Your Thoughts on the LC 250? (2 Viewers)

[Jetboy]

Hahaha...you surely must be joking or need to find better reading material. Just do a quick search and look for UN and military land cruisers. Then come back here and let us know how many Prados you found as opposed to 200s and 300s.

Stop comparing and go enjoy your 4Runner (real) overlander/offroader!

I think this is going to flip. I suspect the LC250 is going to replace the 300 as the vehicle of choice for most NGOs and similar orgs. It just comes in a more desirable package for that market - more cargo volume, more efficient engine options incl the 4cyl diesel. I think the 1GD would be the winner if I'm building a fleet for remote Africa. It's just more efficient and it would be shared with the LC70 so it'll be easier to service and repair down the road.

 

[Noctilucent]

its basically a 4runner
and you throw lockers, portals, body armor, and 35" meaty tires under a new ford ranger and it'll go just about anywhere too
that is not the 'baddest' land cruiser....its all just 'look at me' click bait

Its the other way around, the 4runner is basically a Land Cruiser Prado and by the way a 5th gen 4runner will out live a 200 series Land Cruiser miles vs miles, the 5th gen 4runner engine has less issues overall. Very happy with my 250 Land Cruiser aka''Basically a 4Runner''. The 200 failed here in the states. The 200 dropped the ball so bad that it's THE Land Cruiser to be blamed for the discontinuation of the Station Wagon version of the Land Cruiser in the states. It failed that bad. Good news is we got a Land Cruiser that's way better. The 250. Anyone who denies this is living in the past. THe 250 is better than the vintage 200 in almost everyway.

 

[onemanarmy]

the 200 didn't fail as a Land Cruiser.
it failed due to inept mishandling by Toyota.
There was no advertising, no trim levels, and priced in a no mans land
then they slapped on a Yakima roof rack and some gold wheels as some sort of 'heritage'
pathetic in every way
but the truck is incredible

 

[Noctilucent]

the 200 didn't fail as a Land Cruiser.
it failed due to inept mishandling by Toyota.
There was no advertising, no trim levels, and priced in a no mans land
then they slapped on a Yakima roof rack and some gold wheels as some sort of 'heritage'
pathetic in every way
but the truck is incredible

The 250 is even more incredible, Made in the same factory, using the same materials, mabe by the same hands made for the future not the past. Goodbye 200 you failed and so 250 claims the end of your line beheading the 200 once and for all.

 

[MRego]

Actually, (and ironically), Toyota Gibraltar Stockholdings (the authorized dealer for UN and NGO distribution) disagrees with you.

Authorised Specialised Distributors | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

What's that supposed to mean? You linked their marketing material to the 250. Below is a link to their marketing material to the 300 and another to the 70 series.

Land Cruiser 300 | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

Land Cruiser 70 Series | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

I am sure TGS happily sells 250s, 70s AND 300s to the UN based off the same marketing.

There is nothing about the 250 being the preference. Actually, a quick search will show that the preference is for the 70 series - for obvious reasons.

In terms of the military, I am sure we have several enthusiasts here that served our country and will readily tell you which vehicle they saw the most deployed in overseas ops.

 

[Noctilucent]

What's that supposed to mean? You linked their marketing material to the 250. Below is a link to their marketing material to the 300 and another to the 70 series.

Land Cruiser 300 | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

Land Cruiser 70 Series | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

I am sure TGS happily sells 250s, 70s AND 300s to the UN based off the same marketing.

There is nothing about the 250 being the preference. Actually, a quick search will show that the preference is for the 70 series - for obvious reasons.

In terms of the military, I am sure we have several enthusiasts here that served our country and will readily tell you which vehicle they saw the most deployed in overseas ops.

The 70 is Awesome! But when it comes down to buying one for daily life, From what I've gathered watching countless of videos, Most people around the world including the Japanese prefer the 250 over any other land cruiser by large. Proving yet again that the 250 is the overall Standard Land Cruiser people prefer rightfully so. the other two are *the other* choices. Have a larger family? 300. Have really really rough jobs/terrain? 70.

 

[Noctilucent]

What's that supposed to mean? You linked their marketing material to the 250. Below is a link to their marketing material to the 300 and another to the 70 series.

Land Cruiser 300 | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

Land Cruiser 70 Series | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

I am sure TGS happily sells 250s, 70s AND 300s to the UN based off the same marketing.

There is nothing about the 250 being the preference. Actually, a quick search will show that the preference is for the 70 series - for obvious reasons.

In terms of the military, I am sure we have several enthusiasts here that served our country and will readily tell you which vehicle they saw the most deployed in overseas ops.

The 200’s just a drop in the ocean of vechiles used overseas op. Here's an image of a Chevy used in combat. Plenty of vehicles like the Suburban and others have been used in battle, with the Hilux being the most notorious of them all. BTW the Hilux is much closer sized to the Land Cruiser Prado. I imagine the 70 would be the best fit for combat imo.

 

[Phillyd2]

Actually, (and ironically), Toyota Gibraltar Stockholdings (the authorized dealer for UN and NGO distribution) disagrees with you.

Authorised Specialised Distributors | TGS

TGS is Toyota's official direct sales supplier to the UN, International Humanitarian Aid and Conservation Organisations worldwide.

www.toyota-gib.com

That it's a turbo diesel makes it a completely different conversation.

 

[Leelanau]

THe 250 is better than the vintage 200 in almost everyway.

Yes…@cruiseroutfit will retire Monica posthaste, sell his personal 200’s, and be racing a 250 this year!

(/s intended…he will throw no shade on any Land Cruiser…and I agree…can’t we all just get along?)

Edited to add; I apologize, it’s really Canguro Racing of which @cruiseroutfit is a big part. Also, it would be fantastic to see them race a 250 and see how it fares over time compared to Monica. All good stuff!

 

[ToothDr]

The 250 is even more incredible, Made in the same factory, using the same materials, mabe by the same hands made for the future not the past. Goodbye 200 you failed and so 250 claims the end of your line beheading the 200 once and for all.

My 200 series was made at the Yoshiwara plant. Isn’t the 250 made at the Tahara plant ?

 

[Leelanau]

My 200 series was made at the Yoshiwara plant. Isn’t the 250 made at the Tahara plant ?

 

[OGBeno]

My 200 series was made at the Yoshiwara plant. Isn’t the 250 made at the Tahara plant ?

Correct.

Though 200’s were manufactured at Tahara as well due to capacity issues at Yoshiwara until they could move Coaster production to the Fujimatsu plant and then dedicate Yoshiwara to 100% LC manufacture (300/600/700/78/76/71).

Fujimatsu manufactures all Coaster buses and 79 single cab/double cab trucks.

250 of all iterations are Tahara or Hino Hamura.

Yoshiwara also does Land Cruiser CKDs for manufacture elsewhere as well. Only the 71 series. Mainly for specific reasons/applications.

Fujimatsu does CKDs for 79 series mainly for manufacture in Portugal for the SA market.

 

[TWILLY]

I think this is going to flip. I suspect the LC250 is going to replace the 300 as the vehicle of choice for most NGOs and similar orgs. It just comes in a more desirable package for that market - more cargo volume, more efficient engine options incl the 4cyl diesel. I think the 1GD would be the winner if I'm building a fleet for remote Africa. It's just more efficient and it would be shared with the LC70 so it'll be easier to service and repair down the road.

I agree.

Not only is the Gibraltar spec 250 more efficient than 300, it will provide more range with equal fuel capacity and, in addition to providing more cargo capacity than the 300, the 250 provides more payload capacity and less curb weight.

It is objectively and numerically the better choice for high capacity and efficiency use cases.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Yes…@cruiseroutfit will retire Monica posthaste, sell his personal 200’s, and be racing a 250 this year!

(/s intended…he will throw no shade on any Land Cruiser…and I agree…can’t we all just get along?)

Edited to add; I apologize, it’s really Canguro Racing of which @cruiseroutfit is a big part. Also, it would be fantastic to see them race a 250 and see how it fares over time compared to Monica. All good stuff!

We'd love to race a 250/550. Unfortunately new Score class rules make it a futile effort. Fortunately Monica is grandfathered into the stock full class as is Layla (Jaos LX600)

 

[Jetboy]

We'd love to race a 250/550. Unfortunately new Score class rules make it a futile effort. Fortunately Monica is grandfathered into the stock full class as is Layla (Jaos LX600)

Why is that? Do you end up in Stock midsize otherwise and is that a no-man's-land with no competition?

With the limited stock entries do you think it would be better overall for spectators and racers to combine all the stock classes and just call it "Stock Street Legal" or something like that to include everything from Tacoma up to the 3500 series trucks in one class? As a spectator - I'd love to see a Tacoma race head to head against a Raptor Ranger, LC300, G-Wagon, and a Porsche Cayenne in one class. Maybe you split it with over 500hp and under 500hp if it gets big enough that it needs to be split up. Would that solve the problem?

 

[doc5339]

My 200 series was made at the Yoshiwara plant. Isn’t the 250 made at the Tahara plant ?

***edit: Apologies, someone already noted.***

...LC 250 is also manufactured at the Hamura (Hino) plant Tokyo

 

[hoser]

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I dont know in what world someone would buy the above when you could have a NEW LC250 1958 with a lifetime powertrain warranty.

I truely think all the hate on the 250 is from 200 owners throwing mud on the new guy (dispite the new guy looking WAY better)

That 2017 200 will likely be worth more than a 2024 250 in 5 years. That "Lifetime" warranty is not a Toyota warranty and is not worth much. Post up the fine print! Look at the depreciation curve on a 2017. When does this ever happen in the first 10 years. Except for Covid, almost never.

I'm not a 200 owner throwing mud at the new guy. I compare ALL cruisers. If Toyota calls something a Land Cruiser, I'm going to compare it. I hesitated buying a 200 for a long time because of its bulkiness. But under that body is very robust vehicle. I stopped buying SUV/Trucks for looks a long time ago. With that said, I'll probably buy a GX550 (or LX) in the future but I'm going to modify the crap out of it.

The 250 is even more incredible, Made in the same factory, using the same materials, mabe by the same hands made for the future not the past. Goodbye 200 you failed and so 250 claims the end of your line beheading the 200 once and for all.

More misinformation!

 

[doc5339]

Regarding rugged war zone / lesser developed area vehicles, indeed they do not need to be Land Cruisers. The 70-Series, 300-Series, 200-Series, Y-62 Patrol, LC 150 Prado, GMT-900 and following gen Suburban 3/4-ton and 1-ton are all commonly used particularly when armored. Armoring really requires "Heavy Duty" and though The 300-Series, 200-Series, and Y-62 Patrol, LC 150 Prado are really half tons (some barely), they do OK with suspension mods and sometimes steering mods. Payload is the name of the game whether armored or soft, maybe we will soon see them, but I have not seen any LC 250 Prados yet in my a$$hole of the world.

Vehicle availability, Heavy Duty, Payload, Cargo Area, Parts Availability are all really key. I do not believe Make and Model play a huge factor. It helps that some OEM's have in house armoring programs; many do not and require a third party to disassemble, fabricate and install armor and new trims as they reassemble.

 

[Specialeyes]

Regarding rugged war zone / lesser developed area vehicles, indeed they do not need to be Land Cruisers.

For me it’s a Hilux with a 50 cal mounted in the bed that comes to mind.

 

[doc5339]

For me it’s a Hilux with a 50 cal mounted in the bed that comes to mind.

Guess I forgot to add the Hilux, and specify all the 70-series variants.