2FE Conversion Question

[Rescue Wagon]

I am looking at completing a 2FE conversion and was curious which tranny would be better suited for the conversion, either the Manual that comes behind the 2F or the Auto from behind the 3FE.

I know that alot of this comes down to preference, but what I am looking at is which will be more reliable and stand up to off-roading better.

To give you an idea this will be a DD in winter, camping/hunting rig, rock crawler, and expedition rig.

Thanks
James

 

[cruiser88]

Get the manual....

 

[Rescue Wagon]

Well thats a straight foward reply.

Is there a difference in transfer cases?

 

[Moby]

Either will be fine. Ideally either a built A440F or an H55F for the overdrive though. Between either of those two it would be personal preference for auto or standard. I've got a rebuilt A440 behind mine with Rodney's Extreme valvebody and an aux cooler. I typically prefer standards so I'm continually tempted by an H55F swap but having an auto is nice for some things (I like it in the snow and offroad but again, personal preference).

Is this going in your 62 or 60?

 

[Rescue Wagon]

The 62 body is pretty badly rusted as it spent part of its life in Michigan. The 60 needs new passenger side doors but other than that it is in good shape.

So the thought is to swap the 3FE Fuel injection into the 60 as it has the better body and the manual tranny.

This is currently plan A, which is always subject to change.

 

[Joshua993]

Forgive my noob question and possible hi-jack here, but what are the advantages of the 2FE over just swapping in a 3FE? Keeping the manual tranny?

 

[Coyote808]

Fuel injecting a larger displacement engine results in more power and torque than the fuel injected smaller engine. Key words to remember NRFD, No Replacement For Displacement. Not only that, but I would prefer keeping the manual or maybe even seeing if I could get my grubby paws on a H55f.

 

[Rescue Wagon]

I do like a manual so that is what I am probably going to use.

On the 2FE conversion; I know that I will need to use the 2F push rods, but which rockers do I use the 3FE or the 2F. The last conversion I did we used the 2F push rods and 3FE rockers but there appeared to be a lot of slop.

 

[tonkota]

Either rocker arm setup. They are the same. Use the 2F lifters and pushrods.

I'd choose the A440F over the FJ60 manual. But if you had a H55 I'd go with that.

Good luck on your swap.

 

[Moby]

The 62 body is pretty badly rusted as it spent part of its life in Michigan. The 60 needs new passenger side doors but other than that it is in good shape.

So the thought is to swap the 3FE Fuel injection into the 60 as it has the better body and the manual tranny.

This is currently plan A, which is always subject to change.

You're going to have more work to put it in the 60 than the 62. Fuel tank, pump, lines, wiring, computer, exhaust... all need to go from the 62 into the 60. There was a write up in Toyota Trails a number of years ago on a 3FE swap into an FJ-60, your process for this would be the same.

Not trying to dissuade you in any way. The 3FE fuel injection is very good for its vintage (I specifically bought my 62 for the FI in spite of the auto). However it may be easier to swap the 60 body onto the 62 frame (unless the frame has rot too).

 

[nikos8]

I would go with the manual. Better mpg's. More control over your truck. The auto steals too much power form the engine and weighs more.

 

[Joshua993]

Not knowing anything about the 2F - I didn't realize it was a larger displacement engine. I know where there is on just sitting on a pallet gathering dust...

 

[samibattlemaiden]

rescue i have not done this but i read in a post the other day that someone was unhappy with the 3fe rockers and was now searching for some 2f's to put in there. it was reccently so you might be able to find it in the first couple pages.

 

[Rescue Wagon]

Thanks for the rocker info.

It might be Minipigg who is looking. I helped him with his 2FE and he said the 3FE rockers are real noisy. So I have two 2F motors so I will just use the lifters, push rods, and rockers from the 2F.

 

[samibattlemaiden]

always happey to help a mudder

 

[zebrabeefj40]

You're going to have more work to put it in the 60 than the 62. Fuel tank, pump, lines, wiring, computer, exhaust... all need to go from the 62 into the 60. There was a write up in Toyota Trails a number of years ago on a 3FE swap into an FJ-60, your process for this would be the same.

Not trying to dissuade you in any way. The 3FE fuel injection is very good for its vintage (I specifically bought my 62 for the FI in spite of the auto). However it may be easier to swap the 60 body onto the 62 frame (unless the frame has rot too).

On the flip side, I think the 2F accessory drive system works better and is better layed out than the 62. I did not have to fabricate any brackets with my conversion. Having done a 2FE conversion on an 84 FJ60 I didn't think swapping tanks and lines was all that difficult. As for the wiring harness I found that once you pulled the EFI specific sections out of the 62 harness it amounted to 4-5 wires to connect to the 60 harness (mostly 12V positive). Everything else plugged into the motor. The air cleaner and most of the rest of the 62 stuff bolts right in on a 60 as well.

I'd also vote for a manual trans. My finished conversion scooted right along with the stock FJ60 4 sp, 3.73 gears and 34" tires.

Nick

 

[Rescue Wagon]

Nick,

Thats good to hear on the simplicity of putting the 2FE into your 60.

I found a pretty good write up by a gentleman that put a 2FE into a 69 FJ40. He solved the fuel pump issue by installing an after market fuel pump on the frame. Also as far as wiring goes all he used was the Engine harness and part of the Cowl/Dash harness. And it seems the Cowl/Dash harness really depends on how much you are bringing over from the 62. And an important thing for me he shows how to do a pretty good job desmoging the engine as well.

I'm pretty much settled on doing the 2FE in the 83 FJ60 for the reasons of no rust and the manual tranny. I have started another thread on the idea of what my 60 will look like when its done. Once I start the build I will definitely start a build thread.

Thanks for everyones input.

 

[matt.mcinnes]

I run the mechanical pump on the engine to a 1Ltr surge tank. A high pressure electric pump then runs from the surge tank and back to it, the over flow from the surge tank goes back to the main tank. This eliminates the need to up grade the fuel lines from the main tank as they are not suitable for high pressure. The original mechanical pump has plenty of volume to supply the surge tank. This also keeps the high pressure system to a minimum.

Plenty more 2FE info in my build up.

Oh and I run a H55F the only way to go.

 

[pappy]

There was a write up in Toyota Trails a number of years ago on a 3FE swap into an FJ-60, your process for this would be the same.

The article you speak of was by Arron Thompson, in the July/August 2005 issue of Toyota Trails.

He actually installed a 2F block under the 3FE in his FJ62, retaining the FJ62 accessories. Here are a couple of links care of Arron, aka Tonkota here at MUD.


FJ62. Version 2F-E

Toyota Trails Engine Swap

 

[Rescue Wagon]

I did like his, but the one I found useful to my application was the one done by Jon Stewart.