Your Thoughts on the LC 250? (2 Viewers)

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In the JDM market the pricing structure is LC250>LC300>LC70. Not sure how meaningful it is, but a 250 is more expensive similarly equipped than a 300 in the home market. LC70 is the least expensive. Hard to imagine Toyota internally viewing the LC250 is an inferior product when the price is higher.
 
Not sure what is actually meant by 'trick' but it's beyond obvious that they exploited the name brand for monetary gain. Otherwise it would have been a 4R trim level.
Uh it's their trademarked brand name. Not sure how a company can exploit its own trademark. Per previous comments I've made on the merry-go-round of 250 threads, the Land Cruiser "brand" means very little to the vast majority of Americans anyway, and would be confused with a Land Rover (it's honestly Toyota doing the original exploitation of the British brand name....).
 
Uh it's their trademarked brand name. Not sure how a company can exploit its own trademark. Per previous comments I've made on the merry-go-round of 250 threads, the Land Cruiser "brand" means very little to the vast majority of Americans anyway, and would be confused with a Land Rover (it's honestly Toyota doing the original exploitation of the British brand name....).
Perfect example, I’m at a loading dock right now waiting to pick up some stuff for work and the guy just asked me if I was in the silver 4Runner. Can’t believe he didn’t know I was actually in the almighty 200 series Land Cruiser. What audacity!
 
Uh it's their trademarked brand name. Not sure how a company can exploit its own trademark. Per previous comments I've made on the merry-go-round of 250 threads, the Land Cruiser "brand" means very little to the vast majority of Americans anyway, and would be confused with a Land Rover (it's honestly Toyota doing the original exploitation of the British brand name....).
Something pretty strange culturally as an American - in Japan in one of the Toyota mini-museum displays it has a whole section on the Land Rover and basically how they did some really cool stuff in the camel trophy campaigns. It would be like Ford having a section of the museum about how great the corvette was. Very different view of competition.
 
Uh it's their trademarked brand name. Not sure how a company can exploit its own trademark. Per previous comments I've made on the merry-go-round of 250 threads, the Land Cruiser "brand" means very little to the vast majority of Americans anyway, and would be confused with a Land Rover (it's honestly Toyota doing the original exploitation of the British brand name....).
The same way that Ford exploited the Bronco name with its Sport version. Really not that hard of a concept unless one puts effort into not understanding. Or doesn't understand the difference between disagreement and not understanding.
 
I happen to think it is silly to believe they didn't. We can agree to disagree there. :beer:My point is they could have done all of what you said slapping the Prado in the back and voila. All this "silly" comparison with the 200 would have never happened and this forum would have less 10 or so threads. :deadhorse:
Strangely, I've never cared at all about what any of my vehicles were called.
 
Over the weekend we did a run with an LC 250 and I have to say in terms of conquering mild to challenging terrain it did very well. This included some decent sized rusts and a couple of small rock steps. The crawl control downhill descent was impressive and as gimmicky as the MTS can be it proved itself in my opinion-at least for the day... I heard someone say where ATRAC is a sledge hammer, MTS is a scapple.
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The same way that Ford exploited the Bronco name with its Sport version. Really not that hard of a concept unless one puts effort into not understanding. Or doesn't understand the difference between disagreement and not understanding.
Exploitation: the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work

I am having a hard time understanding how Toyota can exploit themselves when it is their name. You can certainly say "watered down" the brand or "riding on the name", which companies do all of the time, but that's certainly not exploitation as their is no other party who is being treated unfairly.

If we want to get in the weeds, the entire Land Cruiser brand is itself an exploitation. It's an American idea (a Jeep), a clear ripoff of a British brand name (Land Rover) with a metric copy of a Chevy engine. Very little original thought there from Toyota (just like the "T-150" that became the 1st gen Tundra :rolleyes:). The only thing they added was better execution and quality.
 
I'd love a 70 but have lived out of one for 10 days in the Outback. So I know what I'm getting myself into. It would not sell in the states to the current LandCruiser target demographic, NO. Could you steal big three 3/4 ton business. Probably not without 1 billon tf/lbs of torque and a towing capacity rivaling a Pederbuilt.

I love my Prado, except the small fuel tank and the exaggerated MPG on the window sticker.
They would certainly sell in the US... it's just a matter of how many. I've "lived" out of one in the Australia too and I've owned 3 of them in the US. I would buy a new one and so would several thousand other folks.

They stopped selling LC70's in Japan in 2004. In 2014, they announced a limited sale for just one year (in Japan). They sold so well, Toyota extended the offer another year. They don't really need a Land Cruiser 70 in Japan. There are plenty of alternatives, better suited for them. Enthusiasts will buy it and there are enough enthusiasts in the US.

They should appease the US LC enthusiasts. It's like their HALO suv. Lexus sold less than 200 LF-A's in the US (500 worldwide). Many would say it was a flop but rumor is there will be a LF-A successor.
 
Exploitation: the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work

I am having a hard time understanding how Toyota can exploit themselves when it is their name. You can certainly say "watered down" the brand or "riding on the name", which companies do all of the time, but that's certainly not exploitation as their is no other party who is being treated unfairly.

If we want to get in the weeds, the entire Land Cruiser brand is itself an exploitation. It's an American idea (a Jeep), a clear ripoff of a British brand name (Land Rover) with a metric copy of a Chevy engine. Very little original thought there from Toyota (just like the "T-150" that became the 1st gen Tundra :rolleyes:). The only thing they added was better execution and quality.

I'll let others enjoy the weeds. If you want to use 'whored' out the name then fine but it's all the same meaning to me.
 
Exploitation: the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work

I am having a hard time understanding how Toyota can exploit themselves when it is their name. You can certainly say "watered down" the brand or "riding on the name", which companies do all of the time, but that's certainly not exploitation as their is no other party who is being treated unfairly.

If we want to get in the weeds, the entire Land Cruiser brand is itself an exploitation. It's an American idea (a Jeep), a clear ripoff of a British brand name (Land Rover) with a metric copy of a Chevy engine. Very little original thought there from Toyota (just like the "T-150" that became the 1st gen Tundra :rolleyes:). The only thing they added was better execution and quality.
Since you are using Google to find the definition, scroll down a bit and you will find:

"the action of making use of and benefiting from resources."

That might make more sense as to why he is using the word "Exploitation". ;)
 
They would certainly sell in the US... it's just a matter of how many. I've "lived" out of one in the Australia too and I've owned 3 of them in the US. I would buy a new one and so would several thousand other folks.

They stopped selling LC70's in Japan in 2004. In 2014, they announced a limited sale for just one year (in Japan). They sold so well, Toyota extended the offer another year. They don't really need a Land Cruiser 70 in Japan. There are plenty of alternatives, better suited for them. Enthusiasts will buy it and there are enough enthusiasts in the US.

They should appease the US LC enthusiasts. It's like their HALO suv. Lexus sold less than 200 LF-A's in the US (500 worldwide). Many would say it was a flop but rumor is there will be a LF-A successor.
The 70 is back again in Japan, according to the article linked below. Toyota plans to sell only about 400 per year there.
 
Since you are using Google to find the definition, scroll down a bit and you will find:

"the action of making use of and benefiting from resources."

That might make more sense as to why he is using the word "Exploitation". ;)
"Exploitation" was being clearly being used by Phillyd2 in a negative context, as evidenced by his "whored out" statement in his last post.

The "action of making use of and benefiting from resources" definition that you provide (and I saw too) is clearly positive. You could say that Toyota having built 200 "exploited" their ability to construct a reliable SUV.

I maintain that exploitations in a negative manner requires two parties. Toyota can't negatively exploit themselves. The proposed "whored out" term is only requires one :).
 
"Exploitation" was being clearly being used by Phillyd2 in a negative context, as evidenced by his "whored out" statement in his last post.

The "action of making use of and benefiting from resources" definition that you provide (and I saw too) is clearly positive. You could say that Toyota having built 200 "exploited" their ability to construct a reliable SUV.

I maintain that exploitations in a negative manner requires two parties. Toyota can't negatively exploit themselves. The proposed "whored out" term is only requires one :).
You sound fun at parties but yep, absolutely negative and stand by it.

At some point someone will make the case that it's something that couldn't easily have been a 4R trim level and then a real conversation could begin.
 
You sound fun at parties but yep, absolutely negative and stand by it.

At some point someone will make the case that it's something that couldn't easily have been a 4R trim level and then a real conversation could begin.
I have been known to clearly let folks know when they are wrong. It's certainly fun for me :).

If I had to replace my GX470 tomorrow I'd certainly test drive a LC250, but it would need to really (and I mean really) impress me to beat out a low-mileage 2022-2023 GX460 or a reasonably-priced LX570, given the MSRP on the 250 relative to the proven used options. The 6th gen T4R styling does not do it for me....at all.
 
You sound fun at parties but yep, absolutely negative and stand by it.

At some point someone will make the case that it's something that couldn't easily have been a 4R trim level and then a real conversation could begin.
They are exploiting a substantial demand in the market for a good looking, very offroad capable hybrid suv with modern electronics at a reasonably affordable price point. They are also exploiting the value of their own Land Cruiser mark. That is their business prerogative to do. It’s your prerogative as a consumer to decide whether to buy this vehicle.
 
You sound fun at parties but yep, absolutely negative and stand by it.

At some point someone will make the case that it's something that couldn't easily have been a 4R trim level and then a real conversation could begin.
It’s a Prado, not a 4Runner. Two very similar vehicles with different packaging. Always has been, nothing new to see other than that the Prado is now sold here where it wasn’t previously.
 
"Exploitation" was being clearly being used by Phillyd2 in a negative context, as evidenced by his "whored out" statement in his last post.

The "action of making use of and benefiting from resources" definition that you provide (and I saw too) is clearly positive. You could say that Toyota having built 200 "exploited" their ability to construct a reliable SUV.

I maintain that exploitations in a negative manner requires two parties. Toyota can't negatively exploit themselves. The proposed "whored out" term is only requires one :).
I have no dog in this fight and certainly won't assume what Plillyd2 meant to say. Exploitation, whore out, bash it...whatever you want to call it, IMO Toyota did it in a misleading and deceptive manner (as they have every right to do, since they own the name), which caused all the "comparisonmaggedon" with the 200.
 
I have no dog in this fight and certainly won't assume what Plillyd2 meant to say. Exploitation, whore out, bash it...whatever you want to call it, IMO Toyota did it in a misleading and deceptive manner (as they have every right to do, since they own the name), which caused all the "comparisonmaggedon" with the 200.
You're really hung up on vehicle names, aren't you?

If I'm buying a $70k+ vehicle, I do the research and understand what it is and what it isn't. I don't give a damn what they call it. Land Cruiser, Prado, FJ, Camry Trail Master, AntiPrius, 5Runner...who cares?
 
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I have no dog in this fight and certainly won't assume what Plillyd2 meant to say. Exploitation, whore out, bash it...whatever you want to call it, IMO Toyota did it in a misleading and deceptive manner (as they have every right to do, since they own the name), which caused all the "comparisonmaggedon" with the 200.
At the end of the day I just don't agree with pitting the two against each other when it's not an apples to apples comparison. It's like a bout between Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather. Both can scrap but one is obviously not built like the other. To the point it's not fair.

200 > 300
150 > 250
70 > Umm...
 

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