Trusted source for 80 series crate motor?

[1973Guppie]

We have done several head gasket jobs and the new valve seals seem to have cured the oil consumption problems on each one of them.

Agreed. Assuming the bottom end is ok, why not just rebuild the top end with a new headgasket? I did this when I installed my SC and now I don't lose any oil. I used to have consumption problems but no longer and the truck runs great. Bottom end cylinders had the stock hash markings in the cylinder still. If it has not been grossly overheated just refresh the top end.

And as far as purchasing rebuild engine parts on the internet etc I say no no. Find a good reputable local machine shop and get to know them. I have used kenyon machine here in san diego for years and they do amazing work. Not the cheapest but they always do it right.

 

[04 Rocko Taco]

Let's look at HOW and WHEN it burns oil.

When you first start it in the morning, does it smoke? White / Blue / Black? Puff or continuous?

Yes in the morning, continuously, right after start p, once it warms up, it stops. White, not very white/blue like oil smoke.

When you are rolling down the highway and back off the gas, do you get a cloud of smoke consistently behind you? White / Blue / Black?

No smoke when back off the gas on the highway.

When you stomp it to the floor from a stop sign, do you get a puff of smoke? A long cloud of smoke? White / Blue / Black?

Never noticed any smoke from a stop.

Does it leave a puddle on the ground when you park it and shut it off?

We do have some oil spots in the driveway, but nothing much, nor very 'puddle-y'

Does it leave a puddle on the ground while running and stopped?

NO puddle of oil while parked and running.

 

[ajax1]

Rebuild the head , look at the Pistons wall and rings, everyone I've opened have been good shape, prob just have head rebuilt and new valve seals call it good

 

[04 Rocko Taco]

Okay - focus is shifting in this thread, what head gasket kits do we trust?
Felpro?
Beck Arnley?
Evergreen?

I can't imagine that the Toyota gasket kit is budget friendly...

 

[scottryana]

I trust the Toyota gasket kit. I trust @beno to send it to me. Good luck with the other crap. lol.

 

[04 Rocko Taco]

Okay @beno Tell me what you got, and yes, I need to know how much.

 

[Red Merle]

The head gasket job won't be any where near as much as the full rebuild.

It depends on what you decide to replace as long as you are in there, but the valve grind kit from Toyota can be had for around $275 which includes the HG and the valve seals.

I also bought the OEM head bolts and a number of other PM items and had the head done as I mentioned.

 

[OGBeno]

Okay @beno Tell me what you got, and yes, I need to know how much.

Who are you and why do I have to respond to a call out? This isn't Facebook or Romper Room.

Pick up the phone and call me and let's have a discussion of your needs.

 

[Red Merle]

Do they still have Romper Room?

 

[samiam09]

Yes its down the street from the white house <I think congress hangs out there..............

 

[04 Rocko Taco]

Who are you and why do I have to respond to a call out? This isn't Facebook or Romper Room.

Pick up the phone and call me and let's have a discussion of your needs.

You don't have to respond to anything. I didn't realize you would be offended, nor did I intend to do so.
Was mostly poking self-deprecating fun at myself by asking how much, as I know (from earlier int his thread) how you feel about that.

All of that being said... still looking at options. Thanks for showing up.

 

[ewillis]

I'm not offended.

But I'm not some sort of a bitch.

 

[Qball]

To make it simple here are your options:

1. Crate motor from Toyota, doesn't excise and to piece one together would be close to 20k if I had to guess, just the long block goes for 5k from beno if I remember correctly. Just like Beno was saying, if you had to ask then you probably won't be interested in it after hearing the price. This is only for people who have truly deep pockets and don't care about cost at all.

2. Full rebuild with OEM parts with labor from a good shop will probabaly set you back 12-15k depends on who is doing it.

3. Head gasket job from a good shop will be around 2000-2500 with all OEM parts

4. Or pour some bars head gasket fix for 50 bucks

 

[Cass007]

Let's look at HOW and WHEN it burns oil.

When you first start it in the morning, does it smoke? White / Blue / Black? Puff or continuous?
YES - White, not clouds of smoke, but a light steady stream

When you are rolling down the highway and back off the gas, do you get a cloud of smoke consistently behind you? White / Blue / Black?
Not that I can see

When you stomp it to the floor from a stop sign, do you get a puff of smoke? A long cloud of smoke? White / Blue / Black?
No, but I honestly never stomp it to the floor.

Does it leave a puddle on the ground when you park it and shut it off?
Drips that form an eventual puddle, not really a puddle, but drips coming from multiple locations

Does it leave a puddle on the ground while running and stopped?

Hard to say while running, definitely several drips while stopped. Also has a large buildup of caked oil all over the front engine area and underside of the truck is coated in a light covering of oil as well. Redokulous amount of oil covering the lower cross member under the radiator area.

I was assuming blow-by past the rings, but could this just be valves? There is also obviously multiple seal issues.

Found It

• Cass007
• Sep 3, 2017

R19

• Cass007
• Sep 3, 2017

R12

• Cass007
• Sep 3, 2017

 

[half k cruiser]

All of that being said... still looking at options. Thanks for showing up.

I would look elsewhere then. With a bit of research you can find the part numbers you need and order online from Olathe Toyota who will ship them out to you. They give at least a 25% discount off MSRP on just about everything. I've even found my local dealer to be quite helpful if I go in with part numbers or look through the schematic with them. The downside to that is they may not be able to recite PNs off the top of their head, but, you don't have to deal with the ego either. There are trade offs.

I think last time I looked a head gasket was under a $100 for OEM and that's fairly cheap for the quality you are going to get. @Red Merle has a good point in getting the OEM valve grind kit. When I did my 94 I went that route plus a few extra seals for the bottom end.

 

[khm3rgtr]

So if you go to a car lot and ask the salesman "how much", that means your not interested ? I think if somebody told me that in person I would tell them to %$% themselves

jay leno said if you ask how much for the car that mean u can afford it

 

[retrofive]

jay leno said if you ask how much for the car that mean u can afford it

I don't buy that philosophy. If something doesn't have a price tag on it and I want I will ask for a number. Pretty simple, number provided and I will buy it or not.

 

[Chester]

This thread needs to be moved to the humor section.
No such thing as a crate motor, it's not a 350 GMgovt motor.
Closest thing is that shiny alloy porn in a box Beno has, that's some rare and precious metals, huh?

 

[Qball]

Hard to say while running, definitely several drips while stopped. Also has a large buildup of caked oil all over the front engine area and underside of the truck is coated in a light covering of oil as well. Redokulous amount of oil covering the lower cross member under the radiator area.

I was assuming blow-by past the rings, but could this just be valves? There is also obviously multiple seal issues.

Found It

• Cass007
• Sep 3, 2017

R19

• Cass007
• Sep 3, 2017

R12

• Cass007
• Sep 3, 2017

All that could be a simple fix, replace your dizzy O-ring....less than 5 bucks and 20 minutes if you are new at it.

 

[BILT4ME]

Yes in the morning, continuously, right after start p, once it warms up, it stops. White, not very white/blue like oil smoke.


No smoke when back off the gas on the highway.


Never noticed any smoke from a stop.


We do have some oil spots in the driveway, but nothing much, nor very 'puddle-y'


NO puddle of oil while parked and running.

Based on what you can actually SEE, I am leaning towards valve seals leaking. That's very typical from an overnight shut-off when the oil drains down valve-stems. The CAT's are cold and you can actually SEE the blue smoke coming out.
This should also mean you see blue smoke when you back off the gas on the highway. You may actually have some, but the catalytic converters are heated up by then and doing their job to reduce emissions.

Sometimes, the blue smoke appears white until you actually see white smoke to compare it to.
White smoke typically indicates coolant in the combustion chamber IE: Head Gasket.

Blue smoke under hard acceleration indicates rings. You don't seem to have this.

Since these engines are known to go 500K miles on the bottom end before rebuild, I would lean towards head rebuild only or, even to do the CHEAPEST route and to just replace the VC gasket and do the Valve Seals only with the head still on the truck. Yes, it's still a lot of work. Maybe if you're in that far it would be worthwhile to pull the head and have it rebuilt. This typically makes oil consumption disappear.