You guys are not going to believe this. Blew another head gasket today!
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They say things happen in threes....you have another cruiser somewhere you don't know? Sorry to hear it man..
Gumby said:Yer gonna pick on the green slanted headed guy again aren't you?
Good-to-go there Gum.....
Mis-shapen erasers are safe......:hillbilly
You didn't accidentally replace the head gasket on the wrong truck, did you .
I only ask because that's the kind of thing I'd do...
.I only ask because that's the kind of thing I'd do...
...or maybe this is all a ploy to sell more HG DVDs to fund Doug's outrageous holiday spending.
A couple grand.
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Sad dazes Doug, if you could only be driving my 1HDJ81 which other than the soft bottom end bearings should perform well for a couple hundred thousand kilometers.
Ooooops, sorry you cannot get those rigs down thier(rubbin it in a little).
Better days ahead with your trusty rig.
Rob
Ooooops, sorry you cannot get those rigs down thier(rubbin it in a little).
Better days ahead with your trusty rig.
Rob
Wow, bummer! Don't let the thought of a threepeat enter your head while sipping miatai's by the pool.
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Bessie's got 156k or so - too cold to go out and confirm (17 deg). Yeah, Rick - while we were out just now I was thinking about the PAIR valve. Looks like just a few bolts difference and a gasket.
While I'm in there, I'm going to fish the freeze plug out of the block I pushed in there 12 ago when installling the block heater. This will make a fascinating study in that I just opened up an engine with an assumed 'average' maintenance with 140k and know what it looked like. Now I'm going to open up another with 156k that has been literally overmaintained with the highest grade of consumables (synth oil, mid grade/premium fuel, NGK plugs, Toyota filters, twice annual Techron and a couple competing carbon removers, etc). When I open it up I have the expectation that I will see notably less or minimal cylinder carbon, a clean valve cover, no carbon ring above the piston rings, no valve deposits, clean injector tips, etc. If not, then I think it will be worth noting. I'll be surprised if I don't see this difference easily.
Yes, it's going in for the full Monte on the head as I like what the head milling did for the 97 and having fresh valve seals is a bonus that comes in Dan's kit already. Just seeing the head so clean and shiny when I got it back gave me wood. OK, that was too much information but suffice to say I liked it and I think all that work was only $250 or so - seal install, valve seats, valve grind, valve clearance adjust, total cleanup and mill .010. I'm actually toying with the idea someone had (LRQ??) to have the alloy valve cover polished. Would look cool and maybe Dan can get me a new sticker for it? Dunno.
Phil, I sent a sample from the 93 in at around 100k just for a data point. You make a good point and a reminder to get a sample on this one before opening it up. The dipstick looks normal, so at first blush it looks like the classic blowby into cooling port. Good point. I'll have to get a sample before opening it because during the work a bit of coolant inevitably falls into the oil ports. Minor, but at Blackstone's level it would pick it up. Thanks.
I didn't get to the sparkplugs, but will Sunday morn.
Got a couple questions for you guys. Given that I'm going to leave it sit while I'm on vacation for a couple weeks, I think it wise to do some things to ensure there's no coolant sitting in the cylinders. Don't need a rust patch on the cylinder walls or worse a stuck ring. So here's what I'm going to do:
1 - remove sparkplugs (assume this will confirm my diagnosis)
2 - drain coolant
3 - turn engine over without plugs to blow any coolant out
4 - use marine engine fogging oil in cylinders (used for winter layups)
5 - repeat 3 and 4 a couple times until my anal side says "enough"
6 - drain engine oil
7 - go on vacation
Anyone see a flaw or something I could be missing? You know what I'm trying to avoid - any damage from the engine sitting with some unknown level of coolant intrusion in the cylinders/oil. It will remain well below freezing in the garage while I'm gone. Thanks!
DougM
While I'm in there, I'm going to fish the freeze plug out of the block I pushed in there 12 ago when installling the block heater. This will make a fascinating study in that I just opened up an engine with an assumed 'average' maintenance with 140k and know what it looked like. Now I'm going to open up another with 156k that has been literally overmaintained with the highest grade of consumables (synth oil, mid grade/premium fuel, NGK plugs, Toyota filters, twice annual Techron and a couple competing carbon removers, etc). When I open it up I have the expectation that I will see notably less or minimal cylinder carbon, a clean valve cover, no carbon ring above the piston rings, no valve deposits, clean injector tips, etc. If not, then I think it will be worth noting. I'll be surprised if I don't see this difference easily.
Yes, it's going in for the full Monte on the head as I like what the head milling did for the 97 and having fresh valve seals is a bonus that comes in Dan's kit already. Just seeing the head so clean and shiny when I got it back gave me wood. OK, that was too much information but suffice to say I liked it and I think all that work was only $250 or so - seal install, valve seats, valve grind, valve clearance adjust, total cleanup and mill .010. I'm actually toying with the idea someone had (LRQ??) to have the alloy valve cover polished. Would look cool and maybe Dan can get me a new sticker for it? Dunno.
Phil, I sent a sample from the 93 in at around 100k just for a data point. You make a good point and a reminder to get a sample on this one before opening it up. The dipstick looks normal, so at first blush it looks like the classic blowby into cooling port. Good point. I'll have to get a sample before opening it because during the work a bit of coolant inevitably falls into the oil ports. Minor, but at Blackstone's level it would pick it up. Thanks.
I didn't get to the sparkplugs, but will Sunday morn.
Got a couple questions for you guys. Given that I'm going to leave it sit while I'm on vacation for a couple weeks, I think it wise to do some things to ensure there's no coolant sitting in the cylinders. Don't need a rust patch on the cylinder walls or worse a stuck ring. So here's what I'm going to do:
1 - remove sparkplugs (assume this will confirm my diagnosis)
2 - drain coolant
3 - turn engine over without plugs to blow any coolant out
4 - use marine engine fogging oil in cylinders (used for winter layups)
5 - repeat 3 and 4 a couple times until my anal side says "enough"
6 - drain engine oil
7 - go on vacation
Anyone see a flaw or something I could be missing? You know what I'm trying to avoid - any damage from the engine sitting with some unknown level of coolant intrusion in the cylinders/oil. It will remain well below freezing in the garage while I'm gone. Thanks!
DougM
son of a....
if i'd known that i needed to pray to dan, maybe the manifold gaskets and power steering pump on my 60 wouldn't both desperately need attention!
and everyone talks about cruisers gods...the cdangod is more like it
if i'd known that i needed to pray to dan, maybe the manifold gaskets and power steering pump on my 60 wouldn't both desperately need attention!
and everyone talks about cruisers gods...the cdangod is more like it
Doug sorry to hear that dude.
Phew sure glad my engine was new as of 60K ago.
Phew sure glad my engine was new as of 60K ago.
cruiserdan said:
I'll volunteer, not like my karma could do any worse.
Doug - sorry to hear that man.
IdahoDoug said:
sounds good to me,
if you can smell fuel in the cooling system that confirms it for me but added indicators are nice.
Doug please post up pics of the top of the head when you get to it, I predict it will be virtually varnish free, not so sure about fuel/air path though
have a good vacation, go to south FL, still cold in N FL, well I guess that is reletve.
HI Doug;
I am so sorry to hear about this - it's not a very nice Christmas present. Too bad it couldn't have happened just as you pulled back into your driveway after a long hot summer vacation.
I think your preventative measures sound good. Consider pulling the fuel pump relay or fuse first so you don't blow any additional fuel in there. And maybe use compressed air and a long tip on your blow gun to dry out the cylinders before cranking and fogging.
It is always a good idea to either insert the spark plugs into the plug wires and lay them on a good ground or just remove the distributor input wires, before dry cranking. It isn't desireable for the wires to be carrying high voltage with nowhere to go.
The marine engine store stuff is great at displacing moisture - but it won't absorb large quantities. You really do need to ensure there is no left over coolant in there before you leave for 2 weeks.
Good luck.
John
I am so sorry to hear about this - it's not a very nice Christmas present. Too bad it couldn't have happened just as you pulled back into your driveway after a long hot summer vacation.
I think your preventative measures sound good. Consider pulling the fuel pump relay or fuse first so you don't blow any additional fuel in there. And maybe use compressed air and a long tip on your blow gun to dry out the cylinders before cranking and fogging.
It is always a good idea to either insert the spark plugs into the plug wires and lay them on a good ground or just remove the distributor input wires, before dry cranking. It isn't desireable for the wires to be carrying high voltage with nowhere to go.
The marine engine store stuff is great at displacing moisture - but it won't absorb large quantities. You really do need to ensure there is no left over coolant in there before you leave for 2 weeks.
Good luck.
John
IdahoDoug said:
Yes I see a flaw.
1- YANK head, you've done this how many times?
2- Bring said head to shop
3- go on vacation knowing you're half way done
4- return from vacation pleased that you took the time to YANK the head prior to leaving
5- finish job
This way you won't be wonder how the truck's doing sitting there idle.
Doug,
I watched your progress on the other one--reading daily. I have been hesitant to post fearing the same problem. When I bought my cruiser last year I ordered everything from Dan to do the head gasket--before you posted this I was convinced it was the newer versions that blew. Sorry to hear about your bad fortune. Enjoy your Rum hurricanes next to the pool.
I watched your progress on the other one--reading daily. I have been hesitant to post fearing the same problem. When I bought my cruiser last year I ordered everything from Dan to do the head gasket--before you posted this I was convinced it was the newer versions that blew. Sorry to hear about your bad fortune. Enjoy your Rum hurricanes next to the pool.
Doug - wow...that's really bad news for you. Sorry to hear this happened.
On the bright side, I hear there's this guy on MUD who's selling a DVD of how to replace the HG
That crack probably earned me some bad karma and a knitting needle
On the bright side, I hear there's this guy on MUD who's selling a DVD of how to replace the HG
That crack probably earned me some bad karma and a knitting needle
Is yours a tu-tone?
