1958 Edition

[BlckHwk23]

I would also expect it to be much more smooth and less annoying in a hybrid. I've only driven ICE-only vehicles with start-stop.

It is. The Highlander Hybrid is near imperceptible when the engine starts. Only thing that gives it away is the sound.

Very good point about the hybrid. If the EM can begin the acceleration while the ICE fires up there should hypothetically be no detectable lag if the software is on point. I'd be fine with that.

You’re describing Toyotas current hybrid drive technology. The EM provides the smoothest acceleration you’ve ever felt and the engine fires up at a certain mph to take over. It really is outstanding

 

[Navyator]

Oh for goodness sakes.

Sorry I prefer to have the option to set up a vehicle I paid $60k for in the default configuration I desire, especially when it’s as easy as a software change.

You’re describing Toyotas current hybrid drive technology. The EM provides the smoothest acceleration you’ve ever felt and the engine fires up at a certain mph to take over. It really is outstanding

After reading cruisergreen’s comment I figured that would be the case for the 250 given its setup. Apparently the personal-preference-gestapo don’t like that it annoys me having to disable it in an ICE only vehicle every time, so thank god for the hybrid system so I can fall in line

 

[onemanarmy]

I'll have: no start stop
No cylinder shutdown
No hybrid
No heavy obtrusive battery
No miles of wire
No 5 supercomputers
No cameras
No lane departure
No emergency braking
No radar/lidar/gaydar
No 5 drive modes
No $2000 interconnected yaw, steering, abs, power steering, brake booster assembly and all the associated sensors

How did it get to this?!?

A new, actual Land Cruiser with simple ABS, Ac, heat, power Locks/windows, a decent, easily upgraded stereo, manual tcase, mechanical locker, manual hubs (for the MPGs!!) and 32" AT tires will do everything anyone would ever need in any corner of the USA. Safely and cheaply and reliably
And last longer (greener!!) Than anything made today.

 

[BlckHwk23]

After reading cruisergreen’s comment I figured that would be the case for the 250 given its setup. Apparently the personal-preference-gestapo don’t like that it annoys me having to disable it in an ICE only vehicle every time, so thank god for the hybrid system so I can fall in line

I guess the good news story is that start/stop isn’t implemented in the way you’re used to with ICE vehicles in Toyota’s hybrid systems. It’s there for sure, but it requires no input from the user. It just does it automatically as a function of the system in a FAR less intrusive way than ICE engines. Not kidding when I say it’s almost imperceptible when the engine kicks on and off

 

[BlckHwk23]

I'll have: no start stop
No cylinder shutdown
No hybrid
No heavy obtrusive battery
No miles of wire
No 5 supercomputers
No cameras
No lane departure
No emergency braking
No radar/lidar/gaydar
No 5 drive modes
No $2000 interconnected yaw, steering, abs, power steering, brake booster assembly and all the associated sensors

Step 1: Move to literally any country not in North America
Step 2: Purchase a 70 series brand new from Toyota.
Step 3: Enjoy

 

[onemanarmy]

That's the sad part! They make it! We voted ourselves out of the possibility of getting one new! So crazy.

 

[Cold Iron]

See, I drove a 23 GX460 and wasn't impressed personally. It felt very bland, and a 2019's interior would feel even more dated comparatively. I'll be interested to see what the 250 has to offer when I test drive it.

Are you specifically talking about creature comforts of the 1958 version? Would a loaded version of the Land Cruiser trim still be a step back from a 460 in your eyes?

I've been driving a 2013 Tacoma Baja T|X for 10 years. The dealer had to tell me there was no need to insert the key fob into the dash when I was looking for a place to stick it

Last summer the rear suspension with remote reservoirs and leaf's finally gave out and I replaced them with 5100's and OME med leaf packs. Thought I was riding on the best suspension ever made. Drove the 22 4R they had and wasn't impressed. They still can't seem to get out of their own way despite being the same engine as the Taco. Not a lot of difference in drivability either, or comfort.

Then the salesman talked me into taking the GX460 for a spin. I'm saying he had to literally talk me into it. Just pulling out of the lot couldn't believe the difference in feel and comfort. Then a few minutes later the heated seat and steering wheel kicked in. Oh my gawd. And it was more solid feeling in everyway. And quiet.

They paved the washboard road near the dealership since I test drove the Taco so I couldn't do a real head to head comparison but we went to a road near by in the same condition. Like butter...

Not sure if the other models above the 1958 are going to be the same once they are out for awhile will know more. And more about that new powertrain. And towing once that battery has been used for awhile.

So go buy a GX550 or an LX600. What's the big deal?

I don't spend all my money on shotguns, dogs & hunting, and fine food and drink. I save a little to spend foolishly. But spending twice what I paid for my first stick house for a vehicle that in 4-5 years will depreciate to half of what I paid for it isn't one of them. But that is just me. Others are free to do what they want with their money. And bless them, as it allows more and what I consider a better opportunity for me.

 

[Patassa]

I'll have: no start stop
No cylinder shutdown
No hybrid
No heavy obtrusive battery
No miles of wire
No 5 supercomputers
No cameras
No lane departure
No emergency braking
No radar/lidar/gaydar
No 5 drive modes
No $2000 interconnected yaw, steering, abs, power steering, brake booster assembly and all the associated sensors

How did it get to this?!?

A new, actual Land Cruiser with simple ABS, Ac, heat, power Locks/windows, a decent, easily upgraded stereo, manual tcase, mechanical locker, manual hubs (for the MPGs!!) and 32" AT tires will do everything anyone would ever need in any corner of the USA. Safely and cheaply and reliably
And last longer (greener!!) Than anything made today.

I totally agree with your rant and conclusion, hence why I'm not in the market and will continue driving my 2002 LC, but why are you in this forum at all? I'm here because my wife is buying a 550.

 

[onemanarmy]

i like the pictures!

the 250 looks good in certain trims.....and maybe they'll release some more 'utilitarian' trims

maybe

 

[gomiami]

I don't understand why people get so worked up over start-stop. My wife's C300 has it. It works fine. It's unobtrusive. It gives a mild improvement to fuel economy. And if you don't like it, push a button to turn it off.

Yes, the GX/250 will have it. And, yes, you will be able to turn it off.

.

 

[gomiami]

From what I understand it's mandated for all new vehicles with the default being On.

Cue the gang to tell you that's a good thing

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[M1911]

I don't spend all my money on shotguns, dogs & hunting, and fine food and drink. I save a little to spend foolishly. But spending twice what I paid for my first stick house for a vehicle that in 4-5 years will depreciate to half of what I paid for it isn't one of them.

Let me see if I understand your point of view. You bought a GX460. The GX550 is a modest price increase over the 460, but somehow the price of the GX550 would be irresponsible spending?

And you were complaining that the Land Crruiser 250 was decontented from the Land Cruiser 200, but the 200 was more expensive even than the 460, and more expensive than the 550, which you think is too costly as well?

So what you really want is a Land Cruiser 250 with all the content from the 200 but at the price of a 250? Am I following you?

 

[gomiami]

I'll have: no start stop
No cylinder shutdown
No hybrid
No heavy obtrusive battery
No miles of wire
No 5 supercomputers
No cameras
No lane departure
No emergency braking
No radar/lidar/gaydar
No 5 drive modes
No $2000 interconnected yaw, steering, abs, power steering, brake booster assembly and all the associated sensors

How did it get to this?!?

A new, actual Land Cruiser with simple ABS, Ac, heat, power Locks/windows, a decent, easily upgraded stereo, manual tcase, mechanical locker, manual hubs (for the MPGs!!) and 32" AT tires will do everything anyone would ever need in any corner of the USA. Safely and cheaply and reliably
And last longer (greener!!) Than anything made today.

.

 

[carboncycles]

Reading this thread gives me images of ppl driving old model-T fords right next to a carriage and buggy with each other thinking they are more smug then the other.

Ah, to each their own.

 

[onemanarmy]

Reading this thread gives me images of ppl driving old model-T fords right next to a carriage and buggy with each other thinking they are more smug then the other.

Ah, to each their own.

Why would you have that image?
The model T was not mandated by some brain dead do nothing meddling people

 

[Navyator]

Reading this thread gives me images of ppl driving old model-T fords right next to a carriage and buggy with each other thinking they are more smug then the other.

Ah, to each their own.

Believe it or not, there exists a vast spectrum between "I want a barebones frame, body, engine, and four speed transmission and nothing else" and "I want a car that requires me to subscribe to an app, has cameras that monitor where my eyes are, costs 15k more for various cameras and radar systems, and won't let me change the oil in my own driveway because I don't own proprietary gear to do so." I know it's convenient to paint others as sitting on the far end of either spectrum, but people are allowed to have their own opinions and especially when they have reasonable gripes about a given system and why they don't like it.

 

[Phillyd2]

Exactly right. The Model-T thing is nothing more than a insulting way of dismissing others with differing opinions. To be fair though, some of those thing are there only there to appease the regulators and did not come from the minds of Toyota. The annoying thing is when some try to justify them as the preferred option. There’s nothing wrong with being honest and admitting less that perfect compromises had to be made.

 

[Brown98LC]

The Global base model will be more basic than the US 1958 that's for sure.

Also the global base model won't have round lights.
The front end will be the type 3 head light ( the one in the middle )

similar to this

 

[carboncycles]

Believe it or not, there exists a vast spectrum between "I want a barebones frame, body, engine, and four speed transmission and nothing else" and "I want a car that requires me to subscribe to an app, has cameras that monitor where my eyes are, costs 15k more for various cameras and radar systems, and won't let me change the oil in my own driveway because I don't own proprietary gear to do so." I know it's convenient to paint others as sitting on the far end of either spectrum, but people are allowed to have their own opinions and especially when they have reasonable gripes about a given system and why they don't like it.

I agree, and I support both sides of the spectrum...just calling out the tone and smugness that seems to come from the comments.

Just sayin...

 

[mkennedy009]

I'll have: no start stop
No cylinder shutdown
No hybrid
No heavy obtrusive battery
No miles of wire
No 5 supercomputers
No cameras
No lane departure
No emergency braking
No radar/lidar/gaydar
No 5 drive modes
No $2000 interconnected yaw, steering, abs, power steering, brake booster assembly and all the associated sensors

How did it get to this?!?

A new, actual Land Cruiser with simple ABS, Ac, heat, power Locks/windows, a decent, easily upgraded stereo, manual tcase, mechanical locker, manual hubs (for the MPGs!!) and 32" AT tires will do everything anyone would ever need in any corner of the USA. Safely and cheaply and reliably
And last longer (greener!!) Than anything made today.

I though you were going to say a new bicycle...