2020 Heritage Edition (1 Viewer)

[TacomaLC]

Instead of a heritage edition to boost sales they ought to give us a diesel option. In Australia, a fully optioned 200 diesel with 138lt tank for $91,000 usd. A base model 5 seat diesel 4x4 with a/c and 138lt tank $60,000 usd.

Diesel’s are rated at 25 mpg (268 hp/ 480lbft ). The 138 liter tank =36.5 gallon. For a range of 900 miles. Imagine Seattle to San Fran where you only need to stop to change your gender

 

[iwashmycar]

I'm pretty curious to see what it looks like....if the subtle changes make it look less like a 2013 Highlander

 

[bloc]

There will be no diesel cruiser in the US, the regulations are too strict and toyota has invested too heavily in their hybrid brand for them to muddy the market with an efficiency option other than that.

Put that larger f150 fuel tank under a cruiser and see how often you smash it on things while off-roading. Or compare the abilities of a 200 to that f150. Toyota would have put a larger tank on the 200 if they could while maintaining their standards for off-road capability.

A stripped down cruiser will still be 60k+ when you consider how much of the cost of these things goes into how overbuilt and engineered it all is. These aren’t exactly sequoias. There are approximately five people in the country that would AND COULD buy one, and I’d bet toyota knows that. Otherwise they’d sell it.

They’ll move FAR more of these heritage editions than they would gutted cruisers. I don’t see why that is so hard to understand.

 

[M1911]

Good grief, what a bunch of debbie downers!!!

Toyota makes a factory special edition with things that everyone in here does to their 200 and you complain? WTF?

That's a bit of hyperbole on your part. No, not everyone does these things on their 200. Not everyone wants these changes. Some do, some don't. In general, though, these are all very minor cosmetic changes.

Complain about the lack of storage space because of the coolbox, so they make one without it.

I love the cool box. The past two summers I've done 6,500 and 5,000 mile road trips. The coolbox means I always have a cold bottle of water at hand. Before I leave home on a big trip, I throw a big case of bottled water in the back, and three or four bottles in the coolbox. Whenever I stop, I restock the coolbox. When I bought my 200, I thought the coolbox was useless frippery. Once I took the first long roadtrip, I changed my mind.

I realize, though, that not everyone shares my opinion about the coolbox.

Complain about the third row, so Toyota takes it out.

I haven't removed mine yet, but I likely will buy some drawers and pull the third row. Am I happy that Toyota will build a version without the third row? Sure, but since I can take out the third row myself, I'm not sure I would buy that edition since it means giving up the coolbox. It is a lot easier to pull out third row seats than it is to add in a coolbox.

You take off the running boards, so Toyota now sells them without them.

I did take off my running boards. I would hope that the new model is somewhat cheaper as a result, but I doubt that will be the case.

Updated headlights

They just changed the surround color of the headlights. No performance change. So that is just cosmetic. Meh.

cool trim

That's just a cosmetic change that you like or not. My view of the new trim: meh. I could take it or leave it.

Bronze colored BBS???

Meh. The BBS wheels aren't any lighter than the stock wheels. If they were lighter I might be interested as reducing unsprung weight improves the ride. Yes, the BBS wheels are likely stronger than stock, but the stock wheels are plenty strong. There are some folks that have spent a bunch of money on new wheels. When I needed a second set of LC wheels, I bought a used set for less than the cost of two of those BBS wheels. Would I mind having the BBS wheels on my LC? No. Would I go out of my way to get them or pay extra for them? No.

Those BBS wheels are expensive. I would much rather that Toyota kept the stock wheels and used that added cost to add a rear locking diff. Now that would be a seriously useful addition.

Whats not to like?

Meh. These are either non-functional trim changes, or almost all changes you can easily do yourself (remove running boards, remove rear seats).

As I said previously, this is basically a paint-and-tape "special edition" to try to generate some interest on an aging platform in the final year or so before replacement. These changes required little, if any, engineering work on Toyota's part.

Every single one of you would take one of these over a normal black or white one in heartbeat

No, actually, some of us wouldn't take one of these over a normal black or white model. You would, but your assumption that everyone agrees with you is simply incorrect.

If the 2020 LC had Apple CarPlay, I actually would go trade in my 2013. That would be more useful to me than all of the changes for the Heritage Edition put together.

 

[TacomaLC]

There will be no diesel cruiser in the US, the regulations are too strict and toyota has invested too heavily in their hybrid brand for them to muddy the market with an efficiency option other than that.

Put that larger f150 fuel tank under a cruiser and see how often you smash it on things while off-roading. Or compare the abilities of a 200 to that f150. Toyota would have put a larger tank on the 200 if they could while maintaining their standards for off-road capability.

A stripped down cruiser will still be 60k+ when you consider how much of the cost of these things goes into how overbuilt and engineered it all is. These aren’t exactly sequoias. There are approximately five people in the country that would AND COULD buy one, and I’d bet toyota knows that. Otherwise they’d sell it.

They’ll move FAR more of these heritage editions than they would gutted cruisers. I don’t see why that is so hard to understand.

Toyota does put a larger tank in the 200. The 138 liter tank is standard in Australia. And I think we all know, Australia leads in LC sales and they do some serious off-roading. As to why Toyota doesn’t import the diesel probably has more to do with sales demographics and ready availability of gas stations in urban environments.

 

[M1911]

Toyota does put a larger tank in the 200. The 138 liter tank is standard in Australia. And I think we all know, Australia leads in LC sales and they do some serious off-roading. As to why Toyota doesn’t import the diesel probably has more to do with sales demographics and ready availability of gas stations in urban environments.

No, it is all about the emissions regulations. It would cost a ton of money to make the diesel compliant and the work required to do so would remove much of the fuel economy advantages of the Diesel engine. A bunch more money, a lot more weight, required urea tank, exhaust regen cycles, a lot less horsepower, more expensive maintenance, and not much better fuel economy. It just isn’t worth it, sadly.

 

[Canyonero]

This all reminds me of the responses I've seen online for the new Supra.

Does anyone doubt that the car business is a damned tough business to be in? You just can't make everyone happy.

But, as some have stated, this is a promising sign that the 300 series is in the pipeline and getting closer.

Those of us that have pushed our 200's to the limit are certainly in the minority. But why make a vehicle so "over-engineered" and so capable... but not MORE capable? I loved my 200, but IFS just bottlenecks the build. You can only do so much with IFS and without lockers.

I appreciate that I can drive a 200 on washboard roads for 25 years straight without a creak or a rattle, but if I want to climb big rocks or do more technical off-roading, I need to buy a Jeep. That's just too bad, as I would prefer to stay in the Toyota family. Toyota used to sell the public the same durability as the 200 but also with solid axles and lockers front and rear, in the 80 Series.

I get it though. Toyota is a company just trying to increase revenue and move more widgets. If we don't like their widgets, we buy widgets somewhere else.

 

[TonyP]

Honestly, as long as dealers don't try and tack on an MVA, this special edition doesn't bother me much.

Sure, I'd prefer a really special LC like a LHD, manual, URJ76 or something, but that'll never happen.

 

[TeCKis300]

Instead of a heritage edition to boost sales they ought to give us a diesel option. In Australia, a fully optioned 200 diesel with 138lt tank for $91,000 usd. A base model 5 seat diesel 4x4 with a/c and 138lt tank $60,000 usd.

Diesel’s are rated at 25 mpg (268 hp/ 480lbft ). The 138 liter tank =36.5 gallon. For a range of 900 miles. Imagine Seattle to San Fran where you only need to stop to change your gender

You're entitled to your opinion. As one that tows heavy, that diesel motor to me is meh. Great efficiency, but weak sauce power output. 268 hp (before power chocking smog devices that would need to be added in the states) would result in hazard lights on, while towing in the slow lane. 480 lb ft doesn't even matter because it's really about torque at the wheels for which there is gearing. This Yota diesel isn't your 3/4 ton domestic fire breathing diesel.

 

[M1911]

Honestly, as long as dealers don't try and tack on an MVA, this special edition doesn't bother me much.

It doesn’t bother me, but it also isn’t going to get me into the showroom to trade in my 2013.

 

[studawg]

The simple fact is Toyota is offering a version of the Land Cruiser that has several of the options and/or deletes that many people in the LC enthusiast community have been demanding. This aint rocket surgery.

 

[RussBow6]

No 3rd row. So this means we can finally get an OEM mat that covers the entire cargo area!!

this exists today. just need to order out of Australia

 

[Markuson]

The simple fact is Toyota is offering a version of the Land Cruiser that has several of the options and/or deletes that many people in the LC enthusiast community have been demanding. This aint rocket surgery.

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We’ve been “demanding” Toyota save us a whole 30 minutes by yanking running boards and third row for us, but still charging for them?



This thread is getting goofy.

 

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[brywhite]

Well.... In 1995 Land Rover released it's dated Range Rover as the "Range Rover Classic" while in the very same year they introduced a newly styled next generation Range Rover (P38A). Perhaps the 1994 acquisition of LR by BMW had something to do with it. But still a ballsy move.

So is there still hope for a 300 in 2020? Nah. No chance. IMHO, the 200 is such a low volume seller that there is no way Toyota would release two versions in one year.

 

[G-Cat]

I REALLY like the Terra interior. Not having that on this package is the biggest styling disappointment for me.

 

[M1911]

I REALLY like the Terra interior. Not having that on this package is the biggest styling disappointment for me.

Yeah I’m not a fan of black interiors. Mine is tan but I like the Terra as well.

I realize this is very much a personal taste thing. Lots of people like black interiors.

 

[foeix]

It's kind of like my poverty pack 08 200 - no cool box, no chrome, no wood trim, all party.