What's better offroad, 80 series, or 100 series?

[IronYuppy]

You know, I'm one of the most die hard toyota fans out there, worked for the company, and can really appreciate the quality difference over most other companies.

Yes, I do believe the Jeep is nowhere near the Toyota in quality and on road drivability, HOWEVER, some (4wheeler mag) independant testers (more than one) in certain off-road circumstances ( ie. when you MUST have a locker) the jeep will outperform the FJ.

As a whole, I believe the FJ is better, but I don't know if I really subscribe to the opinion that it is "hands down" a better wheeler. Harsh words when you're offroad to next one that's taking you down.

FWIW if you want to talk compare rear visibility, I can't imagine the FJC being worse than the new Wrangler. I haven't driven an FJC but I had a Wrangler unlimited as a rental this summer and the visibility absolutely sucked worse than anything I've ever been in. Even forwards was not spectacular, due to thick A-pillars and a low roofline.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

FWIW if you want to talk compare rear visibility, I can't imagine the FJC being worse than the new Wrangler. I haven't driven an FJC but I had a Wrangler unlimited as a rental this summer and the visibility absolutely sucked worse than anything I've ever been in. Even forwards was not spectacular, due to thick A-pillars and a low roofline.

Could be, however everything comes off on the Wrangler. Roof, doors, etc.

 

[cruiserloco]

Ten years from now the majority of the 2007 FJC will be running and wheeling strong, the 07's jeeps who knows?.

Toyota's reliabilities and capabilities are legendaries world wide thats why forums like this exist. GO CRUISERS !!!

I'm leaving to Moab tomorrow I'll tuck to you gays in 2 weeks.

 

[landtank]

My posts weren't aimed at starting a Toyota Jeep thing. But Nay quite often points to these Rubicons as the ultimate truck to drool after. I finally had a chance to see one in action compared to a FJ and wasn't at all impressed.

Maybe after a bunch of mods things change but that goes for just about any vehicle.

 

[tntoyota]

Ten years from now the majority of the 2007 FJC will be running and wheeling strong, the 07's jeeps who knows?.

SOooooo, new jeeps AUTOMATICLY carry the "p.o.s" designation BECAUSE of there past....i.e the new ones cant get any better.


yeah billion $ companies NEVER learn fro there (50+ of years experience...) mistakes....how they stay in business?

Toyota's reliabilities and capabilities are legendaries world wide thats why forums like this exist. GO CRUISERS !!!

yeah go no believing that, I've seen them go back to the dealer I've seen the SEA of breakage in 90's, 100's, and FJC tech keep putting Toyota on a pedestal.....they can NEVER make a krappy vehicle, they go a rep!



LAWYERS are keeping the Toyota name unblemished, they (Toyota) contribute a lot of our economy, If they're "black eye" was exposed what do you think would happen?

 

[FirstToy]

My posts weren't aimed at starting a Toyota Jeep thing. But Nay quite often points to these Rubicons as the ultimate truck to drool after. I finally had a chance to see one in action compared to a FJ and wasn't at all impressed.

Maybe after a bunch of mods things change but that goes for just about any vehicle.

I do feel the same somewhat after wheeling with them. The issue I think is the short wheelbase combined w/ some factors that make them scary on steep climbs and descents. Flopping becomes a very real situation much more than in a wagon. Also, they seem to have more difficulty in more situations that the Cruiser... But that's for me, personally, why I don't like it. It's more manuverable, so tight trails, it'll be the better of the wagons.

However, I got excited by the 4-door Rubicon w/ a long wb (cure that stability issue) while adding cargo space and retaining the great clearance angles & narrow body.
When you look at the axles, it's no Land Cruiser that's for sure. But for a new vehicle, it might be pretty cool... esp if they offer a diesel version.

 

[landtank]

I do feel the same somewhat after wheeling with them. The issue I think is the short wheelbase combined w/ some factors that make them scary on steep climbs and descents. Flopping becomes a very real situation much more than in a wagon. Also, they seem to have more difficulty in more situations that the Cruiser... But that's for me, personally, why I don't like it. It's more manuverable, so tight trails, it'll be the better of the wagons.

However, I got excited by the 4-door Rubicon w/ a long wb (cure that stability issue) while adding cargo space and retaining the great clearance angles & narrow body.
When you look at the axles, it's no Land Cruiser that's for sure. But for a new vehicle, it might be pretty cool... esp if they offer a diesel version.

I'll say one thing about their wheel base, at times it almost seemed to be perfectly matched to the terrain in a bad way. Like there were 4 rocks placed perfectly in front of each wheel making it as difficult as possible. This happened quite a few times and really struck me as odd. Obviously the terrain is completely random but maybe it had something to do with the type and size of rock we have around here.

I did have a few guys comment on the size of my truck but that didn't really factor into any fit issues and between the 35" tires and 4" lift it went over the rocky stuff pretty easy.

 

[tntoyota]

However, I got excited by the 4-door Rubicon w/ a long wb (cure that stability issue) while adding cargo space and retaining the great clearance angles & narrow body.
When you look at the axles, it's no Land Cruiser that's for sure. But for a new vehicle, it might be pretty cool... esp if they offer a diesel version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyPWe-pe05g


not the one I wanted to show, it got took off utube it was a test drive with a RR defender 110, Merc G-Wagon and a yep you guessed it a 4 door Diesel jeep wrangler...oh, and it was in German


anyway cant find the utube it was here

Boycott Chrysler!


I want one!!!

the 4 door unlimited jeep with a factory Diesel is in production today

kinda makes you wonder, if a Diesel Land Cruiser is $100,000 just how 3rd world are the places you see in the videos?....just who is 3rd world??? us?