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NCMTNsCruiser said:
Ha, that 4Runner with the bent tie rods at 7k was and still is mine. Had I not done something beyond stupid it wouldn't have bent and not just a little, passenger inner bent nearly 70 degrees and driver just a little.

I ventured down a trial following some side by sides at Windrock and the trail went down a very steep hill. Once they just pulled away and back up the other side, I realized I was too deep into a hole I had no business being in. After many useless attempts at getting back up (made it up about 40' of the total 300')+) due to a variety of factors not just the very steep and rutted slope, I had to call for help. Some others stopped and assisted me to winch my 4r all the way up the first long hill, make 2 90 degree turns and up the second short hill. It gave my warn winch one hell of a work out with a very long continuous pull. I'm sure the dragging of the passenger wheel further bent the rod. The very odd thing about it was when we went to remove and replace it later than evening on the trail the passenger one was barely hand tight. I do not know if pulling the wheel more than rolling had contributed to this or not.

Now after that little experience, I've added on extra inner to my kit when I go out.
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Sadly Jason, that was another one. I wasn’t at that trail ride with the rest of the crew, I was referring to my neighbor and his 4Runner SR5 with 265/70r17 Falken AT3. He gave me a call one weekend in November? and I headed out to get him back. Now, he was pulling an “off roady” kind of trailer and I’m sure that greatly contributed to the stress.
 
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Taco2Cruiser said:
Seriously, I don’t know what the backstory of why @04UZJ100 and @Jetboy was in relation to steering. I’m just trying to post a picture of beefy comments that make me smile. So the fact that @Romer had to mention something... let’s just keep this civil.

@Jetboy He got a lot of pushback from the dealer. Apparently saying that because he admitted he was off roading, that they wouldn’t warranty it. I would of fought that, and offered to help him get it warranted, but to each their own.

I guess I’ll give my opinion now, but again, this is just what I see, so lets not take it as gospel.

I’m with you Jetboy, that smaller Toyota trucks are pretty stout. My FJC with long travel, lockers, 35s, ran the Rubicon, Johnson Valley, Dusy, etc regularly (used to live kinda close by). I’ve never broken or bent anything. Just don’t be crazy and they hold up to a lot. That truck also lived on the east coast, PNW, New England area, no issues, lots of mud slung and big rocks climbed.

That said, I see a lot of broken and bent Tacoma/4Runner/FJ Cruiser steering components here at BB. Heck, I had to recover a 4Runner with 7k on the clock from both tie rods bending at the same time last fall. I mean... I’m just kinda throwing my hands up with this one in frustration with you @Jetboy, I don’t know why drivers are having so many issues, as I never did also. But unfortunately, they are. Plain and simple. Even Kevin (one of the fabricators here, his 3rd gen Tacoma broke its rack at 55k. Same thing with its tie rods, they were shot once removed. He also had a rear main seal fail last week and is at 68k. Honestly, I question “Toyota reliability” more these days. I could go on and on.

But no matter how much non-sense someone does to a 200 or tundra, those components just seem to hold up far better. I’ve replaced a lot of tie rods on 200s, but it’s always been from either being a second hand truck that was rusted solid and couldn’t be adjusted for a post lift alignment. Or, someone just wanted to throw some money into it. Even running with a tundra group recently, and getting more involved with them, no one is really talking steering issues like they do in Tacoma and 4Runner circles. Kinda like how it’s rare/infrequently that someone is really talking about major engine issues and electrical failures in this forum, but go to a rover group, and that feels like all you hear about.

So yeah, I never had a problem personally either, but I don’t think we are the norm amongst off roaders. And it may be a good idea to not make assumptions for the masses based on only personal experiences. That’s not a dig on you, I have accepted that notion for myself. Especially when I’m asked by customers/friends if they should upgrade steering. I really, really try to keep as much money in people’s pockets as I can during a builds. But even I feel it’s the right thing to not tell people horror stories, but to at least articulate that the smaller Toyota’s steering CAN hold up just fine for a long time. But, I see that they DON’T as offer as they should. Where Tundra/200 steering DOES more frequently. We also should not think that tundra/200 guys are better drivers . Trust me on this one...
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The backstory is just that Toyota sells lc200s for $45k in other markets and I think they should sell the gxl or comparable here as well for the same price they do in the rest of the world. There's some confusion that roughly amounts to a conclusion that because they cost $80k in the USA so they must be much better built than a $35k tundra with the same parts or $60k sequoia.

I certainly don't dispute that many components are bigger and stronger than the 4r/Tacoma parts. They are. Does that mean more reliable? Not sure.

The 4r and taco having something like 200-300 times as many in service and probably well more than 1,000 times as many being used off road in challenging terrain regularly would end up with a lot more coming through for repairs. As an example - there's 10 times more limited model 4r sold than 200s. How many limited trim front steering failures have you seen? Does that mean they're more durable? Or just a result of chance and difference in buyer use? 🤷
 
I think it's more or less about the use of those vehicles when it comes to related failures. 95%, if not more, of the 4Runners sold in this country will never see any use off pavement, most are driven by city types with kids and/or pets. Pavement pounding use is far different than what a vehicle that sees regular use off-road will encounter. Even the weekend warrior, like most of us here, will put far more strain on these components over the life of the vehicle than your average buyer which is possibly why we see more premature failures than your average buyer.

I see Land Cruisers being used as ranch or beach/vacation home vehicles from time to time but there are far more domestic SUV's, most notably Tahoe/Yukon/Suburbans/Expeditions in use for these roles. Most ranchers or farmers around here drive a diesel HD truck, Ford or Dodge being the most common and those trucks will see far more off-road punishment on the regular than any of us will ever dish out on a LC. Ram HD's are notorious for front end failures and I've even had to replace some steering components on some of my Super Duty's in the past as well from romping around at the ranch and rig sites. Crap breaks when you push it to it's limit or beyond regularly but seeing that the LC is over built in many areas does give me the warm and fuzzies when it comes to durability.
 
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Jetboy said:
The backstory is just that Toyota sells lc200s for $45k in other markets and I think they should sell the gxl or comparable here as well for the same price they do in the rest of the world. There's some confusion that roughly amounts to a conclusion that because they cost $80k in the USA so they must be much better built than a $35k tundra with the same parts or $60k sequoia.

I certainly don't dispute that many components are bigger and stronger than the 4r/Tacoma parts. They are. Does that mean more reliable? Not sure.

The 4r and taco having something like 200-300 times as many in service and probably well more than 1,000 times as many being used off road in challenging terrain regularly would end up with a lot more coming through for repairs. As an example - there's 10 times more limited model 4r sold than 200s. How many limited trim front steering failures have you seen? Does that mean they're more durable? Or just a result of chance and difference in buyer use? 🤷
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Where are they $45k? for jsut the base GX I'm guessing..

Here in Aus your US$80k gets us the GXL with no frills with the Sahara starting around US$100k

Is the Sequoia known as the Prado to the rest of the world or as the Fortuna?
 
Kilcarnup said:
Where are they $45k? for jsut the base GX I'm guessing..

Here in Aus your US$80k gets us the GXL with no frills with the Sahara starting around US$100k

Is the Sequoia known as the Prado to the rest of the world or as the Fortuna?
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Sequoia is the Tundra in SUV form. Prado equals Lexus GX. Fortuner equals...

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chazzmatazz said:
I will! Iron man foam cell pro arriving tomorrow, big install day Saturday. Can’t wait to see how she looks and how she drives!
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Interested to hear your thoughts on the FCP's on the 200.
 
Jetboy said:
The backstory is just that Toyota sells lc200s for $45k in other markets and I think they should sell the gxl or comparable here as well for the same price they do in the rest of the world. There's some confusion that roughly amounts to a conclusion that because they cost $80k in the USA so they must be much better built than a $35k tundra with the same parts or $60k sequoia.

I certainly don't dispute that many components are bigger and stronger than the 4r/Tacoma parts. They are. Does that mean more reliable? Not sure.

The 4r and taco having something like 200-300 times as many in service and probably well more than 1,000 times as many being used off road in challenging terrain regularly would end up with a lot more coming through for repairs. As an example - there's 10 times more limited model 4r sold than 200s. How many limited trim front steering failures have you seen? Does that mean they're more durable? Or just a result of chance and difference in buyer use? 🤷
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Capacities...

With the way some of these Taco's are being built out, I'm frankly not surprised at their lack of durability. The bed makes for ample opportunity to go way beyond it's rated payload.

Weight is the great equalizer when it comes to performance and durability. True for any vehicle, 200-series included. Though 200-series has been recognized by it's especially overbuilt nature, for additional durability beyond typical expectations.
 
While this is not the correct thread, as Cruiser Kurt more than clearly stated, the 200 is a more HD platform than the 120/150. There is not a better source of info arguably anywhere. He’s driven Cruisers on all 7 continents and knows their capabilities.
 
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