I wonder if we can take this as confirmation that Toyota will not be releasing an all-new 4Runner for 2023 model year.
2023 Toyota Sequoia - 3rd Generation REVEALED
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I wonder if we can take this as confirmation that Toyota will not be releasing an all-new 4Runner for 2023 model year.
Has anyone been able to find dimensions on the new Sequoia yet? I'm interested most in the wheelbase and turn radius.
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Go here to get that when it's released. (Google is your friend).
2026 Toyota Sequoia | Toyota.com
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If you have had one (4Runner, sequoia, tundra, or FJ55) and you are a dog owner, it is a killer feature to have. Side sliders like on an 80 are nice as well but not powered.
I do use the power side windows in the 100 to get the doggy bad breath smell out.
Explain this a bit more, would you? If the new Sequoia has 4WD in Hi and Lo, isn't it just user selectable? I don't understand your comment that the new Sequoia has no on road 4WD/AWD. If you can put it in 4WD what's missing? Thanks, sorry if this is an obvious question/answer.
You can drive the full time 4WD trucks on dry pavement and not have to worry about binding because of the open center diff.
I see. So, for instance, if you're driving in the mountains on roads where there is patchy ice/snow, in a GX460, LX, Cruiser, etc., the open diff and AWD system comfortably handles it and is in AWD full time, while in the new Sequoia driving in 4HI would bind the center diff because it's a closed/locked diff? If that's it, I get it. Thanks.
From what I am reading online, the new Sequoia TRD Pro is a full time AWD system. FWIW.
***Edit - The 4Runner TRD Pro is a part time 4WD system, and the 4R Limited is a full time AWD system with a locking center diff. So, the 4WD system in the 4Runner Limited is superior to that in the TRD Pro? I realize the TRD Pro has a locking rear diff, which the Limited does not. Other than that, the Limited's system is superior? I'm still a little confused about that.
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On the highway you'll never feel the difference between AWD and a locked center diff. The times you'll notice are tight corners like city driving or parking in 4hi it'll bind where AWD will be pretty seamless. You won't hurt anything leaving the new Sequoia in 4hi all the time, but it'll bind in low speed tight corners. And the steering will tend to be heavier. Normally you'd drive in 2hi with the 4wd transfer case.
There's a recent video with Mike Sweers that he discussed the transfer case. He had internal parts on a table with the f150, old tundra, and new tundra/Sequoia. Basically the old tundra is the same components as the current F250/f350. F150 is size down. And new tundra/Sequoia is size category up from the F250 parts. So I think it likely is the case that there's no AWD transfer that meets Toyota's durability requirements for the torque of the hybrid. It'll be a surprise to me if there's an AWD version.
EDIT: Here's a screen shot of the table with the parts on it. It's easy to extrapolate this to see why the Tundra is so durable and why it also weighs 1k lbs more than an F150.
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Every part time 4WD vehicle I’m aware of that doesn’t have an AWD center diff states in the owners manual not to drive in 4hi on dry pavement because it can damage the vehicle. I am pretty confident the new Sequoia will state the same. If it wasn’t necessary, I don’t think Toyota would have put an open center diff in the prior Sequoia, which is a part time 4WD vehicle. I would rather have a lockable AWD center diff, versus a minor performance improvement from the hybrid system, if you can’t have both.
bicycleagent003's post made me go back and re-read the Toyota press release. I didn't catch this the first time I read it. This is what it says:
"Sequoia will be offered in 2WD or the available part-time 4WD system on SR5, Limited, Platinum and Capstone grades. TRD Pro will be offered only in 4WD."
Standing Tall: All-New 2023 Sequoia Full-Size SUV is Ready to Make its Mark - Toyota USA Newsroom
PLANO, Texas (Jan. 25, 2022) – Much like the coastal redwoods after which it is named, the all-new 2023 Sequoia makes an immediate, indelible impression. The three-row SUV is all new from the ground up, and it aims to elevate […]
I guess it's possible that means that it isn't available as a purely 2WD vehicle, and is only available with the part-time 4WD system. Weird way for them to phrase it, but that's probably the case. It seems like Toyota would have made a bigger deal about an available full-time 4WD system. And while there is mention of a rear diff lock a couple of times in that press release, there is no mention at all of a center diff.bicycleagent003's post made me go back and re-read the Toyota press release. I didn't catch this the first time I read it. This is what it says:
"Sequoia will be offered in 2WD or the available part-time 4WD system on SR5, Limited, Platinum and Capstone grades. TRD Pro will be offered only in 4WD."
Standing Tall: All-New 2023 Sequoia Full-Size SUV is Ready to Make its Mark - Toyota USA Newsroom
PLANO, Texas (Jan. 25, 2022) – Much like the coastal redwoods after which it is named, the all-new 2023 Sequoia makes an immediate, indelible impression. The three-row SUV is all new from the ground up, and it aims to elevate […]pressroom.toyota.com
There is no way they are making this full time 4WD without an open center differential. It’s either AWD or it’s a typo.
The new 300 Land Cruiser is full time 4WD with a center diff, but it doesn’t have the hybrid system like the Sequoia. This will be the only AWD hybrid, among the new Tundra, Sequoia and Land Cruiser if this is full time 4WD.
Edit: closer reading of the press release points me to the TRD Pro having the same part time 4WD system, without an open center diff, as the rest of the lineup, unfortunately.
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Yeah I think they phrased it poorly, and what they meant is that there won't be a TRD Pro version available only with 2WD. Which could have just gone without saying.
I think it means that there will not be a 2wd version of the TRD pro. Not that it'll be AWD. It would be very unusual to have an AWD TRD pro but not offer AWD capstone. The 4runner is a good example I think. It has awd trims, but not the TRD pro.
Toyota's all over the map on product mix. There's no apparent rhyme or reason. Why does Toyota use a 6 speed in 4Runner but only let it shift to 5 of the gears? Why not an AWD TRD pro? I can't make any sense of Toyotas choices. So it's all just guessing. I have no idea. All I know is that common features Toyota should have are often not available.
I don't think I've ever seen a Toyota manual saying that it could cause damage, just that it's not recommended to do. It's hard on tires and causes poor handling on dry pavement in some scenarios. But it shouldn't cause damage to any modern Toyota 4x4 even if you left in 4hi its entire life. That was basically the gist of that table full of parts. The lead engineer suggested that it could even be used in 4lo its entire life and that's why the components are so big. They use the same design criteria as the Land Cruiser 70 which apparently involves driving lots of miles in 4lo. Driving for the vehicles life in 4lo puts a lot of stress on the drive chain so they spec it large enough to do that. Seems overkill honestly.
Don't get me wrong, it seems like all wheel drive would be a good option for people mover. The vast majority of these vehicles will serve the purpose of family minivan. It seems like it would be a popular feature. I would prefer it. There's just a lot of confusion, especially among the 4runner crowd who are often concerned about putting their vehicle in four-wheel drive on the highway. Even on mixed snow and ice or wet roads.
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On my 2016 LC, the manual states to keep the center differential unlucked on dry paved roads “to avoid damage to the center differential”. I recall similar language in the manuals of 4WD Jeep and Ford owned previously.
Interesting. It doesn't say that in any of the 4wd model manuals. Tundra for example says that 4hi should only used on wet or slippery roads, but doesn't say it imply it has to do with damage and doesn't have the warning section like the Land Cruiser and Prado. 4runner manual says the same warning for AWD models but doesn't warn about 4hi on 4wd models.
I'm surprised Toyota would use a center diff that is not strong enough for dry pavement use. That's not a particularly high stress situation. Especially in the LC. How can you expect it to hold up off road under low range torque and shock loading if it can't handle normal dry pavement? Seems more like a warning you'd expect for a RAV4.
Maybe that's why the 70 series and tundra don't use the torsen diff? (Are there any LC 70 models with AWD?)
