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Keep it civil kids. The OP's dream thread is getting chatty.
Will the 5.7 fit in a 100? (1 Viewer)
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FJBen
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If you and Sumotoy had a Baby...it would scare chuck Norris with it's knowledge...
Since you automatically ASSUME i've never driven a 5.7 you would be wrong AGAIN...but I"m sure since you know everything you're right on this too. By the way, Greeley, CO is located in the US...so yes I have driven a 5.7 IN THE US.
Secondly have YOU ever driven a Turbo Diesel land cruiser with the new engine to compare???
WELL? John have you? Honestly have you EVER DRIVEN one?
Come to think of it? have you ever driven a diesel?
So your whole theory of being right is based on the fact that "BY THE NUMBERS IN A MAGAZINE" the 5.7 will ABSOLUTELY DESTROY NO COMPARISON the turbo diesel by 1.4 seconds in the 0-60
Which means in SHOTTSSPEAK....there is "no comparison"
And if you think that 5.7 will out tow out climb a diesel...you are insanely wrong...but then again, you are just going to continue repeating your previous 2 posts because a magazine said so.
slap a trailer???
honestly...you are now saying a gasser will out-tow a diesel. John, stop drinking the bong-water...
The 5.7 is a great and powerful motor...but to say it will "blow away" the newest toyota turbo diesel is moronic. We are talking 1 second and you are saying "no comparison"
So the 5.7 is 12% faster to 62mph...that is absolutely BLOWING AWAYoutstanding...no wonder the 10% gain your L shocks provide is also so mindnumbingly amazing performance enhancing.
Yes sir.
Really though, I'd luv to see a side-by-side of these two. We'll have to wait until the Aussies get the 5.7L is guess. Boo!
If you and Sumotoy had a Baby...it would scare chuck Norris with it's knowledge...
Since you automatically ASSUME i've never driven a 5.7 you would be wrong AGAIN...but I"m sure since you know everything you're right on this too. By the way, Greeley, CO is located in the US...so yes I have driven a 5.7 IN THE US.
Secondly have YOU ever driven a Turbo Diesel land cruiser with the new engine to compare???
WELL? John have you? Honestly have you EVER DRIVEN one?
Come to think of it? have you ever driven a diesel?
So your whole theory of being right is based on the fact that "BY THE NUMBERS IN A MAGAZINE" the 5.7 will ABSOLUTELY DESTROY NO COMPARISON the turbo diesel by 1.4 seconds in the 0-60
Which means in SHOTTSSPEAK....there is "no comparison"
And if you think that 5.7 will out tow out climb a diesel...you are insanely wrong...but then again, you are just going to continue repeating your previous 2 posts because a magazine said so.
slap a trailer???
John, stop drinking the bong-water...
The 5.7 is a great and powerful motor...but to say it will "blow away" the newest toyota turbo diesel is moronic. We are talking 1 second and you are saying "no comparison"
So the 5.7 is 12% faster to 62mph...that is absolutely BLOWING AWAYoutstanding...no wonder the 10% gain your L shocks provide is also so mindnumbingly amazing performance enhancing.
My last comment and I'm out per Monkey.
Ben, the 4.7L was already picked by a small margin over the TD in testing. It's the overall winner already.
Now, add in the bene's of the 5.7L over the 4.7L. They are huge. The margin between the petrol and TD is now bigger than ever.
FJBen
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cruiser100
Comfortably Numb
Dude, what don't you get about this?
0 to 60 (62)
8.2 TD
6.8 5.7 (to 62 not 60)
...and the raw numbers:
TD...195kW/650Nm
4.7...202kW/420Nm
5.7...284kW/544Nm
...and one of the many links...
http://www.motopia.co.uk/html/toyota_land_cruiser.html
They are all good engines and have their ups and downs. I have personal experience with all of them and would take the 5.7 FOR MY NEEDS over any of the others.
It is what it is.
Waggoner5
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I see that the 4.5 liter TD makes 650Nm and the 5.7 liter makes 544Nm. Whats the argument about again? 0-60mph? Give me a break, that's 75 ftlbs of torque more and torque is what pushes that truck up the hill. I would take a 5.7, but if a diesel was available here, that's what I would own and believe me John I would pass you every chance I got just to make fun. Oh and when we stopped for fuel, I would make more fun. Even if you supercharge the 5.7 it will almost make as much torque as a stock VW Touareg TDI. Did I mention that it is ONLY 5.0 liters and makes 627 ftlbs? The point that EVERYONE is trying to make is that you are stuck on HP and 0-60, when torque is the number to be reckoned with. Drive a tuned diesel and you will understand.
I would still be content to install a 5.7 in my 100 though
I would still be content to install a 5.7 in my 100 though
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cruiser100
Comfortably Numb
Come on people, torque gets you off the line, HP gives you your top end.
Many times in my drag racing days did I beat a BBC 454 to the traps with my little old 3.8 turbo due to HP, not torque. I may have gotten left behind a bit off the line, but by the 8th I was already two cars ahead.
You want to pull a house, get torque. You want to do the 1/4 in 11 flat, get HP. You want to do both well, get a 5.7.
Many times in my drag racing days did I beat a BBC 454 to the traps with my little old 3.8 turbo due to HP, not torque. I may have gotten left behind a bit off the line, but by the 8th I was already two cars ahead.
You want to pull a house, get torque. You want to do the 1/4 in 11 flat, get HP. You want to do both well, get a 5.7.
Since we are talking diesels, kind of... How is it looking in the chances that the US is getting a diesel ? Is a Tundra diesel firm at this point or still questionable ? If we do get the diesel in the Tundra, will its success likely determine the fate of the diesel in the 200 or is that too much to hope for ?
Sorry for the hijack.
Sorry for the hijack
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Waggoner5
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So far the diesel is dead for us here in the US. Toyota is watching the US automakers and decided to shelf the idea for now. The Tundra was supposed to get it first, then the LC, but it isn't going to happen.
OK, I will not debate the HP/TQ idea here as we are both correct in our assumptions, but I am not relating to going the fastest in a given distance, only that the strongest engine built for a 5600 lb empty truck will be the one with the most amount of torque. Its all personal opinion and I respect yours.
OK, I will not debate the HP/TQ idea here as we are both correct in our assumptions, but I am not relating to going the fastest in a given distance, only that the strongest engine built for a 5600 lb empty truck will be the one with the most amount of torque. Its all personal opinion and I respect yours.
Aussie mag. It's been on Mud. Maybe someone can find it.
**0-60 is just an EXAMPLE. And the difference in times makes it a GREAT example.
**TD pass a URJ200 5.7L...
**Diesel here costs 25% more. Who's laughing and who's truck smells while crawling on the trails with the windows down?
**We're stuck on nothing. Numbers don't lie. That includes the HP and T specs. If you think that a mere 15% more torque on the diesel is going to outdo the 5.7's 50% HP increase you have a lot to learn. The TD has the 5.7 from 0-3 MPH and from 4-up in EVERY situation the 5.7 will eat it. There's usually no substitute for displacement.
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i still think the inline 6 is the way to go....
Waggoner5
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Aussie mag. It's been on Mud. Maybe someone can find it.
**0-60 is just an EXAMPLE. And the difference in times makes it a GREAT example.
**TD pass a URJ200 5.7L...
**Diesel here costs 25% more. Who's laughing and who's truck smells while crawling on the trails with the windows down?
**We're stuck on nothing. Numbers don't lie. That includes the HP and T specs. If you think that a mere 15% more torque on the diesel is going to outdo the 5.7's 50% HP increase you have a lot to learn. The TD has the 5.7 from 0-3 MPH and from 4-up in EVERY situation the 5.7 will eat it. There's usually no substitute for displacement.
Whatever, John. I guess what I have learned over the last 25 years building high performance engines, both gas and diesel has taught me nothing. If you want to impress me, tighten your own wheel bearings not repeating what you hear or read.
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**Diesel here costs 25% more. Who's laughing and who's truck smells while crawling on the trails with the windows down?
Actually, I wheeled with a HZ turbo'd 60 on the Rubicon and it smelled better than the gassers.
Actually, I wheeled with a HZ turbo'd 60 on the Rubicon and it smelled better than the gassers.
I think this thread should end, who wants a cheeseburger? I'm buying but the beer is on you!
better take the 5.7 it will get you the cheese burger quicker.
no one in australia buy's diesels for their speed. they are bought for their economy, reliability, and towing performance. We all know diesels are slow.
if you really need to get to 100 1.4 seconds quicker, you probably have a personality disorder anyway.
FJBen
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I would love to hear a REAL EXPERIENCES from people who can and actually drive both.
Not just people stating facts from a magazine and taking it for end all be all. No one is disputing it's 1.4 seconds quicker...but to say it's no comparison is not a fair nor educated decision; which I think a lot of people are all annoyed over this post.
So it's okay to say that one magazine said they got the nod to the V8 over the diesel (still waiting for the source...not the 0-60 time...I get that) but when someother magazine states an 80 series gets the nod for a better wheeler it's a load of crap and no good???
We all need to look at things a little more objectively rather than jumping straight out the gates especially on things we don't know about. There are VERY few on this board that have or will be able to drive both. I would LOVE to hear their opinion/facts on the matter.
na, I'll take the 3.6 twin turbo.
luv it! :d
Oh...oh....geeeeeeze....the 4.5TD will blow the 5.7.....oh god....crap.....man, the TD will pound the 5.7 all over the place...wow, holy moly.....
WAIT! This just in:
The 4.5 TDV8 200-series does 0-62 in 10.5 seconds (0-100km/h)
Toyota 200 Series LandCruiser - drive.com.au
I can't wait for Waggoner5 to pass me up in my 5.7L model. Of course that'll be when I run out of gas!
7.0 sec...5.7L
10.5 sec...TD
Oh my god guys! Admit it! Those numbers aren't close and therefore they show the vast power differences. That TD couldn't catch that 5.7 if it tried! Once they've hit 62MPH and they're cranking, the 5.7L's HP will keep it pulling away. Good god folks!
WAIT! This just in:
The 4.5 TDV8 200-series does 0-62 in 10.5 seconds (0-100km/h)
Toyota 200 Series LandCruiser - drive.com.au
I can't wait for Waggoner5 to pass me up in my 5.7L model. Of course that'll be when I run out of gas!
7.0 sec...5.7L
10.5 sec...TD
Oh my god guys! Admit it! Those numbers aren't close and therefore they show the vast power differences. That TD couldn't catch that 5.7 if it tried! Once they've hit 62MPH and they're cranking, the 5.7L's HP will keep it pulling away. Good god folks!
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