Not sure why anyone would want more than 1 really. Unless one is a parts car. One is enough for me.....80s is a perfect DO IT ALL rig. Kind of a swiss army knife - jack of all trades. But nothing it does particularly well....
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I have 6 drivers in my household. It's a built in 4x4 club for family vacations and after school trips up the mountain. I go screw around in the snow and get stuck. Do I wait hours for off-road recovery, or call my daughter? We all drive and camp. It's the right rig for river guiding, fishing guiding, desert, mountain, and snow.
Edit: Besides that, YOU try telling my daughter she can't have a Land Cruiser because we only need one! I tried buying a brand new 4Runner TRD for my wife when my son wrecked our first cruiser in 2016. After driving it she said it wasn't as good as the 80 and that's all she wants. If she's driving the replacement 80, then what am I supposed to drive? People need to get their priorities straight.
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do some or all or no 3FE FJ80 's have a FULL FLOATING Rear Axle ?
I do not believe so.
- this is a OEM TOYOTA heavy duty chrome foil type air box decal
- this is where i mounted in on my 3FE
- i am proudly dawning it
- this is where i mounted in on my 3FE
- i am proudly dawning it
3FE Engine Platform Specific JAPAN Market / JAPAN spec. NON-USA OEM TOYOTA Heavy Duty CHROME FOIL Type AIR Cleaner Box Decal Sticker FJ62 FJ80 - VintageTEqParts.com
- - NON-USA OEM TOYOTA JAPAN Spec. - Heavy Duty CHROME FOIL Type - AIR Cleaner Box Decal Sticker - FJ40 FJ55...
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So the date is set to try and get my 2fe in my 80 which is on the other side of the country from me. April 15th in Fuquay Varina NC.
I had thought a friend had pulled my 3fe last september but found out yesterday it hasn't been touched. So i'll be pulling the 3fe, swapping all needed parts to the 2fe, installing along with a body lift and then get he stand alone ecu to run.
Then later in the year when I get it back to me in WA i'll be doing the turbo install.
My truck looking sad how it sits currently.
Can't find a picture of the 2fe currently but this is the specs on it
Specs:
Head was refreshed with new exhaust valves, cleaned, pressure tested, shaved 0.030 and valve job
Oil gallery port tapped and plugged
Late model 2F block
Bored .75mm or 0.030" over
New Toyota lifters
New pistons, main bearings, rod bearings, cam bearings, timing gears
Reground cam Delta 250s
Duration intake 250
Duration exhaust 254
Intakes opens 17, closes 58
Exhaust opens 60 closes 14
cam rise .255 L/C 108 degrees
Lash intake .014 exhaust .014
Injectors professionally cleaned and flow tested
New fuel pulse dampener
3FE Distributor
MSD 6A multispark controller
The entire rotating assembly of this engine was balanced - this is what makes this motor special. It will spin 5k effortlessly and that's where I have the rev limit set. I'm currently running a H55F and the gear spacing is such that I rarely spin it over 4,500. I had the engine WOT dyno tuned and it makes 144RWHP and 206ft*lbs:
View attachment 2600551
At the time I had worn out tires on the my 40, and the tuner didn't trust running it WOT in 4th, so this was the results in 3rd gear. I will tell you, and others who have ridden in my truck will confirm, this thing has a TON more power than any stock 2F or 3FE.
MegaSquirt MS2 controller:
I built this controller and have done most of the tuning myself. This setup allows you to completely control timing, fueling, idle speed, etc etc. Included is a bluetooth adapter that allows tuning and dashboard monitoring via laptop or tablet. I'll throw in my POS tablet that I currently have mounted to my dash, but highly recommend a more elegant solution. The tablet is old, in bad condition, but working. You can see the tablet in the videos below.
Cold start: I have had some issues with cold start. I've been able to tune them out for the most part, but ran out of talent and cold days to get it really good. It still takes several revolutions on a really cold day to start. And honestly, this setup takes an extra crank rev or two to start than stock at all conditions. However, it does always fire up and idles very nicely, immediately.
Oil leaks:
One at the front of the engine: I've confirmed this leak is from the front crank seal, and I've replaced the seal and it still leaks, so the crank pulley will need a speedi-sleeve. Also, there is a seeping leak at the rear passenger side of the engine I believe to be coming from the side cover. Will confirm when the engine is pulled. Couple of drips after parked.
Leak Down Test:
Below are the numbers from each cylinder from a leakdown test. I used a Snap-On and it shows 10-30% as "low" (leakage), 40-70% as "moderate", for reference. Note, that my testing was just using the dizzy rotor position bumped by the starter to get each cylinder to its TDC and I think I had some leakage from the exhaust due to being just past TDC when the exhaust valve was just starting to open (I could hear some air in the exhaust and some in the crankcase)
1 - 7%
2 - 20%
3 - 25%
4 - 15%
5 - 18%
6 - 10%
Compression Test:
Performed with engine warm, dry test. Did not do a wet test.
1 - 190PSI
2 - 175PSI
3 - 180PSI
4 - 175PSI
5 - 180PSI
6 - 185PSI
And the turbo kit that will eventually be installed.
Pics are from a 62 that I bought it from
I had thought a friend had pulled my 3fe last september but found out yesterday it hasn't been touched. So i'll be pulling the 3fe, swapping all needed parts to the 2fe, installing along with a body lift and then get he stand alone ecu to run.
Then later in the year when I get it back to me in WA i'll be doing the turbo install.
My truck looking sad how it sits currently.
Can't find a picture of the 2fe currently but this is the specs on it
Specs:
Head was refreshed with new exhaust valves, cleaned, pressure tested, shaved 0.030 and valve job
Oil gallery port tapped and plugged
Late model 2F block
Bored .75mm or 0.030" over
New Toyota lifters
New pistons, main bearings, rod bearings, cam bearings, timing gears
Reground cam Delta 250s
Duration intake 250
Duration exhaust 254
Intakes opens 17, closes 58
Exhaust opens 60 closes 14
cam rise .255 L/C 108 degrees
Lash intake .014 exhaust .014
Injectors professionally cleaned and flow tested
New fuel pulse dampener
3FE Distributor
MSD 6A multispark controller
The entire rotating assembly of this engine was balanced - this is what makes this motor special. It will spin 5k effortlessly and that's where I have the rev limit set. I'm currently running a H55F and the gear spacing is such that I rarely spin it over 4,500. I had the engine WOT dyno tuned and it makes 144RWHP and 206ft*lbs:
View attachment 2600551
At the time I had worn out tires on the my 40, and the tuner didn't trust running it WOT in 4th, so this was the results in 3rd gear. I will tell you, and others who have ridden in my truck will confirm, this thing has a TON more power than any stock 2F or 3FE.
MegaSquirt MS2 controller:
I built this controller and have done most of the tuning myself. This setup allows you to completely control timing, fueling, idle speed, etc etc. Included is a bluetooth adapter that allows tuning and dashboard monitoring via laptop or tablet. I'll throw in my POS tablet that I currently have mounted to my dash, but highly recommend a more elegant solution. The tablet is old, in bad condition, but working. You can see the tablet in the videos below.
Cold start: I have had some issues with cold start. I've been able to tune them out for the most part, but ran out of talent and cold days to get it really good. It still takes several revolutions on a really cold day to start. And honestly, this setup takes an extra crank rev or two to start than stock at all conditions. However, it does always fire up and idles very nicely, immediately.
Oil leaks:
One at the front of the engine: I've confirmed this leak is from the front crank seal, and I've replaced the seal and it still leaks, so the crank pulley will need a speedi-sleeve. Also, there is a seeping leak at the rear passenger side of the engine I believe to be coming from the side cover. Will confirm when the engine is pulled. Couple of drips after parked.
Leak Down Test:
Below are the numbers from each cylinder from a leakdown test. I used a Snap-On and it shows 10-30% as "low" (leakage), 40-70% as "moderate", for reference. Note, that my testing was just using the dizzy rotor position bumped by the starter to get each cylinder to its TDC and I think I had some leakage from the exhaust due to being just past TDC when the exhaust valve was just starting to open (I could hear some air in the exhaust and some in the crankcase)
1 - 7%
2 - 20%
3 - 25%
4 - 15%
5 - 18%
6 - 10%
Compression Test:
Performed with engine warm, dry test. Did not do a wet test.
1 - 190PSI
2 - 175PSI
3 - 180PSI
4 - 175PSI
5 - 180PSI
6 - 185PSI
And the turbo kit that will eventually be installed.
Pics are from a 62 that I bought it from
Any advantage of the 2FE v 3FE? More high end torque, right?
better TQ all around, slightly more HP all around better motor but its also 2" or so taller so a BL needs to be installed or cut the hood. Basically a 3fe stroker motor using all yota parts.
Most 2FE's are made to run off the 3fe ECU but this one is on a standalone micro squirt and has been build a bit more extreme. If Memory serves its around 210 HP and over 300 TQ at the motor after another dyno run and correcting for tires. There are a few threads, mostly in the 60's section that goes into more details between the two. I've only seen 3 80's that have done the conversion here on mud.
This one has about 3,000 miles on it unitll the power bug really big my friend and he went vortec 6.0. I'll mess around with it NA for a while and then add the huffer. Then i'll most likely get bored and go vortec or diesel since I have a few sitting around and give the motor and turbo set up to a friend.
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Good to know! Best of luck with it!
Somebody care to tell me wtf the ATF fill hole is before I pour this stuff down the dipstick hole? Thanks in advance
there is no fill hole. I put ATF in via the dipstick for A440F
I would’ve never guessed that. Appreciate it, man.
measure the fluid level with engine running and warm. Good luck
reminds me of doing the Rodney flush. It was cool to see it just sucking new fluid in and pumping old gross stuff out. I don’t even think I had to adjust the atf level afterwards.
check your fluid level per. the FSM and owners manual TECH. and instructions prior to draining it out via the 14mm HEX service plug on bottom of the ATF pan .....
- drain it ALL into a NEW 2.5 gallon heavy duty painters pail bucket , that you also have purchased a matching lid for too , DON'T forget the LID !
- there white or translucent whit'ish in color enough to see the fluid line clearly resting flat and level on your work bench ...
- put 3 hatch marks using a black sharpie around the outside of the bucket , then pour it all out into another exact same bucket you have also purchased ...
- presto ! as long as the ATF level on the dip stick was correct when you inspected it at warm operating temp. earlier , you now know exactly how much new Fully Synthetic ATF to re-install VIA the dip stick tube mentioned above .
- without having to guess at the latter part of filling 25+ times by pulling the dip stick and waiting for the engine to warm up and burning your hands etc ...
- i only ever check the dipstick twice , the 2nd time is just to double check the first time ...
- NOT making a mess here ATF everywhere is also a result of this approach ...
- it works like a charm , never any after thought or guess work ever again.,....
- THIS IS THE WAY ...
good evening fellow 3FE owner operators ..
i have concluded that this thread , the special place it indeed is i have observed , is the perfect little corner of mud to both spark a new 3FE anything and everything idea i have had on my self prescribed ART Theropy time schedule for some time now ...
i know sorta , that TOYOTA dropped the ball and or the pro-date range of the 3FE some how missed that band wagon when it comes to the ENGINE bays of both a FJ62 and a FJ80 , on the topic of general information via , Labels , Plates , and such ....
in other words i feel my 3FE was left out in the COLD , but after some digging into this matter , it seams we all were ?
what i speak of is this
- NO air box maintenance and service decals ?
- no notable washer fluid decals on the windshield or the head lamps bottles ?
- the vacuum routing diagram white one , is well need a telescope small !
- now what simply makes me sad , is there is no notable fancy 3FE badge or logo emblem to denote just that ....
- only the nice , however plain jane generic EFI badge PLATE on the intake top .....
- ok ? almost all Toyotas of that era had same in kind that topic too .....
- i guess now is a good time to mention , i have 100% period correct reproduced both the main stay 3F carb non usa engine badge , that also has all the tune up specs on it , and the HYBRYD 3FE TOYOTA Fire brigade rare as rare bird , directly from the one sitting nicely in the HERITAGE Muesum right now ...
- so , i have decided to not only EDIT them , but to modernize them in a 100% OEM factory focus points mind set approach philosophy ...
- and i both need and am asking for help to do just that ......
- below i am going to post 2 stand alone images of a starting point , base line i would absolutely like to have all of you here i 3FE check in , please check out , and then we start a very much group effort to discuss this topic .....
- the first image is how far i have gotten on the 3FE fire brigade variant ....however it is in NO WAY complete ...
fyi
then below that the main 3F carb smaller one ...
thanks
matt
i have concluded that this thread , the special place it indeed is i have observed , is the perfect little corner of mud to both spark a new 3FE anything and everything idea i have had on my self prescribed ART Theropy time schedule for some time now ...
i know sorta , that TOYOTA dropped the ball and or the pro-date range of the 3FE some how missed that band wagon when it comes to the ENGINE bays of both a FJ62 and a FJ80 , on the topic of general information via , Labels , Plates , and such ....
in other words i feel my 3FE was left out in the COLD , but after some digging into this matter , it seams we all were ?
what i speak of is this
- NO air box maintenance and service decals ?
- no notable washer fluid decals on the windshield or the head lamps bottles ?
- the vacuum routing diagram white one , is well need a telescope small !
- now what simply makes me sad , is there is no notable fancy 3FE badge or logo emblem to denote just that ....
- only the nice , however plain jane generic EFI badge PLATE on the intake top .....
- ok ? almost all Toyotas of that era had same in kind that topic too .....
- i guess now is a good time to mention , i have 100% period correct reproduced both the main stay 3F carb non usa engine badge , that also has all the tune up specs on it , and the HYBRYD 3FE TOYOTA Fire brigade rare as rare bird , directly from the one sitting nicely in the HERITAGE Muesum right now ...
- so , i have decided to not only EDIT them , but to modernize them in a 100% OEM factory focus points mind set approach philosophy ...
- and i both need and am asking for help to do just that ......
- below i am going to post 2 stand alone images of a starting point , base line i would absolutely like to have all of you here i 3FE check in , please check out , and then we start a very much group effort to discuss this topic .....
- the first image is how far i have gotten on the 3FE fire brigade variant ....however it is in NO WAY complete ...
fyi
then below that the main 3F carb smaller one ...
thanks
matt
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lastly ,
i like surprises alot , so here is one ,,,,
feast your eyes on this ...
this is also part , in part only of my path of suggestion i lay down here to grown roots and multiply !
then report back your thoughts please ...
thanks
matt
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i like surprises alot , so here is one ,,,,
feast your eyes on this ...
this is also part , in part only of my path of suggestion i lay down here to grown roots and multiply !
then report back your thoughts please ...
thanks
matt
.
@ToyotaMatt Are those data plates on your site? Can't find it. Definitely want it! Another idea is maybe a period correct (looks only as it doesn't exist to my knowledge) exterior 3fe badge.
these badges simply ROCK !
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