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Just as with the 200 Series, the GX550 third row will be usable only by small children. In other words, even if you could get an LC250 with a third row it would be pointless. The third row itself is only just usable by small children and when deployed you’ve got basically zero cargo space.
Of those 4, the Sienna will have the best 3rd row. The GX550 will have a basically unusable third row.
Grand Highlands supposed to have good 3rd rows....
Even their hard plastics, while still feeling like a hard plastic, is still very good quality. They don’t usually crack on land cruisers.
I totally agree on the Bronco NVH characteristics, but since the LC250 is also a BOF, what can Toyota do to make the ride "more refined and composed", better spring and shock tuning, softer sway bars? etc.?
With half of Mud saying it's a "new 4Runner" plus the fact that the 5th Gen 4R does handle pavement better than a Wrangler and Bronco I think we can safely assume the 250 Series will meet or exceed current standards. I'd wager as far as ride refinement and driving characteristics go it will shake out something like this:
While I suspect you are right, that is just our assumption at this point. We have no experience with the LC 250 or GX500. So I think it is best to be a bit circumspect at the moment.
Given similar proportions and underpinnings, I would think the new Lc250 would ride very close to a LC300, no?
It’s really not an LC300. The frame is similar, but lighter gauge steel, and the components will be different. So I think it is too early to say.
How can you make that assumption? Has Toyota ever confirmed that it will be a lighter gauge steel?
Counterpoint: I have small children. haha. (but seriously, there's a few times a year when the grandparents are around that not needing to drive two cars everywhere would be really nice. I miss my old work truck F250 that had a front bench for that reason. That's probably the only good thing I can think of to say about that truck - but it could haul 6 people with seatbelts. In all seriousness - the 3rd row is a big selling point for people with kids - because kids have friends. So, it's pretty convenient to have the 3rd row even for most people with 1 or 2 kids. Next 4Runner probably has the third row, so it'll be covered there.
Agree with the counterpoint. Even though the cargo capacity is nearly useless with the 3rd row up, having the 3row option greatly helps a night out with the grandparents. Looking at the Lx600 3rd row videos, it looks at least big enough for normal sized teens to fit?
I think that makes sense for Tundra/Sequoia vs Taco - but I kinda doubt that it is different for any of the midsize group (LC300,250,GX,Taco). Someone will have to get some specs when they come out. The reason I think at least the LC300 and GX are the same is that the two are offered with the same engine, wheel base, and the same tow capacity. The wheel base, GVWR, and hitch tongue weight are the primary factors that would drive engineering choices for frame structure. No published curb weight or GVWR yet. Once those are out we'll have a really good idea of how similar or different they are. And it may not even be the same chassis between the engine options. Lots of unknowns. But, I'd bet that the GX ad LC300 are very similar if not sharing the same side frame rails.
