York vs electric compressor vs CO2 (2 Viewers)

[MDarius]

Alright. York with a tank (what...3 gallons?) And a 10# CO2 can plus dual inflators to hit 2 tires at the same time. The York is for me and the CO2 is for the other guy so we can inflatevat the same time and get back to the adventure faster.

And I heard that ARB compressors compared to Puma was like Jeep compared to Land Cruisers. Is that true?

 

[Marine7]

Still lighter than 2sets of wire rope?

Lol.....yes it is!

 

[Marine7]

Alright. York with a tank (what...3 gallons?) And a 10# CO2 can plus dual inflators to hit 2 tires at the same time. The York is for me and the CO2 is for the other guy so we can inflatevat the same time and get back to the adventure faster.

And I heard that ARB compressors compared to Puma was like Jeep compared to Land Cruisers. Is that true?

That's the rumor! I believe it!

 

[Tapage]

To keep ongoing the all others vs ARB twins here ..

I used to have Puma on Tencha ( well really I keep it portable ) provide good quality jumper cables to connect it and the reason I move to ARB Twin was the cfm ..

Airing up my 40" after trail from 10 PSI up to 30 something or 40 PSI took forever ! with the PUMA .. and it was loosing performance if you keep using it non stop ( due heat ) ..

 

[White Stripe]

I use a Toyota fj60 ac compressor. It's compact and powerful. I have a hand throttle I can set. At 2k rpms, it's like having shop air. I hook up a blow gun and blow the dust out of the interior. When a birfield brakes, the impact comes out. I've had it for many years, I just put some ac oil or air tool oil in the intake now n then to keep it lubed. The only time it sucks is when u gotta fix something on the motor and can't have it running. But that happens rarely.

 

[TrickyT]

...Last week we had one guy with a York compressor and 3 to 4 rigs that needed air ... nobody wanted to wait around while everyone aired up off that single compressor... I enjoy being out there, but... not listening to a compressor for 2 hours.

Wait, 2 hours to fill tires on 4 rigs with a York OBA system?!? Something is very wrong with this guy's system. A well-functioning York won't take more than 5 minutes per rig, maybe 7 for someone with big tires. Either something is restricting air volume in his system or his compressor is worn out. When I'm filling tires with my York, the compressor cycles on and off. In other words, the output from the compressor outpaces the rate at which air goes into a tire. (I have a 2.5 gal tank which keeps the compressor from cycling continuously and instead it cycles more like every 20-30 seconds.)

EDIT: corrected tank size -- off by 0.5 gal.

 

[Cruiserdrew]

And I heard that ARB compressors compared to Puma was like Jeep compared to Land Cruisers. Is that true?

More like Toyota Corolla vs Land Cruiser. I mean, they are both good and way better than nothing. But I've had air lockers long enough to know I have dealt with a lot of ARB compressors and their failures and replacements, and replacements of the replacements. But mentioned elsewhere, their customer service has been really good generally.

I've only had a Puma 2 years, but so far, it's excellent. It's the bang for buck winner. It produces a useful amount of air-even enough to run limited air tools, the install isn't too bad on the Landcruserphil mount, and it flat out works. The space it takes up on the LandCruiserPhil mount is wasted space anyway, so a very good place to install.

But if you want bang for under a buck so to speak, the MV-50 is strangely good. It will fill tires slowly but reliably for $65 give or take, so get 2 of them! Tip for use-the crimps on the fuse connector suck-they will heat up and melt the connector. Cut it out and replace with a Cooper-Bussman unit.

Now if you needed air everyday, or were filling tires very frequently, the York is the clear winner. The only downside is the install, which your friends at Wit's End have recently addressed with a beautiful mount and kit.

 

[MDarius]

Wait, 2 hours to fill tires on 4 rigs with a York OBA system?!? Something is very wrong with this guy's system. A well-functioning York won't take more than 5 minutes per rig, maybe 7 for someone with big tires. Either something is restricting air volume in his system or his compressor is worn out. When I'm filling tires with my York, the compressor cycles on and off. In other words, the output from the compressor outpaces the rate at which air goes into a tire. (I have a 2 gal tank which keeps the compressor from cycling continuously and instead it cycles more like every 20-30 seconds.)

Woops! Sorry, It was a Puma. And I probably exaggerated the 2 hours thing. Filling up my tires took what felt like 15 minutes. 33" from about 15 psi to 32 psi. But you multiply that out, with all the logistics of moving vehicles around to get to the compressor and it feels like 2 hours.

 

[NLXTACY]

Now if you needed air everyday, or were filling tires very frequently, the York is the clear winner. The only downside is the install, which your friends at Wit's End have recently addressed with a beautiful mount and kit.

And more! Still working out all the other bits and bobs

 

[NLXTACY]

Wait, 2 hours to fill tires on 4 rigs with a York OBA system?!? Something is very wrong with this guy's system. A well-functioning York won't take more than 5 minutes per rig, maybe 7 for someone with big tires. Either something is restricting air volume in his system or his compressor is worn out. When I'm filling tires with my York, the compressor cycles on and off. In other words, the output from the compressor outpaces the rate at which air goes into a tire. (I have a 2 gal tank which keeps the compressor from cycling continuously and instead it cycles more like every 20-30 seconds.)

I read that post wrong. I didn't notice the two hours. That's just...dumb. Not a chance in hell that a York was like that unless the truck ran out of gas and it was 1:55:00 to go get gas.

 

[MDarius]

I read that post wrong. I didn't notice the two hours. That's just...dumb. Not a chance in hell that a York was like that unless the truck ran out of gas and it was 1:55:00 to go get gas.

No, no. I corrected my comment. It was 10 to 15 minutes per vehicle, plus logistics and the whining multiplier.

 

[bulhas]

You my friend is a fan of backups for your backups, I like it!

There are many times when my friends said let's just go to gas station to air up and greeted by broken or missing inflator.

i meant to say - York and ARB twin are equals..... Im tired ive worked too many days in a row....

 

[TrickyT]

Woops! Sorry, It was a Puma. And I probably exaggerated the 2 hours thing. Filling up my tires took what felt like 15 minutes. 33" from about 15 psi to 32 psi. But you multiply that out, with all the logistics of moving vehicles around to get to the compressor and it feels like 2 hours.

Pretty sure @Cruiserdrew's Puma is faster than that. But a big factor in electrically powered compressors is voltage drop. If you don't use large enough conductors between the battery and compressor, then there may be a relatively large voltage drop (= power loss) in the wiring and as a result the motor on the compressor will run significantly slower and thus produce less air. I witnessed this just last year on a trip to Death Valley with a friend's Product : Extreme Outback compressor. He was powering it from an outlet he had wired to the rear bumper of his 80. He complained how long it was taking to air up compared to my York OBA and when I listened it just sounded like the compressor was really struggling. We switched the power source to leads coming right off the battery and the difference was remarkable -- like a 2x reduction in the time it took to fill a tire. I don't know if he used too small gauge of cable or had bad connectors, but it really made a huge difference. Voltage drop like this is easy to measure: use a multimeter and measure the voltage at your battery and then measure again right at the compressor. Any resulting difference is power loss due to heating in the wire. And since power equals volts x amps, then any voltage drop is directly proportional to power loss. So 12.5v at the battery and 10.5v at the compressor (roughly what I remember Rick had) means a 16% loss in power to the compressor. Also I'm almost certain the resulting loss in air supply doesn't track linearly with compressor power, so this could easily account for a 50% reduction in time to refill tires. Bottom line: don't let your compressor run at a reduced voltage!

 

[Cruiserdrew]

Pretty sure @Cruiserdrew's Puma is fast than that.

About 2.5 - 3 minutes per tire. For 35-37s. Puma running off 4ga wire. It helps to keep the revs above 1500 to keep the alternator at full output and the system voltage around 14v.

 

[Izeloz]

So now who is going to make a mount for us 3fe guys? I already got rid of my smog pump. I need to put something back there, and a York is what I have my eye on.

 

[NLXTACY]

So now who is going to make a mount for us 3fe guys? I already got rid of my smog pump. I need to put something back there, and a York is what I have my eye on.

All I need is a 3FE in front of me without the smog pump. If memory serves that really the only way to do it. I was going to make a 2F York mount but I haven't been super motivated.

 

[1973Guppie]

co2 I did not like, it was expensive to fill and I felt like I was always filling when it was 1/3 full just to have a full tank for a trip. Sold the co2 setup and went to a little viaair pump and a tank under the truck. It's slow but works. Reading this makes me think I should probably have the car running when I am pumping up the tires to see if that helps. I end up waiting a bit but am usually not in a hurry when on vaca in the middle of nowhere anyhow. Plus I am too cheap to replace it until it blows up, which by the look and age of it with the dogs saltwater spray going all over it in the back of the truck, it's gonna happen soon.

 

[MDarius]

I've seen pictures of the Viair compressors setup in an ammo can for portability (I assume). On one hand I think having a quick connect for electrical and for air on something like this could be useful. You would have to take the lid off of course.

On the other it seems the heat buildup would be bad. I don't think you could mount it in an ammo can because the required air input is counterproductive to the sealed nature of the can. Thoughts?

 

[landcrshr]

Has anyone else measured the the actual CFM output from their compressor? The manufacturers make some impressive claims, but we know the only useful data is the actual air-up time. But what is the true CFM?

I'm happy with the performance of my Air-Zenith. With the engine running at 1000 RPM & using 25' of 1/4" hose, it takes a 33" tire from 25 to 40psi in 1.5 min.

But would you know?...that's only about 1CFM! (Here at ~45psi)

 

[NLXTACY]

Has anyone else measured the the actual CFM output from their compressor? The manufacturers make some impressive claims, but we know the only useful data is the actual air-up time. But what is the true CFM?

I'm happy with the performance of my Air-Zenith. With the engine running at 1000 RPM & using 25' of 1/4" hose,it takes a 33" tire from 25 to 40psi in 1.5 min.

But would you know?...that's only about 1CFM! (Here at ~45psi)

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I wouldn't mind one of those flow meters but at $300+ ugh