Yea, I’m not a fan of the tumble forward style second row either. You can’t lock them in place mechanically but you have the strap to the grab handle and it works quite well to hold them in place. I am 5’10” and I can sleep inside with the second row folded up if I lie at a slight angle. The width and height in the cargo area of the 200 are better but we are only talking mere inches.
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Yea, I’m not a fan of the tumble forward style second row either. You can’t lock them in place mechanically but you have the strap to the grab handle and it works quite well to hold them in place. I am 5’10” and I can sleep inside with the second row folded up if I lie at a slight angle. The width and height in the cargo area of the 200 are better but we are only talking mere inches.
Best solution I have seen are those drawer systems people build with platforms that flip over 2nd row when folded. That gets you a nice sized and flat floor. Only downsides there are less vertical space and having to lift a little higher when loading cargo.
You and Toyota can agree to disagree I guess.
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Toyota spec sheets say lc200 with th middle row folded and rear row removed is 82.8cf
and 4R is 89.7 cf.
The 200 seems smaller in person to me side by side. But I've never seen one in person without a third row and also empty in the back.
intuitively it makes sense to me. The cabin box is about the same size. And the lc200 raised the floor for a flat deckFloor and therefore doesn't have room for the seats to fold down as far in the middle row. That's where the main difference is I think.
Also Toyota specs aren't always accurate. Ground clearance is... Let's say optimistic.
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Externally they are for sure, internally they are but not by much. Toyotas numbers are trash and very optimistic in some areas. I’ve owned two 200’s, three 460’s and three 5th Gens. I drive them side by side daily, I’ve pulled tape on them in multiple areas for comparison and packed the same loads, the 200 wins, it’s just not a drastic difference.
Look at where the volume differences are between the two, the 200 will always feel bigger and actually be bigger when driving it.
Our LX570 was a two row as well. Easy fix on the LC, just remove the third row seats.
An important new article from the Australian Drive website discusses the US Land Cruiser based on "Toyota sources". This is great news as it gives additional confirmation to information @Carmaker1 has shared and some of the information I've heard on the Plano grapevine.
New Toyota Prado to get retro LandCruiser styling in the US, will it come to Australia?
(key paragraphs cited below)
New Toyota Prado to get retro LandCruiser styling in the US, will it come to Australia?
(key paragraphs cited below)
Sounds good, but what is “Hardcore” in Toyota fashion. Also, slapping circular headlights on the GX isn’t going to cut it.
Give me hardcore with a twin turbo V8, triple locked and 35’s. They can style the body anyway they want if they did this.
Give me hardcore with a twin turbo V8, triple locked and 35’s. They can style the body anyway they want if they did this.
Time will tell
They reference an off road offerings similar to TRD Taco.....if they offer it with a MT and similar options it would go a long way to convincing the LC community to buy
I am curious to see if we will get 1GR 250 Prados in any markets on certain models.
Some markets do want an option for naturally aspirated reliable engines and the 1GR could have some life for another few years especially since its still available on the 300.
I can see the dual vvti 1GR eventually being discontinued from the 300 and Prado in a few years having turbo only lineups but you also have the single vvti 1GR still being produced for the 70 and I don't see what else could replace that for a vehicle like the 70.
Emission regulations are getting stricter in the Middle East so it'll depend on how long they can keep the old engined certified.
Some markets do want an option for naturally aspirated reliable engines and the 1GR could have some life for another few years especially since its still available on the 300.
I can see the dual vvti 1GR eventually being discontinued from the 300 and Prado in a few years having turbo only lineups but you also have the single vvti 1GR still being produced for the 70 and I don't see what else could replace that for a vehicle like the 70.
Emission regulations are getting stricter in the Middle East so it'll depend on how long they can keep the old engined certified.
Here’s the U.S. version of that article. Found on the Land Cruiser subreddit earlier today.
US-Bound Toyota Land Cruiser Will Get Throwback Styling Like the FJ Cruiser: Report
The Toyota Land Cruiser will be a retro-styled off-road SUV like the FJ Cruiser was back in the day, but with modern hybrid power.
www.thedrive.com
The whole “Americanized” bit kind of makes me concerned about whatever they are cooking up. Also the part about it being a low volume model. If that’s really their goal why didn’t they just give us the 300? I’m sure it would have sold little enough.
@Carmaker1, an industry insider with a long track record of reliable information, stated the new US Land Cruiser would be targeted at the Bronco Badlands and Wrangler Rubicon models. These both define the primary “Hardcore” models available on the market (I'm not including niche models like the Raptor's, etc.).
I'm speculating it will have the sway bar disconnect from the Tacoma, front lockers, better ground clearance and the ability to add 35" tires.
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Stay tuned, Land Cruiser teasers may start as early as a few weeks from now.
(1) Definitely not going to happen. (2) Maybe going to happen. (3) Probably not going to happen.
Personally, I think 33 inch stock tires are a sound choice but I do hope they leave room for people to easily add 35inch.
It will have the drivetrain from the Taco — turbo 4 with optional hybrid. If it had a turbo V8 it would cost over $100k, fuel economy would be horrid, and you would be bitching about the price and the poor range.
As for 35s? No thank you very much. I have 33” KO2s for my 200, and they weigh nearly 70 lbs mounted. My back hurts just thinking about changing a 35” tire.
It won’t have a manual transmission. The projected sales volume won’t justify the cost to perform the emissions, fuel economy testing, and engineering.
There are (at least) two factors here:
1. Number of units that Toyota intends to manufacture......which may be very limited due to global capacity constraints that have been observed previously (ie/ex 2 year backlog of 70 series orders)
2. US market demand.....given that Ford has sold over 100k bronco's each year and is currently sold out its clear that demand is not the limiting factor.
There's plenty of evidence to support the expectation that demand far exceeds what Toyota can/will produce/make avail to US market for a bronco like competitor.
If Toyota WANTED to offer a MT there's no question that sufficient numbers would sell to support the cost/effort
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Hell....looking at Wrangler sales year over year.....if Toyota were to bring a 73 varient with a removeable hard top to the US market it would sell out without question
The demand is here in the US market.....the issue is Toyota deciding to offer a vehicle to satisfy that demand.
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