (some light filler in the rear belt line near the rear hatch), and there are light dents and dings here and there. Finally, I haven't really touched the suspension. It's a '63 front beam and I would like to rebuild it (it's essentially the only thing that hasn't been rebuilt), but there's really nothing wrong with it, I'm just anal. Obviously, it's been painted a spray can blue, which is hardly original, but I preserved as much as I could under it and the paint on the inside and the seat cover are 100% original. I have detailed photos of what's under the blue for restoration purposes.

The bus was originally a TV Repair truck for a small electronics store chain (5 stores) in Northern California. When repainting the bus for my wedding this past spring, we discovered the logo work under the '70s repaint. I was able to get in touch with, of all people, the manager of the Sacramento store (where this bus was) when the bus was purchased new in '62 (he's still alive and retired in Arizona). He gave me the full history, a few photos, and some details for restoring the logo work (all of this naturally comes with the bus). They had two '59s, and then bought four more in '62. All of them had similar paint schemes (the photo of is one of the '59s). More information available to the buyer for restoration/information purposes.

I don't want to add up receipts and such (because it'll just make me even more depressed about having to let it go), but I know I have AT LEAST $18-20K in this bus. Other buses in similar aesthetic condition are going on the Samba right now between $10-15K, and this is electrically/mechanically as good or better than any other bus out there. No strippers or flippers, just people who can truly appreciate what this car is and what it means and have the time and energy to take care of it. Most of the expensive stuff (save paint) has already been taken care of, and all of the parts, as previously mentioned, are top quality, so it shouldn't be too much to keep him going as long as you take the time to properly maintain him.

107.jpg

59side1.jpg
 
Last edited:
I'm looking to trade even or cash plus a '83-'84 BJ42 with a hard top, preferably a 5-speed, no rust, and as close to stock as possible. Low mileage is preferred (obviously), and everything must check out completely mechanically.

Nice, but not very realistic, I'm afraid.

This is what you're asking to trade for, almost exactly:

Toyota : Land Cruiser Toyota : Land Cruiser | eBay

Here's a nice one with a 4 speed:

https://forum.ih8mud.com/vehicles-trailers-sale-wanted/545007-bj42-1982-sale-florida.html
 
I don't know about an eBay auction being an indicator (any more than Barrett Jackson where a bus went for a quarter million this past summer) of anything more than the absolute max anyone is willing to pay for anything, but $15K is about what I would reasonably expect to get selling it straight (which would be a good idea save for the period between selling the bus and finding the 40 where I would be without a car), so the asking price of $16K of the non-eBay ad isn't far off (save it's RHD). There's a guy on the Samba right now trying to trade a RHD diesel Troop carrier for an early bus (but I don't want to mess with RHD and don't want something that big).

Here are other panels in about the same price range for reference as to whether or not I'm being too optimistic:

TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - ratty 1957 panel
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - 63 Double Door Panel with Inflatable Friends!!
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - 1957 slow-cow panel
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - 1963 panel bus dove blue
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - 1963 Panel Bus, Almost Fully Restored
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - Double door panel , awesome patina!
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - 1960 walk thur panel
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - 58 walkthrough double door panel in UK MOT
TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - double door walkthrough press bumper panel
 
Also, with the eBay one (I haven't figured out how to edit a post on this forum yet...), never trust new paint on an old car. I saw that particular auction and watched it, but wouldn't consider it for a second without complete photographic documentation of every minute of work. For one, the guy is a dealer (never a good sign). Two, that paint sure is pretty, but if they went through all of that work to make the outside look pretty, why does the engine look so grungy? That's lack of attention to detail. No telling what else was glossed over (or filled then painted over).

I would rather see a ten year old paint job (if not original) with scratches and dents and holes in the upholstery than something with a paint job less than 2 years old.
 
Agreed. I personally prefer original paint with rust over new paint, but...

Low mileage, no rust, 5-speed, diesel and checks out completely mechanically is $20000 and pretty much not available in LHD unless you build it yourself from a clean CA or AZ fj40. I've looked at thousands of ads over the last 6 years and that ebay one is about as good as it gets.

There's a 5-speed listed almost constantly on the SFBay CL with a gas engine for $7500. 5-speed was more rare than you want it to be and a $4000-5000 swap if you don't do it yourself.

Nice one here, but it's RHD and I think it's a four speed: 1983 Toyota Land Cruiser BJ42 - FJ40 Toyota Land Cruisers, Land Rovers and Classic Cars for Sale at C-A-R-S.COM

And a nice BJ70, 5-speed, LHD with some rust (blame Canada) for $22k: 1986 Toyota Land Cruiser BJ70 - FJ40 Toyota Land Cruisers, Land Rovers and Classic Cars for Sale at C-A-R-S.COM
 
Nice, but not very realistic, I'm afraid.

This is what you're asking to trade for, almost exactly:

Toyota : Land Cruiser Toyota : Land Cruiser | eBay

Somebody sure got screwed on that deal. That thing is LOADED with bondo. You can tell by the missing body seams on the rear sill.

The OP is correct about comparing eBay prices to reality. Most of the people bidding rediculous prices for Land Cruisers never actually complete the sale. I think this thing is competitively priced.

Anyways, great bus. I used to have one, althogh not quite as pretty as yours. Good luck with the sale.
 
The crazy thing is it didn't actually sell for that! Search eBay again for BJ42 and you'll see where the seller relisted it with a buy it now price of $40K... I'm not familiar enough with 40s yet to have caught the missing seam, but I did notice the grunge in the engine compartment and under the car that was clearly not even hosed down while they were applying filler and fresh paint... The drivers side ambulance door is pretty saggy. At first I thought the weight of the spare was hard on the hinge, then I realized they aren't connected... That's a bad sign no matter how you look at it... The dust alone is enough to compromise the paint job, let along the obvious lack of attention to detail (rusty winch, rust all over underneath, etc.)... I wouldn't pay more than $5K for that... It's going to need EASILY $15K worth of metal/paint/body work alone just to get it to where it's worth even $20K...

Meanwhile, back to the topic at hand, my requirements are clearly for the "ideal". My ideal may be a $20K specimen, and that wouldn't be a reasonable trade. As I stated in a subsequent post, old paint with a little rust is OK (no rust through and nothing serious, it'll be a few years before I'm able to tackle anything that requires significant down time like replacing/repairing a tub would require), torn upholstery doesn't bother me, a 4-speed wouldn't hurt my feelings too much, etc.

My bus isn't perfect (a suspension rebuild and paint are needed for that as stated in the original post), so I don't expect a perfect car in trade. My bus IS reliable, and that's what I'm looking for. My bus is easily an honest $15K (maybe even more if I went the auction route). It's better than some of the ads I listed (from the Mud equivalent in the VW world), not as good as others, and I think it's safe to say they won't all sell for asking price, so I'm looking for a BJ42 that's worth about the same. I would just sell it and buy a BJ outright, but I can't go without a vehicle during the interim (and I doubt a buyer/seller would wait until I was able to swing the other half to complete the deal). My bus is a cool and practical car here in Dallas, but I'm moving to a place that I will need four wheel drive for half the year, and I can't afford to just buy another car right now, so I've got to try to trade.

I should also say, a trade from Canada would be fine too. It's not too hard to import one really, and I think it would be a good proof of reliability to drive to somewhere halfway to swap. Diesel 40s are hard to find here, and buses that aren't missing the bottom 6 inches are hard to find there. An even trade keeps the taxes low too. :)
 
Last edited:
http://www.off-road.com/trucks-4x4/tech/40-series-specific-information-19410.html#HD_NM_9

If that timeline is correct, I could go as far back as 1981-2 and still get what I'm looking for, and the 79 is a series of tradeoffs that can for the most part be changed when funds allow. Truthfully, the idea of an early 80s digital clock in the dash is a bit of a turn off... Maybe I should be looking at 81-82 models instead and open to a good '79. It doesn't sound like a 5-speed is too hard to put in...

I'm still very new to these and still learning terminology and such. It's weird having later models being more desirable. With VWs, you want them as old as you can afford/find parts for.
 
Lots of 5 speeds around... Not so many 5 speeds with the right top cover for a 40/42. That is really the holy grail...
 
How about a revisit on the trade in question: a BJ40 would actually be preferred. I'm still in the learning phase, so things are still coming into focus insofar as the differences between models and years. I definitely want the higher gearing, but the 5-speed can be installed later and relatively easily along with a trick transfer case.

For additional reference, I was at Barnes and Noble yesterday looking for books on 4 wheel drive suspension and such, and there is a collector's car blue book. The most conservative value for my bus puts it at just under $14K. It wasn't Kelly, which normally tends to run low in my experience, so I don't know how it runs compared to the actual market. Maybe a bit low compared to the ads listed above, but about in keeping with what I imagine actual sale prices would be. My '58 Deluxe Beetle, when finished, was in that book for $13-$21K essentially depending on how well the paint and such turns out. FJ/BJ40s were not listed in the book at all. :(
 
Wicked bus man! I've owned multiple vintage vw's and they are awesome. It would be cool if you could throw 4WD on the bus. Best of luck with the sale/trade!

~Daniel
 
I edited the first post to reflect my rise from complete ignorance of 40s. I probably would have done so sooner, but it seems you aren't allowed to edit until you've got a few posts under your belt...
 
You think you're going to find a stock LHD power steering BJ?

You can find a serviceable RHD ex-Oz truck for 15g... IFFF you are there when it goes for sale.

If your move has any sort of deadline, you'll miss it. Buy a good fj40 and swap a cummins B3.3 while you are waiting to sell. Look for a not stock example with the minitruck Ps install.

Or better yet, if snow is your concern, a subie with blizzacks will work best. Or an 80, or anything with a limited slip awd transfer case. Old school 4wd was shown up in snow 25 years ago.
 
I don't want anything that's too deviated from stock because I'm extremely anal with my cars and don't trust anyone else's work when it comes to my safety (ever had a single circuit master brake cylinder fail on you because a "professional" didn't bend a line enough or been stranded in the middle of Tennessee in the dead of night because someone used a sub-standard part deep in your engine?). Stock is far less likely to present any issues beyond normal wear and tear or otherwise well known/supported design/manufacturing faults. AWD is fine and good, but I don't want anything with a non-user serviceable parts (aka computer stuff or anything requiring a bunch of extra special tools) which will almost assuredly be the case with anything new/hi tech enough to be AWD. A bi-metallic flasher element is about as "hip" as I care to be as far as technology goes. A modest lift, tires, seat covers, aftermarket radio, winch, whatever are all fine deviations from stock (easily put back or livable and don't affect mechanical function). Things that are not fine are engine swaps (I don't trust shade tree welds or measurements, and I find that most professional shops put out pretty crappy work by my standards), axle swaps (same), any major body work (filler and I have a sordid history). From what I've seen so far, the quality of aftermarket parts on these cars is pretty good, but I'd rather be able to make that call myself if/when it comes to modification.

I do all of my own work from engine rebuilds, wiring, brakes, welding, paint and body, making sure things are torqued to correct spec, etc. and I know I do it to my standards (factory or better, never one iota worse, never a cut corner). If it's stock I don't have to crawl around to check welds, use my X-ray specs to see through undercoating, bed liner, or candy coated filler bombs. I won't likely find a BJ40 around here prior to my move, so I'll be relegated to inspecting any potential cars through photos, and it's even harder to spot shoddy welds and such from across the continent.
 
No offense.... but the chances of an all original, low mile, LHD BJ coming up for sale, (and the owner actually wanting to trade for that bus) are like the planets coming into alignment.

You are better served to take the $10K you'll get for that VW (if your lucky in this economy) and put it towards a down payment on something.

Pipe dream sir, pipe dream....
 
UPDATE:

I worked out a deal where I can borrow a truck for the interim between selling the bus and buying a BJ40/42. It's on Craigslist, the Samba, and eBay. $15K obo. Bidding on eBay is currently at $7K with 6 days to go.

Volkswagen : Bus/Vanagon Volkswagen : Bus/Vanagon | eBay

If it meets the conservative reserve, it sells and I'll be looking for the sort of vehicle mentioned above. If you've got one to sell in the next few weeks, let me know.
 
Good luck!
 
I wonder what ever happened to this guy? I love VW's and his had a cool factor but I think he was trying to shoot and kill an elephant with a BB gun.
 
Good question and I'd love to see what he ended up with. Love VW buses...be pretty awesome in 4WD!

-Daniel

Sent from deep in the mountains of Honduras using only sticks and rocks.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top Bottom