22 year old Timing Belt ...

[2001LC]

Extreme (heat or cold) environment, reduce life of rubber (T-belt). This is why we see some OEM belts, very nasty at 90K/9 year, yet others are fine at twice the mile/years

98-05 non VVT has no proven history of interference in ih8mud. Many example in mud of T-belt break under load, with out valve or piston damage (interference). But will need a tow, as engine will not run.

06-07 VVT 4.7L 2UX, is interference. Examples in mud. T-belt break, require engine replaced.

This 2005 non VVT 4.7L 2UZ, was brought to me, after a T-belt service. It was diagnostic needing a new engine. I found, Cam sprocket spun on camshaft. It was believed it spun, a little more out of faze, with each start-up. Failing to run after 3rd or 4th start-up. Which means at least one cam out of faze/time, in multiple positions as engine ran and then just cranked trying to start and the crank to do a compression test on all 8 cylinders (~20 minutes of engine crank). Sprocket landed in the end on cam shaft, about 180 degrees off the mark. Engine was fine once sheared knock pin replaced, and cam bolt torque on!

Timing belt job just done. Blown engine or savable? This is interesting guys!

Happy 2020 all. Well, I spent last day of 2019, inspecting a 2005 LC w/~200K, that was towed to me. That had a Timing Belt installed a few days before coming to me Let me know your thoughts: Blown engine from interference or is there hope? Also what do you think happened? Skip story and go...

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[cwmoser]

How much is the labor cost for typical timing belt and water pump replacement these days?

In my case I was charged $670 in parts and $690 in labor, includes Timing Belt, WaterPump, etc and a Brake Fluid Flush.
Gotta take care of the brake system as I understand some parts of it are very expensive.

I've done a Timing Belt change on my Isuzu Trooper but I wanted a shop that specializes in Toyota/Lexus to do it the right way.

 

[gray rider]

That cost sounds pretty reasonable especially since it is probably no more often than 90-100k miles.

 

[aphex2k]

Not done in 22 years? Wow! I thought it was every 150,00km (what's that, 90,000 miles or so?)
I guess that makes me panic a little less wondering if mines imminently about to crap itself. But it's another job on the list of future jobs. That and heater Tees (yeah I know I know hehe)

 

[Mike NXP]

Heres the better question, has anyone ever seen a timing belt fail? lol, better yet has anyone checked out the new belts some vehicles run that actually run through a pool of oil lol

Not done in 22 years? Wow! I thought it was every 150,00km (what's that, 90,000 miles or so?)
I guess that makes me panic a little less wondering if mines imminently about to crap itself. But it's another job on the list of future jobs. That and heater Tees (yeah I know I know hehe)

Its not going to crap out . I dont think I've ever seen a timing belt fail... Currently running a camry with timing belt done back in 1995 . Thinking I might get around to it soon ..or then again , maybe not

 

[Muskyfever]

My timing belt snapped on my 84 Supra back in the early nineties. It was an interference motor and I paid thru the nose to get it rebuilt. I think dry climates cause wear the quickest.

 

[mesa man]

Agree engine failure might not be the correct wording for us non-VVTI people. I don’t have first hand experience but my research has led me to believe a broken timing belt in my 2003 LX would not guarantee bent valves.

Correct

How much is the labor cost for typical timing belt and water pump replacement these days?

I replaced a snapped gates belt and pump etc. on a 2003 sequoia at customers home for 800$ labor The 2uz started right up and ran great!

Both Sequoia and Tundra jobs I used impact wrench that barely fit for crank bolt! NO SST

A different job on a 2002 Tundra with a snapped gates (110,000 miles on it! 50k over suggested interval) belt gave me more issues and labor was around $1000 in the customers driveway, which also included using a boroscope to check for any potential damage to valves. That engine started up rough and had a slight knock in it and it slowly went away and got better with a few more start ups, another mechanic told me that the computer can adjust the timing etc. and it may take up to 100 miles to run properly.

Five years ago I purchased a 100 series with 240,000 miles from the original owner who never replaced the factory timing belt. I replaced it with an OEM belt and the original belt of 20 years had small cracks in it but was still intact.To reiterate, OEM good- all else BAD

Heres the better question, has anyone ever seen a timing belt fail?

Its not going to crap out . I dont think I've ever seen a timing belt fail…

Has anyone seen an original OEM belt fail is the question.

 

[BullElk]

As mentioned in other post....I just had timing belt service completed after 326k miles. Cost was $517.50 labor and about $230 in parts.

 

[Sean81]

I think it's time over mileage. In Japan they don't drive as much and the interval is 100,000 km to change the timing belt according to the dealer. In the US they say 90,000 miles/144,000 km.

Here is my timing belt at 95,000 km and 24 years. Not too bad…

 

[Tareq]

I think it's time over mileage. In Japan they don't drive as much and the interval is 100,000 km to change the timing belt according to the dealer. In the US they say 90,000 miles/144,000 km.

Here is my timing belt at 95,000 km and 24 years. Not too bad…View attachment 3750451

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Thanks for sharing!
Mine is 2002.8 and looks smooth without the stretch marks like yours, won't change until water pump starts leaking or ~100k miles. Now 83K.

 

[ace10]

Third owner syndrome.

Expensive vehicles never cease to be expensive to keep running properly regardless of how much they have depreciated. The third owner (and subsequent owners) will almost always ignore this irrefutable fact and run the vehicle into the ground by avoiding and deferring critical repairs and maintenance.

 

[nissanh]

Only OEM toyota timing belts lasts that long. Never ever use a non-OEM belt more than 12 years 100K miles. I installed a Gates belt into my corolla and at 5 years 50K miles (during my inspection), it had cracks I've never seen on an OEM belt that went 15 years.

 

[BullElk]

Third owner syndrome.

Expensive vehicles never cease to be expensive to keep running properly regardless of how much they have depreciated. The third owner (and subsequent owners) will almost always ignore this irrefutable fact and run the vehicle into the ground by avoiding and deferring critical repairs and maintenance.

Disagree and not even close to my experiences with many LX/LC copies.

 

[ace10]

Disagree and not even close to my experiences with many LX/LC copies.

Cool. You can disagree with me all you want. But you're noting your disagreement in a thread dedicated to a TB maintenance that is a more than a decade overdue.

 

[97 AZ LC]

Cool. You can disagree with me all you want. But you're noting your disagreement in a thread dedicated to a TB maintenance that is a more than a decade overdue.

You have to admit that there is a certain economy to being able to defer maintenance for a decade with apparent impunity.

 

[BullElk]

Cool. You can disagree with me all you want. But you're noting your disagreement in a thread dedicated to a TB maintenance that is a more than a decade overdue.

Generally speaking, the cost of ownership of 100 series is not high at all based on my many years of experience. Specifically speaking, saving nearly $3000 not doing the timing belt service within the 326k miles, at the very conservative intervals, is one example of “ceasing” to be an expensive vehicle to run properly.

Not to mention, spending $2500 of that savings buying another 2000 LX with 240k miles.

Would you consider that a real life win or an unfortunate loss because I didn’t throw away three perfectly working water pumps instead of just the one. ??

 

[ace10]

You have to admit that there is a certain economy to being able to defer maintenance for a decade with apparent impunity.

Now do Heater Tees.

 

[97 AZ LC]

Now do Heater Tees.

Heater Ts, two of them, cost about $12 and last at least 12 years, i.e. less than a dollar a year. Important sure but not a sign of high maintenance cost.

 

[willyroo]

Another parts cost - in AUD however excluding the timing belt itself, which was around AUD $75.

 

[cwmoser]

Looks like some parts "down under" are less expensive, others more expensive.
Your Timing Belt for $75 AUD is $50.14 USD. My charge for the Timing Belt was $84.02 USD.
Water Pump here in US was $143.07 but you have it at $245.45 AUD or $164.07 USD.
But the part numbers for the Water Pump differ: 1611-59275 here versus 1611-59276 in Australia.