Now I don't care that it's not going to be available in the USA. Yuck
300 series rumors???
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Now I don't care that it's not going to be available in the USA. Yuck
This is a joke right? It's not a land cruiser if it doesn't have a tailgate. That may be the most enduring and iconic part of a land cruiser.
Bludozer
SILVER Star
s*** I didn't realize all the models with barn doors weren't actually cruisers!
The barn door equipped 40s, (possibly 55s), 60s, 70s, 80s, 100s and 200s would all disagree.
Blah.
What would you rather have? Barn door or tailgate?
Bludozer
SILVER Star
Tailgate.
Obviously not aimed at me but I'm an absolute tailgate fan. I've got a few barn door variants, I'm not in love
Of course the tail gate is better.
But sometimes you've gotta piss with the cock you've got.
Agreed. ...But to purposefully delete the tailgate? It's a little bit crazy IMHO. Doesn't that leave only range rover with a spit tail?
This whole time I’m looking at these leaked photos and nobody thought “let’s get a close up of the cup holders”. 
while it will have nothing to do with off pavement travel, the X5 does have a tailgate.
The one advantage of the lift gate is when it’s rainy.
Not a tail gate? looks like it here. That would suck if not. Suppose it depends on what pictures you believe.
They had to add back a detail that old cruisers have after the tailgate delete.
I really don't understand the fuss about the tailgate. Sure, I like it, and it can be useful, but it can also be a pain in the butt and an annoyance.
No tailgate means just one panel to open (vs two), a larger hatch to give you more cover, and easier to reach the furthest points of the cargo area. Plus it opens up the possibility of having an opening/lowering rear window - I'd take that over a tailgate any day.
A real dealbreaker would be something like an electronic hand brake. I just had my first experience with one: mom parked her little CX5 in my garage, nose in. My travel trailer was in the other stall. CX5 battery died, so I figured "hey, no problem, let's pop that baby in neutral, push it out of the garage and I'll jump it from my LX." After some 20 minutes of wondering why the hell I couldn't move a tiny car on a level surface, I Google'd the CX5 manual and learned that in the even of a dead battery, you CANNOT disengage the hand brake. WHAT?! Cue: 1.5hrs to move all of the other vehicles, move the travel trailer, bring in the LX into the garage, jump the CX5, and reverse the process.
As of today, I view electronic hand brake the same way I view meth: not even once. F-CK THAT!
/end rant.
No tailgate means just one panel to open (vs two), a larger hatch to give you more cover, and easier to reach the furthest points of the cargo area. Plus it opens up the possibility of having an opening/lowering rear window - I'd take that over a tailgate any day.
A real dealbreaker would be something like an electronic hand brake. I just had my first experience with one: mom parked her little CX5 in my garage, nose in. My travel trailer was in the other stall. CX5 battery died, so I figured "hey, no problem, let's pop that baby in neutral, push it out of the garage and I'll jump it from my LX." After some 20 minutes of wondering why the hell I couldn't move a tiny car on a level surface, I Google'd the CX5 manual and learned that in the even of a dead battery, you CANNOT disengage the hand brake. WHAT?! Cue: 1.5hrs to move all of the other vehicles, move the travel trailer, bring in the LX into the garage, jump the CX5, and reverse the process.
As of today, I view electronic hand brake the same way I view meth: not even once. F-CK THAT!
/end rant.
One benefit of an electronic parking brake are features like brake hold and all speed cruise. Whether that outweighs the complexity, someone else can be the judge.
I'm wondering how much higher the price is going to be as compared to the 200 series.
I'm wondering how much higher the price is going to be as compared to the 200 series.
azstreamer
GOLD Star
Many Americans believe we get special pricing. Like a Brandy that is labeled VSOP which means very specially over priced. The Platinum Sequoia has a rear airbag suspension for towing which is not a consideration in the 200 series. And yet the Land Cruiser can tow 8,100 pounds versus the Sequoia 7,400 pounds.
My 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI had a level ride suspension that towed well. My 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins has been fitted with airbags in lieu of steel springs and tows well also. I am having to add some Firestone airbags to the Land Cruiser to reduce the suspension sag. Car and trailer weight will be within the numbers, but needs help to ride level.
My 2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI had a level ride suspension that towed well. My 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins has been fitted with airbags in lieu of steel springs and tows well also. I am having to add some Firestone airbags to the Land Cruiser to reduce the suspension sag. Car and trailer weight will be within the numbers, but needs help to ride level.
I don't understand the connection between those features and an electric parking brake?
My LX has "brake hold," as did my Tacoma before it. Both have normal, hand-operated parking brakes.
Pretty sure the newer 200-series have all speed cruise control, and they have the same, normal hand-operated parking brake.
The current LX has all speed cruise but even the LC never got it. I was under the impression brake hold and all speed cruise were typically tied into the electronic parking brake but maybe it's all ABS.
