2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (58 Viewers)

[malden]

I really need to put my travel plans into motion...life is short.

Yes! Do it!

 

[milesc3]

Underwhelmed. Unless its a money issue I so no reason to get a LC over a GX.

Exactly my thought. I'll get the Overtrail+ just to have the V6 and the towing capacity.

 

[Pura Vida]

Toyota will sell every 250 they make….. in the first year! But starting in the second year when the truth talks, turbos trip, hybrids halt, influencers invert, competitors crow and sales sink, there may be quite a few 250s on a ship heading back to Japan. I was just about to write “there may be quite a few 250s on a ship heading to Timbuktu” but I realized that in Timbuktu the Toyota Landcruiser FJ70 is sold. And “no one” in Timbuktu would want a 250! No one!

“So, keep your powder dry, wait this sad dance out, and above all, make audacious demands of Toyota for a new “road making” Landcruiser machine! If you ever go on Safari in Africa the animals are not hanging out on the side of some nicely packed dirt road wearing signs that say “Shoot Me Please” or striking bold poses for photographers. No. One has to go “off road” as in across and wildly up, over and through the bush “making your own road as you go” to find them! That is Road making. Let the style be Heritage, Modern, Retro or blinking UFO , a Landcruisers got to able to make a Road out of nothing for Road Makers to buy it cause we are not and never will be Followers!”

[That rousing monologue was performed by Al Pacino in the now classic film “Great Turnarounds in Automotive History, the Rebirth of Landcruiser.” Credit: MGM 2026. The performance earned Mr. Pacino an Oscar in 2027 for “Best Actor in a Role Supporting a Timeless but Wayward Brand.”)

This is either 10/10 satire or someone somehow getting every detail of every sentence wrong, but im too stupid to figure out which it is

 

[MeWantLC]

I wonder if the 4runner is gonna get the non hybrid turbo 4 with a manual from the Tacoma

Would you rather buy a manual 4runner with a rear locker or a LC 1958?

Assuming the LC250 is more of a Land cruiser rather than not, then the 1958. 5th Gen T4R are amazing nice vehicles but it ain't LC200 as I have said it over and over. MT is deep in my heart, trust me I know... I had a 2000 T4R MT that miss so much... But not much in traffic.

 

[bekrus]

As we're still waiting for a complete official tech spec of LC 250, here's some more info on the upcoming Lexus GX 550 and Tacoma as they all share the TNGA-F architecture:

TOYOTA Cruisers & Trucks, Spring-Summer 2023

 

[M1911]

The 80 wasn’t a 60. The 100 wasn’t an 80. The 200 wasn’t a 100. The 250 won’t be a 200. All you folks who wanted a lighter, simpler, less fancy, less expensive Land Cruiser? Now you’re whining because Toyota is giving you one.

 

[Arailt]

All you folks who wanted a lighter, simpler, less fancy, less expensive Land Cruiser? Now you’re whining because Toyota is giving you one.

As is tradition.

 

[m4hk33]

The 80 wasn’t a 60. The 100 wasn’t an 80. The 200 wasn’t a 100. The 250 won’t be a 200. All you folks who wanted a lighter, simpler, less fancy, less expensive Land Cruiser? Now you’re whining because Toyota is giving you one.

Has Toyota ever really defined what light duty was in the Prado line up. I know if Full size trucks heavy duty generally refers to increased load capacity and tower.

I think some of the grief, stem from the belief that the 200/300 series may have been designed for a longer service life and that the 150/250 series may be perceived as a reduced service life.

Personally, I was to check them out when they hit the market and see what they actually price for before making a financial decision on if the 250 makes sense.

 

[MeWantLC]

The Toyota Land Cruiser Prado has had incredible reputation back in my country, and other countries where was sold. As I said before, I trust Toyota will keep up their great quality and respect for reliable vehicles. It won't be a 300 nor a 200, it would be incredible as what it is, a modernized LC in the form of a 250 Prado ! I absolutely adore the old school feeling in my 80 and the tank sensation in my 200... But the new era of hybrids and lighter trucks is here !

 

[MeWantLC]

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[choob]

Has Toyota ever really defined what light duty was in the Prado line up. I know if Full size trucks heavy duty generally refers to increased load capacity and tower.

I think some of the grief, stem from the belief that the 200/300 series may have been designed for a longer service life and that the 150/250 series may be perceived as a reduced service life.

Personally, I was to check them out when they hit the market and see what they actually price for before making a financial decision on if the 250 makes sense.

Light duty compared to the 70 series on which it was based.

In that case it was coil springs that didnt hammer your spine through your head. The running gear was from a hilux in gen 1. Sonce gen 2 the prado has been more heavy duty than a hilux.

 

[NTTD]

The 80 wasn’t a 60. The 100 wasn’t an 80. The 200 wasn’t a 100. The 250 won’t be a 200. All you folks who wanted a lighter, simpler, less fancy, less expensive Land Cruiser? Now you’re whining because Toyota is giving you one.

THIS!!!
I especially find those saying "it's not a 300, so it's not a 'real' Cruiser". They're made from than same dang platform! There's quite a bit of shared DNA.

I think some of the grief, stem from the belief that the 200/300 series may have been designed for a longer service life and that the 150/250 series may be perceived as a reduced service life.

Service life is the issue. Thought I see this across the board with the modern vehicles; J300, GX 550, Sequoia, LC 250, Tacoma...

Considering that it's a Toyota It's a safe bet that mechanically these are sound and will last a long time.

The issue I see is these (all really) vehicles are becoming incredibly complex, electric and electronic systems replacing mechanical ones. The greater number and more complex systems you add, the harder and more expensive it becomes to repair.

Knock a mirror off of my J60 and two screws and about $100 later I've got a new one installed. Knock a mirror off of a GX460 and you've got a $1000 mirror with camera, blinker, and motors (power adjust, power fold). More to go wrong, more to repair, higher cost.

I like that al least at first glance the "1958" seems to be a bit "simpler"; more knobs and switches less touchscreen, more manual less powered. I like that though I know there's still complexity there. I see the GX550 as the opposite of this. It's mantra seems to be "how can we make this as 'luxurious' (read 'complex' and 'expensive") as possible."

I read in this thread about a dealership someone takes their 200 to only has 2 guys who "can" and "are allowed to" work on Cruisers. That does not bode well for newer and more complex Toyotas.

 

[MeWantLC]

THIS!!!
I especially find those saying "it's not a 300, so it's not a 'real' Cruiser". They're made from than same dang platform! There's quite a bit of shared DNA.


Service life is the issue. Thought I see this across the board with the modern vehicles; J300, GX 550, Sequoia, LC 250, Tacoma...

Considering that it's a Toyota It's a safe bet that mechanically these are sound and will last a long time.

The issue I see is these (all really) vehicles are becoming incredibly complex, electric and electronic systems replacing mechanical ones. The greater number and more complex systems you add, the harder and more expensive it becomes to repair.

Knock a mirror off of my J60 and two screws and about $100 later I've got a new one installed. Knock a mirror off of a GX460 and you've got a $1000 mirror with camera, blinker, and motors (power adjust, power fold). More to go wrong, more to repair, higher cost.

I like that al least at first glance the "1958" seems to be a bit "simpler"; more knobs and switches less touchscreen, more manual less powered. I like that though I know there's still complexity there. I see the GX550 as the opposite of this. It's mantra seems to be "how can we make this as 'luxurious' (read 'complex' and 'expensive") as possible."

I read in this thread about a dealership someone takes their 200 to only has 2 guys who "can" and "are allowed to" work on Cruisers. That does not bode well for newer and more complex Toyotas.

Same here. I cannot find the post now, but I was also equally surprised to hear that. I don't know enough to comment on the LC200's V8, but I was always under the impression that it was an engine that should the car needed repairs somewhere remote, wasn't a headache to get it fixed. I remember that the 3.4L 5VZ-FE engine used in T4R's 3rd Gen and Tacos, had been regarded as one in not the best modern Toyota engine and one that it is "easy" to work on. I remember reading stories of folks that took the T4R's for long trips with failures that they fixed relatively easy and without mayor headaches. I wonder where the "simpler" engine line can be writen on the sandy floor....but one think I believe is that the newer LC250 won't be a vehicle to travel the PanAmerican highway ! Even though I would love to ! But should be more than FINE for USA travel ! Yes, the hybrids will and are more complex, but something gotta give...

 

[m4hk33]

THIS!!!
I especially find those saying "it's not a 300, so it's not a 'real' Cruiser". They're made from than same dang platform! There's quite a bit of shared DNA.


Service life is the issue. Thought I see this across the board with the modern vehicles; J300, GX 550, Sequoia, LC 250, Tacoma...

Considering that it's a Toyota It's a safe bet that mechanically these are sound and will last a long time.

The issue I see is these (all really) vehicles are becoming incredibly complex, electric and electronic systems replacing mechanical ones. The greater number and more complex systems you add, the harder and more expensive it becomes to repair.

Knock a mirror off of my J60 and two screws and about $100 later I've got a new one installed. Knock a mirror off of a GX460 and you've got a $1000 mirror with camera, blinker, and motors (power adjust, power fold). More to go wrong, more to repair, higher cost.

I like that al least at first glance the "1958" seems to be a bit "simpler"; more knobs and switches less touchscreen, more manual less powered. I like that though I know there's still complexity there. I see the GX550 as the opposite of this. It's mantra seems to be "how can we make this as 'luxurious' (read 'complex' and 'expensive") as possible."

I read in this thread about a dealership someone takes their 200 to only has 2 guys who "can" and "are allowed to" work on Cruisers. That does not bode well for newer and more complex Toyotas.

It's definitely a different approach to a nameplate that is synonymous with durability.

 

[NTTD]

Same here. I cannot find the post now, but I was also equally surprised to hear that. I don't know enough to comment on the LC200's V8, but I was always under the impression that it was an engine that should the car needed repairs somewhere remote, wasn't a headache to get it fixed. I remember that the 3.4L 5VZ-FE engine used in T4R's 3rd Gen and Tacos, had been regarded as one in not the best modern Toyota engine and one that it is "easy" to work on. I remember reading stories of folks that took the T4R's for long trips with failures that they fixed relatively easy and without mayor headaches. I wonder where the "simpler" engine line can be writen on the sandy floor....but one think I believe is that the newer LC250 won't be a vehicle to travel the PanAmerican highway ! Even though I would love to ! But should be more than FINE for USA travel ! Yes, the hybrids will and are more complex, but something gotta give...

It's my understanding the 5.7 (3UR-FE) is one of the best engines Toyota has ever made (which is saying a lot). It's known as a "million mile engine".
Don't know haw easy they are to work on but the longevity is there.

 

[Jetboy]

Same here. I cannot find the post now, but I was also equally surprised to hear that. I don't know enough to comment on the LC200's V8, but I was always under the impression that it was an engine that should the car needed repairs somewhere remote, wasn't a headache to get it fixed. I remember that the 3.4L 5VZ-FE engine used in T4R's 3rd Gen and Tacos, had been regarded as one in not the best modern Toyota engine and one that it is "easy" to work on. I remember reading stories of folks that took the T4R's for long trips with failures that they fixed relatively easy and without mayor headaches. I wonder where the "simpler" engine line can be writen on the sandy floor....but one think I believe is that the newer LC250 won't be a vehicle to travel the PanAmerican highway ! Even though I would love to ! But should be more than FINE for USA travel ! Yes, the hybrids will and are more complex, but something gotta give...

The engine engineering team did an interview with TFL - it's a longer discussion of turbo engines and why. But part of that was a discussion of serviceability. And - this was about the Tacoma, but it's basically the same thing as the LC250, - he said that part of the design process was engineering the engine to be serviceable with common tools and enough hand space to work on it. I can't give a direct quote, but paraphrasing "tacoma owners keep them for a long time and expect to be able to work on them themselves so we engineered the tacoma turbo 4 and under hood space to provide plenty of hand space and access along with common fasteners in accessible locations so the engine could be worked on by people who are generally mechanically inclined rather than requiring specialty equipment and specialized mechanics."

He also discussed a lot about how they've tested the turbo 4 to a higher standard than the car version and how they would run it to its max heat at the max angles you can operate a vehicle at so they could ensure it would run at all different orientations. And they would max it out until the turbos would turn from red to white hot and then rapidly cool them over and over. Stuff like that. It sounded like the durability testing was as severe as it gets.

I don't think that translates to the TTv6 gas engine. But it probably does for the new diesel. The new diesel is fantastic in design with everything on top and easy to access. My guess is the assumption is that the TTv6 gas engine models are more intended for buyers who are going to be fixing them at a dealership or service shop where the diesels and turbo4 models will be more oriented to uses where owners will self-service or service and repair will be performed in the field.

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[MeWantLC]

The engine engineering team did an interview with TFL - it's a longer discussion of turbo engines and why. But part of that was a discussion of serviceability. And - this was about the Tacoma, but it's basically the same thing as the LC250, - he said that part of the design process was engineering the engine to be serviceable with common tools and enough hand space to work on it. I can't give a direct quote, but paraphrasing "tacoma owners keep them for a long time and expect to be able to work on them themselves so we engineered the tacoma turbo 4 and under hood space to provide plenty of hand space and access along with common fasteners in accessible locations so the engine could be worked on by people who are generally mechanically inclined rather than requiring specialty equipment and specialized mechanics."

He also discussed a lot about how they've tested the turbo 4 to a higher standard than the car version and how they would run it to its max heat at the max angles you can operate a vehicle at so they could ensure it would run at all different orientations. And they would max it out until the turbos would turn from red to white hot and then rapidly cool them over and over. Stuff like that. It sounded like the durability testing was as severe as it gets.

I don't think that translates to the TTv6 gas engine. But it probably does for the new diesel. The new diesel is fantastic in design with everything on top and easy to access. My guess is the assumption is that the TTv6 gas engine models are more intended for buyers who are going to be fixing them at a dealership or service shop where the diesels and turbo4 models will be more oriented to uses where owners will self-service or service and repair will be performed in the field.

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I want to believe all this with all my heart ... I do !

But part of me, nah... They don't care "that" much for us !

Thank you very much for sharing it !

 

[vantage78]

He also discussed a lot about how they've tested the turbo 4 to a higher standard than the car version and how they would run it to its max heat at the max angles you can operate a vehicle at so they could ensure it would run at all different orientations. And they would max it out until the turbos would turn from red to white hot and then rapidly cool them over and over. Stuff like that. It sounded like the durability testing was as severe as it gets.

I don't think that translates to the TTv6 gas engine. But it probably does for the new diesel. The new diesel is fantastic in design with everything on top and easy to access. My guess is the assumption is that the TTv6 gas engine models are more intended for buyers who are going to be fixing them at a dealership or service shop where the diesels and turbo4 models will be more oriented to uses where owners will self-service or service and repair will be performed in the field.

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My $.02: if we go by the logic that the Lc300 is a “true” LC and is as durable as the LC200, there should be no reason the TTV6 isn’t durable, esp if it has to match the LC reputation for longevity. As such, the GX TTv6 should be just as good; it’s all (more or less) coming down the same Tahara line, right?

 

[NTTD]

I wish we had Toyota diesel options here in the states.

EDIT:

My $.02: if we go by the logic that the Lc300 is a “true” LC and is as durable as the LC200, there should be no reason the TTV6 isn’t durable, esp if it has to match the LC reputation for longevity. As such, the GX TTv6 should be just as good; it’s all (more or less) coming down the same Tahara line, right?

Not only the same line but engineered on the same platform.

 

[Jetboy]

My $.02: if we go by the logic that the Lc300 is a “true” LC and is as durable as the LC200, there should be no reason the TTV6 isn’t durable, esp if it has to match the LC reputation for longevity. As such, the GX TTv6 should be just as good; it’s all (more or less) coming down the same Tahara line, right?

That's the idea I think. The TTv6 should pass all the same durability tests as the outgoing 5.7 - maybe more. I think the GX will be basically just a reskinned LC300, so I would expect the two to be nearly identical in durability and reliability because I think he'll share nearly all of the same parts in all the places that matter for durability and reliability.

If I had to pick one that will last the absolute longest without any repairs - it would be the 1GR LC300 or possibly the 2.7 version of the LC250. Those two engines are known commodities that nearly last forever with almost no common problems. I would opt for the turbo engines myself. I'll take the trade for more power.

I want to believe all this with all my heart ... I do !

But part of me, nah... They don't care "that" much for us !

Thank you very much for sharing it !

It's a heavy dose of marketing and promotion. So, I also don't take it as gospel. I think it's factual about the testing. I don't know that it'll translate into the same level of reliability as past engines. You'll note that GM and Ford also make all the same claims. I remember the first Ford ecoboost where they were advertising that they designed it to last 150k miles as though that was a huge achievement. I think we'll all be very disappointed if the service life is only 150k miles from a Toyota.