1HD in an 80?

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I am considering swapping in a turbo- diesel 1HD into my 1996 FZJ80. Does anyone have a 1HD powered 80? I would be mating this to the automatic tranny and full-time transfer case that is found on all North American speced 80s. I am curious how this engine compares to the 1FZ-FE gas engine as I have no way of driving one. Power, acceleration, fuel performance etc. are what I am looking for.

Spector has an unfired 1HD at the long link below. What else is necessary for this conversion? I am looking to compile a lengthy list to come up with an accurate representation of the real cost-benefits- and pay-back time of this conversion.

Cheers

http://www.sor.com/sor/clerpict.tam...number.ptx=1&catpage.ctx=cat801.tam?case=FJ80
 
i have driven a few of them now and the power is great, as good if not better than the gassers.
as for converting the boys to talk to are www.g&scruiserparts .they are great guys and very knowledgeable
another is Michael Hein as he has one in the states and is a great guy as well, they all are on this list.
cheers
 
For that money you should be able to get a tranny and tcase with it if you buy from Sheldon or Greg at G&S. Considering that 8 grand US is equal to almost 10,000 CDN.


TB
 
Hi Snowcruiser.Diesel conversions are aways welcome here.

Diesels dont have enough vaccum to operate the brake booster so the 1 HD -T has an inbuit vac pump.You would also need the vac canister and mount it somewhere.

Fuel lines have to be rerouted
I think the 1FZ shares the same power steering pump as the 1HD -T but you may need to aquire the diesel PS lines.
Your 1FZ alternator is possibly the same if it is on the same side as the 1HD-T
Ive heard the engine mounts are also the same.

Too many maybes and possible there,but it will give you something to chew on.:D

Its a good time to start studying the FSM elctrical diagrams for each motor.
The tacho and other gauges and their sensors also have to be addressed

IMO an older 80 series maybe a much easier swap.
Its a lot of work for a 20-30% fuel saving.
Easiest way is always to link up with someone who has trod this path before which I guess is why you are here:D
 
I say only deal with Greg and Sheldon on the engine purchase. They are always on here with help, Is spector on here??

Also just buy the engine, forget working out the payback cost, cause if that is the reason, it will not look very good.

Payback term is stupid. Do it and the actual cost to drive somewhere is cheaper. Nobody looks at the long term.

I sold my highly efficient Golf TDI cause the monthy payment was too high. Instead I bought an old ford pick up from work for a cheap price. It has a 460. We only drive 400 kms a month in this truck. I had a hard time looking at the payback of a cheap ford with no payment. Cause the fuel is soo damm expensive.
Where am I going with this? oh ya. buying gas sucks, but I know the payback is better with the gas guzzler, IMOP. but when I could drive the Golf for cheap I forgot about the payment....

There comes a time when what you want overcomes the cost factor. I could not imagine driving a cruiser with spark plugs, UUUGGGH! But if thats your idea of what you want quit looking at cost figures.

To me nothing is better than a diesel........It is worth 10k to have it all done. Cause a RHD import is running 20 to 28k. and if you could buy a new diesel landcruiser it would 100k. IF?.

I have priced the cruisers in other countries.

good luck on the purchase. Call Sheldon!
 
brownbear said:
I say only deal with Greg and Sheldon on the engine purchase. They are always on here with help, Is spector on here??

Also just buy the engine, forget working out the payback cost, cause if that is the reason, it will not look very good.

Payback term is stupid. Do it and the actual cost to drive somewhere is cheaper. Nobody looks at the long term.

I sold my highly efficient Golf TDI cause the monthy payment was too high. Instead I bought an old ford pick up from work for a cheap price. It has a 460. We only drive 400 kms a month in this truck. I had a hard time looking at the payback of a cheap ford with no payment. Cause the fuel is soo damm expensive.
Where am I going with this? oh ya. buying gas sucks, but I know the payback is better with the gas guzzler, IMOP. but when I could drive the Golf for cheap I forgot about the payment....

There comes a time when what you want overcomes the cost factor. I could not imagine driving a cruiser with spark plugs, UUUGGGH! But if thats your idea of what you want quit looking at cost figures.

To me nothing is better than a diesel........It is worth 10k to have it all done. Cause a RHD import is running 20 to 28k. and if you could buy a new diesel landcruiser it would 100k. IF?.

I have priced the cruisers in other countries.

good luck on the purchase. Call Sheldon!
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I don't think it would cost 100 k for new unless you plan to spend alot of money on shipping, Which I know nothing about.

On the autralian Land Cruiser webpage

http://lc78.toyota.com.au/TWR/vehicle/HomePage/0,4218,273_64,00.html


The LC 78 with the 4.2L turbo diesel 5spd, with trayback is $51,790 AUD which is 46,189.77 CAD, Mind you that is a tray back truck style chassis with probably not any cool things like factory winch, lockers, etc. For 100L I would think you could probably get the 11 seater with every toyota accessory possible.

Unless it is duty and shipping that kills the deal it doesn't seem that bad, I think I just need to move to austrlia, if that is that case, I would love to have a 2006 LC 78 or 79, 4.2L Turbo Diesel, lockers all around, factory bull bar, winch, CB, every little thing, I would option it right out!

Stupied north America !~!
 
i would have to agree with Brown Bear in this one.
look at the price of a new Lexus gasser, $100,000 including GST. IF we could get a diesel Lexus (rebadged Land Cruiser) into Canada it would be at least $5000-$15,000 more.

at least this is my view on the discussion.
cheers
 
Pity that we have RHD vehicles here. You can pick up a good UK spec HDJ80 here with lockers, A/C and leather for around £7K or less. Shipping to the US or Canada would still bring it in at a reasonable price and you have all the toys. The 80 Series in the UK was only really sold fully loaded as a VX, GS never really sold on the 80 series. Most however have pretty high mileages and have been used for towing which is the main reason it sold here, never really for off road use as the lanes over here are a bit too narrow for the big bruiser.
 
Guys, i live in VA and have 255k on my fzj80. i have been giving the diesel swap idea some thought too. what is parts availabilty looking like for someone like me? Are they easy to come by and are they pricey.
Thanks, B
 
To answer your first question I have an 1HD-FT in a 96' 80 series as well as a TRD supercharger in my 96' 80 series and I would say there is more power from the gasser (quicker/faster), but the my diesel can tow more and get better mileage. I should also point out that I have an H151 manual in the diesel and the standard US AF3XX auto in the gasser. If you really want diesel and are not looking for more power (quick/fast power) than off course spend the money on the diesel but if you are hoping that justify the cost savings on fuel in a short time and it will perform the same you will probably be disappointed, especially if you go with and 1HD without a turbo. Just my 2 cents.


If you are going to convert a gasser 80 series to diesel I would recomend getting a half cut rather than just and engine to do the job. like it was mentioned you will have to have a vacum pump canisters and some other stuff specific to diesel and you get all that stuff with the half cuts, not to mention the tranny transfer case as well. G&S are great guys to buy from and have good prices, if you are in the states you do need to keep in mind the duty and shipping to get them in the US adds $$. SOR list prices are higher however you can usually get at least 15% off the top if not more after talking to Marv. SOR also sells Half cuts.

I am not trying to promote SOR over G&S I buy from both and they are both great places to deal with. I am just giving options here.

Michael
 
Michael,

How did you get your HDJ80 into the US? Given prices of new Toyota vehicles, especially the trucks, if I could import a Euro spec 80 series for about the same price as a new Tundra, I'd much rather have the used 80 series. I know all about the importing hassles etc. but as far as I've heard no one has yet gotten an 80 series through import to open the door for others to follow.

Thanks.

Mike
 
Eric Winkworth said:
I don't think it would cost 100 k for new unless you plan to spend alot of money on shipping, Which I know nothing about.

Stupied north America !~!
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I seen a lexus in the dealership the tag was 110k. "IF" we could get 100 series diesels at our dealerships in Canada they would sell in the 100k canadian range easy.

The problem is NObody wants a diesel 100 in NA. if they have the money to buy it they want luxury. and gas goes more toward the quite smooth power of luxury. of course us cruiserheads want diesel, but hey most cruiser heads don't buy 100's. rich people do....... who drive to the orfice.

Oh ya for a 70 series it would be in the 60k range in the model you want.IF you could get it here.


100 series gassers in the states run at the top end of 50k. more like 60k.

take exchange add 15,000 for a diesel. voila! too much coin o for me o.

hence no problem o taking a fully locked 80 or 100 series and putting in a 10k diesel if thats what you want.

the logic is there. 20-28 for a diesel 80 rhd, or 10k for gasser then 10k for the engine..............


oh ya by the way, Diesel is better! And always will be.
 
Guys,

I'm seriously interested in possibly diesel conversion if i could work it out and of course afford it.
Question,
Could i keep my a442f and run the 1hd-t...?

Also, do you think any of you could just give me a rough figure of what G&S would charge to put a 1HD-T in my truck, parts and labor included?

Just looking for a ballpark range.
Only curious b/c if a swap like this exceeded 10k i would think it might be a betterr use of money to put a rebuilt, turboed 1FZ for about the same price.....it would be much more fun...Or am i wrong about that.
 
I am strangely attracted to that LC 78. Wonder if you could purchase one of those and have them shipped?

I want this one


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Cruiserhead05 said:
Guys,

I'm seriously interested in possibly diesel conversion if i could work it out and of course afford it.
Question,
Could i keep my a442f and run the 1hd-t...?

Also, do you think any of you could just give me a rough figure of what G&S would charge to put a 1HD-T in my truck, parts and labor included?

Just looking for a ballpark range.
Only curious b/c if a swap like this exceeded 10k i would think it might be a betterr use of money to put a rebuilt, turboed 1FZ for about the same price.....it would be much more fun...Or am i wrong about that.
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Its cheaper to rebuild and turbo your 1FZ if thats what you want.
maybe you should call G&S, only they could properly estimate.

People who buy diesels in Land cruisers aren't looking for massive power. But good torque is nice. Its also nice to get mid twenties on MPG.

But if you want outright power your 1FZ is probably more powerfull and quicker to accelerate.

But thats not whats its about for most of us on here(diesel guys)
 
Bear,

i dropped G&S an email this morning....I totally understand what your saying and i guess its something i would need to consider. Honestly both routes sounds awesome. Price wise, it sounds like a Turbo 1fz and a turbo 1hd are going to run similar in price in the end.

bottom line though, either is a sweet truck....turbo diesel or turbo gasser.
 
Thankz for all the advice guys. Just starting to research this and thisthread will help a lot.

TLC Cruiserman-

Care to share your MPG with the 1HD here in the US.

Thanks
 
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