We're they saying different as in upper trims get Triple-Beam LED Headlights and lesser trims don't?
I've heard something similar but with a twist. The definition of trim in what I heard was:
Lexus GX
International Land Cruiser Prado
US Land Cruiser
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I've heard something similar but with a twist. The definition of trim in what I heard was:
Lexus GX
International Land Cruiser Prado
US Land Cruiser
Hiluxforever
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It will be based on the Tacoma. So smaller, retain 109" wheelbase and the turbo 4. Back to its roots.
A knowledgeable friend of the forum (with verified credentials) dropped me a PM with a link to a CarsGuide Australian article for a new Toyota LandCruiser Prado GR Sport. The Land Cruiser rendering seems much more realistic and exciting than many of the others out there. It does not look like it would take much to give it retro round headlights to align with the US version information that is out there. I think it is safe to assume the source is pointing us in the right direction with the retroish grill. I thanked them for sharing it with me and asked them if it's true the US version will in fact have round headlights.
2024 Toyota LandCruiser Prado GR Sport
Here it is with a round headlight I dropped on the rendering for concept.
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honestly if it looks like this, you would have been better off with a GR sport LC300....
I think they will make it more special than what these renders show.
Won't be quick to judge because the final product may end up being better....but just saying the US LC better have a front locker as well in addition to better ground clearance/angles than the GX550.
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Agreed, I'm told there may be several trims within the US Land Cruiser stable, similar to the GX, some mild street focused trims and an offroad trim.
I like it, but I have my doubts on what the final rendition will look like. Only time will tell but I could get behind something along the looks of this because I am a huge fan of the GR Sport 300 and this would get you very close to the looks of that.
But the Tacoma is on the same basic chassis and has the same track width. I'm not sure there's a difference between being based on Tacoma or on LC if they're all the same. Other than wheel base. Supposedly 4runner and lc both have the 4cyl turbo hybrid.
Early rumor was 4runner with ttv6 option, not not LC. I don't think that's realistic. But who knows? 4runner is slightly more expensive than Prado when sold in the same market so it wouldn't be a new thing if it were slightly higher spec. But it seems out of order.
They may be twins with different sheet metal.
A knowledgeable friend of the forum dropped me a PM with a link to a CarsGuide Australian article for a new Toyota LandCruiser Prado GR Sport. The Land Cruiser rendering seems much more realistic and exciting than many of the others out there.
It does not look like it would take much to give it retro round headlights to align with the US version information that is out there. I think it is safe to assume the source is pointing us in the right direction with the retroish grill. I thanked them for sharing it with me and asked them if it's true the US version will in fact have round headlights.
2024 Toyota LandCruiser Prado GR Sport
Here it is with a round headlight I dropped on the rendering for concept.
View attachment 3357021
I like it,
we have to keep in mind that there is only so much a company can do they are building off of the same platform, outside of the grill, bumper, headlights, taillights, wheels and badging, What we see in the GX is what you are going to get in the LC.
The main thing I would like to see in the new LC is the ability to ala cart options like in the bronco. As much as i like the new GX, I am really put off by the lockers being locked behind the Over trail trim level and the panoramic roof being locked behind the luxury trim level that lacks lockers.
I am not willing to drop 80k on a compromise.
Thats disappointing if they make the new LC a 4banger, but would fall in line with the typical Toyotas mindset in regard to US operations.
Oh. You like the new GX, well you can have an offroad option or a luxury option and neither path will ever cross.
Ahh. The GX is out of your price range, please see our new LC offering, it offers much of what the overtrain GX offers at a much lower price point, and comes with a much smaller engine.
Once again, I think Toyota nails the engineering in the new mid size BOF lineup but undermines its self by how they do their trim levels.
Standard advertising strategy.....string people along/create buzz over a longer period of time for folks already inclined to purchase.
I heard some additional LC information through the Plano grapevine. Headlights could come in different styles, such as triple-beam or round versions, similar to how Bronco offers different headlight styles, base and signature.
It seems it is possible multiple LC versions will be offered, one or more street versions and one or more off-road versions. Adding my personal speculation, I could see the top tier LC exclusively getting the TTV6, Tacoma sway bar disconnect and front lockers.
We may see teasers start in the coming weeks, seeing how early the GX teasers were shown.
In addition, these two sentences from the article seem particularly relevant:
It seems it is possible multiple LC versions will be offered, one or more street versions and one or more off-road versions. Adding my personal speculation, I could see the top tier LC exclusively getting the TTV6, Tacoma sway bar disconnect and front lockers.
We may see teasers start in the coming weeks, seeing how early the GX teasers were shown.
In addition, these two sentences from the article seem particularly relevant:
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Hiluxforever
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I was under the impression that the Tacoma was staying the same size where as the GX grew to the old 200 series dimensions.
This chassis is going to be used for so many different sized vehicles that that same chassis logic is a logical fallacy. They will all have the same basic frame, and diverge from there, whether that means different a arms or different a arm mount locations, no one knows yet, but I would presume the 4Runner will not grow like the GX. With the wider track and longer wheelbase.
Hiluxforever
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Tacoma
GX
with wheelbase stretched to 112, which is Toyotas Golden wheelbase reserved for top tier vehicles like the Land Cruiser Wagon (100/200/300)
The 4runner is likely to remain it's 109" which will also help separate them as it should be smaller enough to drive dynamically different, especially with the 4 cylinder as there is a .1% chance that the 4runner will get anything other than the turbo 4, which is actually a very cool full circle for the 4runner. Back to it's roots.
The GX documentation had errors and omissions between the US and International press releases and documents. Here are the full, corrected dimensions (of course subject to change, depending what Lexus publishes in their final full technical specs).
GX 550 WIDTH:
Overall Width without mirrors - 77.95"
Overall Width with mirrors - 83.22"
GX 550 LENGTH:
Overall Length without the rear bumper trailer hitch cover - 194.88"
Overall Length with the rear bumper trailer hitch cover - 197.04"
And we haven't seen the inside measurements yet either, the 300 Series LX600 has smaller interior dimensions in a few places when compared to the 200 Series LX570. The most notable of these was in the second row leg room, you can really see and feel the difference. So while the new GX550 is closer to the 200/300 in overall size there's a good chance that the interior is smaller and more similar to the previous 150 Series.
The new Tacoma track width is slightly wider than the lc300. Probably due to wheel offset. And it uses the same 9.5 rear axle and 5 link setup. Front suspension is unknown. If it uses the same mounting points and has the same width, kinda hard to see how it's all that different.
4runner is already 110 inches and has grown about 3-4 inch wb every generation. And it already has more interior space than the lc200 and 300 which are both quite small inside. It's not a huge stretch to see it become the larger vehicle. It's been functionally bigger for 15 years. The only part that doesn't make sense is why they'd make two that are the same thing and not have anything like a Fortuner size. That's what I think would best fit - make the 4r the size of a 3rd gen 4runner again. Then it all falls into the natural order of 4r < LC <Sequoia
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I've owned multiple 5th Gens and I can confidently say that the 4Runner doesn't have more interior space than a 200 Series Land Cruiser. They aren't all that different in terms of interior volume and the 4Runner has the LC beat behind the second row but only when the LC has the third row jump seats installed. The Land Cruiser has more room in all the areas that matter IMHO, shoulders, hips, head room, second row leg room, etc. Remove the third row jump seats and the LC wins in every way, as it should. The same can be said for the GX as well, it's not much smaller than the LC, but the differences are there.
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That's my hope, so we get some like Australia has with the fortuner, prado and 300 series.
I’m finding that I liked the rear cargo area more in my 5th gen compared to the 200 due to the second row seats folding nearly flat. You can get a little more length in the 200 if you tumble the 2nd row forward but them not locking into place kind of sucks if you ask me.
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