Well this thread turned into a s#*& storm......
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Nick and I have spoken. It's all taken care of. DT Cat Back Dyno results imminent. Testing should take a couple of weeks to get done depending on the SEMA coma.arotrhd said:
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I just got off the phone with baktasht. He sent me a PM about my questions and I thought the phone would be better. He comes across a lot different than he has here lately. Seems like a good guy, very easy going and open to other perspectives. I think he was just being a bit aggressively marketing his product and did not realize how he was coming across. In fact, he told me he re-read many of his posts and he see's how he was coming across and went back and changed them.
It's great to have two vendors to work with for Exhausts and headers. It provides options much like Metaltech and Slee for armour. I think he understands and will provide the professional respect in the same manner as those guys going forward.
Like the armour, both vedors will do the job, some will have different features It's a good day for us Hundy guys
It's great to have two vendors to work with for Exhausts and headers. It provides options much like Metaltech and Slee for armour. I think he understands and will provide the professional respect in the same manner as those guys going forward.
Like the armour, both vedors will do the job, some will have different features It's a good day for us Hundy guys
Anthony.L
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I could care less about all this damn internet drama (being started by all sides). You guys are a bunch of women sometimes you know it!
To me, EMS' product looks WAY higher quality. Sure the DT product works, sure it has good numbers on the dyno, sure it has a warranty. However I'm the kind of person that will easily pay more for higher quality craftsmanship, even if the results are identical! The beauty is us 100 owners now have choices! You want cheap and works, go DT. You want higher quality, pay more for EMS. Simple. The other thing that sold it for me is the fact EMS offered the mid pipe replacement. DT just completely left this out of their product offering.
You want to fault EMS for being confident they have a great product, well then go ahead and get butt hurt. If I was the owner of a small business and poured my blood sweat and tears into building a business and product, damn straight I would be proud and confident!
To me, EMS' product looks WAY higher quality. Sure the DT product works, sure it has good numbers on the dyno, sure it has a warranty. However I'm the kind of person that will easily pay more for higher quality craftsmanship, even if the results are identical! The beauty is us 100 owners now have choices! You want cheap and works, go DT. You want higher quality, pay more for EMS. Simple. The other thing that sold it for me is the fact EMS offered the mid pipe replacement. DT just completely left this out of their product offering.
You want to fault EMS for being confident they have a great product, well then go ahead and get butt hurt. If I was the owner of a small business and poured my blood sweat and tears into building a business and product, damn straight I would be proud and confident!
Will the EMS mid pipe work if I already have DT headers installed? Will they bolt up to each other?
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They should since DT made the headers to mate to stock exhaust and the EMS mid pipe bolts up to stock manifold.
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RR, thanks for taking up the 3rd party mantle. Hopefully there will will see the same for the EMS. Inquiring minds want to know
. At the $550 price point, it's a great deal for a great looking product. But, at the normal $850 price point, there will have to be some serious gains over the other offerings to justify the almost $400 difference. 
Have a blast at SEMA.edit: The mid pipe/cats look sharp
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RR, thanks for taking up the 3rd party mantle. Hopefully there will will see the same for the EMS. Inquiring minds want to know
edit: The mid pipe/cats look sharp
Exactly! Keep the intro price until the dynos are out. They should sell quite a bit at the intro price!
Anthony.L
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EMS has already extended the intro price from Oct 30 to Nov 30 on both the cat-back and mid-pipes.
Anthony.L
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EMS has posted here in this thread several times that all of their products are OEM fit. Meaning you can use any one of them with stock OEM components, or with third party products that are also OEM fit (i.e. DT headers or cat-back).
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Thanks for taking the time to chat earlier today Romer. I guess sometimes words come across differently on the forums than what we're thinking. I need to be better about re-reading what I'm typing before hitting the submit button. Even though I've been doing this business for many years and have been on all sorts of forums even longer, I'm still no good at the forum thingI just got off the phone with baktasht. He sent me a PM about my questions and I thought the phone would be better. He comes across a lot different than he has here lately. Seems like a good guy, very easy going and open to other perspectives. I think he was just being a bit aggressively marketing his product and did not realize how he was coming across. In fact, he told me he re-read many of his posts and he see's how he was coming across and went back and changed them.
It's great to have two vendors to work with for Exhausts and headers. It provides options much like Metaltech and Slee for armour. I think he understands and will provide the professional respect in the same manner as those guys going forward.
Like the armour, both vedors will do the job, some will have different features It's a good day for us Hundy guys
I communicate much easier on the phone and in person (which is sometimes glaringly obvious here).RobRed, you've got PM. After speaking with Romer earlier, I think we can work something out.
Yes, they fit right up with the DT headers, just like the stock mid-pipes.
We can extend the intro price for you guys to let everyone get testing and such done and a few reviews posted up from end users. That way people can make a more informed decision based on what they see from others.
Hey... I would like to buy this setup for the wife's 100. I would like the mid pipe to have no cats. I Live in Cali. Im not worried about the visual inspection. I just dont want to throw a check engine light. I want the full system, midpipe, with down pipe tip at the end, and headers. Any full system discount? If it was mentioned, sorry... been reading the pissing match. I just want the damn system. WTF??? This forum bleeps out D A M N???
POOP<--- this isnt a bad word I guess. LOL
Ill buy the whole system man. I just want to do it all together. Hopefully the discount will still be good.
POOP<--- this isnt a bad word I guess. LOL
Ill buy the whole system man. I just want to do it all together. Hopefully the discount will still be good.
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EMS has a web site you can purchase from.
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Are the Mid pipes the same diameter of stock mid-pipes?
Say you just replaced the mid pipes, would going to a larger mid-pipe, then back down to smaller stock cat-back be bad for flow?
Say you just replaced the mid pipes, would going to a larger mid-pipe, then back down to smaller stock cat-back be bad for flow?
I just finished placing my order with EMS for Cat back and Mid pipes for my 05. I spoke to Baktasht and the 04 and later mid pipes can be ordered now. they won't ship for another few weeks and are not on the website yet. I wanted to take advantage of the intro price. Went with single cats and stock outlet location.
Hopefully it won't be too loud for wifey. If so i will pull the tail pipe for a week or so and reinstall it. That should make it appear to be quieter.
Hopefully it won't be too loud for wifey. If so i will pull the tail pipe for a week or so and reinstall it. That should make it appear to be quieter.
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With no cats there's a slight chance that you may get a check engine light. With a single cat you will not get a check engine light for sure related to cat efficiency being read by the secondary O2 sensors. Unless you're willing to take that chance I'd highly recommend at least 1 cat per mid-pipe. We do not have headers available at this time. If you'd like to get headers installed soon I'd suggest the DT headers along with our EMSPowered mid-pipes and EMSPowered cat-back exhaust. The EMSPowered headers will not be available for orders until around January.
DT headers here: https://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/514118-3rd-group-buy-dt-headers.html
Catback for 1998-2007 here: http://www.emspowered.com/storefron...uct_info&cPath=61_119_199_200&products_id=757
Mid-pipes for 1998-2003 here: http://www.emspowered.com/storefron...uct_info&cPath=61_119_199_200&products_id=758
If you need mid-pipes for a 2004-2007 you can pre-order right now with us over the phone, they should start shipping in about 2-3 weeks.
The EMSPowered mid-pipes are larger than stock, they are 2.5" diameter. The stock ones are around 1.8-2.0" in depending on where you measure. You can definitely install just the EMSPowered mid-pipes. You will see a slight power gain even with only the EMSPowered mid-pipes installed because of the larger piping and high-flow cats we use in our setup.
Good talking to you earlier. We should have that cat-back shipped out for you within the next week and the 2004-2007 mid-pipes should be shipping within 2-3 weeks.
The EMSPowered mid-pipes are larger than stock, they are 2.5" diameter. The stock ones are around 1.8-2.0" in depending on where you measure. You can definitely install just the EMSPowered mid-pipes. You will see a slight power gain even with only the EMSPowered mid-pipes installed because of the larger piping and high-flow cats we use in our setup.
I think 1.8 - 2.0" is pretty generous. On my 05' I measured the outer diameter of the bend in the passenger side mid pipe next to the frame and in front of the cats (just below the manifold) with a Pi tape. The measurement of the OD was 1.78. If the wall thickness is the same as the pipe at the tail pipe (I doubt it is - most manufacturer's head and mid pipes are thicker than the tail pipes. They are manufactured this way to limit metal fatigue and corrosion due to temps and proximity to engine born torque/vibration) the ID is more like 1.70.
I used an IR temp gun to shoot the exhaust with the engine idling on my lift and this same bend was the highest temp in the exhaust piping (not including cats, muffler, or manifolds). 18 deg. F warmer to be exact. I think a restriction like that would cause a higher temp.
I plan on checking the readings on EMS's system after installed. I opine the temps at each similar location will be lower. Lower temps mean less radiated heat to the tranny and transfer case. I may be wrong but I bet I am not.
I think 1.8 - 2.0" is pretty generous. On my 05' I measured the outer diameter of the bend in the passenger side mid pipe next to the frame and in front of the cats (just below the manifold) with a Pi tape. The measurement of the OD was 1.78. If the wall thickness is the same as the pipe at the tail pipe (I doubt it is - most manufacturer's head and mid pipes are thicker than the tail pipes. They are manufactured this way to limit metal fatigue and corrosion due to temps and proximity to engine born torque/vibration) the ID is more like 1.70.
I used an IR temp gun to shoot the exhaust with the engine idling on my lift and this same bend was the highest temp in the exhaust piping (not including cats, muffler, or manifolds). 18 deg. F warmer to be exact. I think a restriction like that would cause a higher temp.
I plan on checking the readings on EMS's system after installed. I opine the temps at each similar location will be lower. Lower temps mean less radiated heat to the tranny and transfer case. I may be wrong but I bet I am not.
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You're correct on the temps being lower with the EMSPowered exhaust. This is the case with just about every exhaust system we make for all types of various vehicles including the 80 series exhausts that we have been selling for a few years now. The reduced heat is mainly in the forward sections of the exhaust. This is usually due to less restrictive catalytic converts and less restrictive piping/merges in the exhaust system.
How much would shipping be on a cat back to 96825 hawaii?
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