Touareg vs LC

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ShottsUZJ100 said:
Nice try, though nobody's gonna buy it in this forum. A T-reg has no chance over a 100 in off-road situations, unless you're referring to 2-rated forest roads and then the 100's a better ride.

I'm guessing you just made this post to stir things up. Sweet! That's forum fun. :)

Then combine the fact a T-Reg is pretty-much non-modifiable wheras a 100 is and it's a super no-contest.

So, I like your spunk. If you are serious then obviously you're not a avid 4-Wheeler and/or never seen a 100 rock. No contest friend :)

It's been out only two years give them a chance to get it right. There will be modifications comming down the pipeline I promise you that. I think a 100 is a totally capable vehicle but it is amazing to see so many people say the 100 will out perform a T-reg off road and have never even seen one.

One day this will be a reality.
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ShottsUZJ100 said:
You are serious! Amazing! :grinpimp:

You couldn't get a T-Reg even close to finishing the obstacle on my avatar. :)

With all due respect, I'd tone it down some (you're making a fool of yourself). :)

The T-reg is a 24/7 wheel-lifter. It's a nice package for the average SUV driver though in no way is it built to handle severe off-road situations.

Come on now. Take a big deep breath and re-think this.

Really, take a deep breath and be objective. :)

(Wish ya lived in Tucson :D )


We are talking stock. Right? Stock vehicle with same tires.
 
Trollhole said:
It's been out only two years give them a chance to get it right. There will be modifications comming down the pipeline I promise you that. I think a 100 is a totally capable vehicle but it is amazing to see so many people say the 100 will out perform a T-reg off road and have never even seen one.

One day this will be a reality.
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That's what you're talking about? The thing in that picture is a joke. You've got to be kidding, right? The thing in the picture is named "Roll Over Mama". No flex, wheels in the air 24/7 = lie on your side. ;p

Come on. Get serious!
 
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Trollhole said:
We are talking stock. Right? Stock vehicle with same tires.

Stock form? OK IH8MUD stock 100 owners: You wanna educate this dude? I'd take a stock Tacoma and make a fool out of a T-Reg wheeler. :) You're comparing to a 100? You need to be in the Ford Exploder Forum. :D

You're comparing a world-standard vehicle compared to a unreliable POC made for on-road duty. Come on. Compare your Reg to a Tahoe, and a Explodition, and such. :D
 
It's a photochop of a Heep. Come on did you read the caption at the top?


LOL this is fun getting you guys stirred up.

I'm still on you side.

I sold the T-reg to get a 40. And my wife a pacifica.

But I did them for a year and a half and I put it through a lot of bad situation. And it did just fine and I only had a/ts on it. :flipoff2:
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
What good is a solid front axle (or rear) when the travel is a measly 8-inches? What a waste.

Because of the way the opposing wheels can move side to side. Travel can always be increased be removing swaybars or getting longer shocks. The downsides of IFS cannot ever be totally erased (unless you go SFS conversion!).

Ooops, I sense another IFS vs. SFS argument...
 
Trollhole said:
It's a photochop of a Heep. Come on did you read the caption at the top?

***YOU SUCKER! YOU GOT ME! I thought some sicko SAS a T-Reg andthat makes no sense. The rest of the thing would fall apart.


LOL this is fun getting you guys stirred up.

I'm still on you side.

I sold the T-reg to get a 40. And my wife a pacifica.

But I did them for a year and a half and I put it through a lot of bad situation. And it did just fine and I only had a/ts on it. :flipoff2:

Ya, I knew you were working us. You dog! :mad:
 
dclee said:
Because of the way the opposing wheels can move side to side. Travel can always be increased be removing swaybars or getting longer shocks. The downsides of IFS cannot ever be totally erased (unless you go SFS conversion!).

Ooops, I sense another IFS vs. SFS argument...

Sure, though the comparison was stock form versions. That SFA and 0.5" added travel ain't gonna come close to what difference the 5-inches more rear travel of the 100 will make. The G will be a wheel-lifter first. :)

I'd take a T-Reg over the Benz. :D
(Kidding)
 
Hmmm...

Trollhole -> Toureg kills the 100 Series
Schotts -> 100 Series kills the 80

Anyone else see the similarity? :flipoff2:
 
dclee said:
Hmmm...

Trollhole -> Toureg kills the 100 Series...in a on-road race
Schotts -> 100 Series kills the 80...in 95% of the places you go and the things you do

Anyone else see the similarity? :flipoff2:

:) :)
 
Based on the STOCK vs STOCK comparison this is my thought:

I don't think IFS vs. SFS makes a whole crapload of difference when neither vehicle has an overabundance of ground clearance. Same goes for approach and departure angles. If you've only got 8" of clearance and a 70 degree approach vs. a 30 degree approach, it just means you can get closer to the rock before you decide if you go over it you're gonna get hung up on it. Got 20" of travel vs 5 " of travel and both have 8" of clearance? Still the same problem.

These are all nice vehicles that are above average performers offroad for the SUV market. I would say experience and willingness to add beauty marks would decide which one is more "capable."

I know the T-reg is new but I seriously doubt it will ever have the aftermarket for offroad products that the 100 will have. Hell, the 100's been out since '98 and it's market is just now starting to blossom. I do believe it will have a lot larger "tuner" market than the 100 will though. I think the T is a hot vehicle but hell I'd love a Pepperwagon Turbo too! :D
 
Trollhole said:
It's a photochop of a Heep. Come on did you read the caption at the top?

LOL this is fun getting you guys stirred up.

I'm still on you side.

Haha, Troll, I think your name gave it away from the beginning. Keep it up and you'll be Troll-the-A-hole. :flipoff2: :cheers:
 
Didn't the Toureg win the Paris -Dakar rally a few years back? I think a saw few LCs, but the car-like design of the Tourag was tough to beat. The vehicle was so highly modified that it didn't even look like a Tourag.
 
ShottsUZJ100 said:
The order you rated them means you have to sell your Jeep. :D
Hmm, ya think the 100 over the Taco. Interesting. Not sure I agree. :confused: I guess it depends on the trail?

Haven't seen the new XTerra. Sounds sweet.

I wheeled CK with a Power Wagon. Did fine though he passed on the hard lines. Thing looked HUGE.

Rubicon Unlimited. I LIKE THOSE A LOT!!!

4Runner = gas tank on the ground on the driver's side. Boooooo!

There was no order John, just a list of vehicles I would recommend to some interested in OHV/Expedition travel.

They all have benefits, which make them shine in different areas. If all you want if "capability" (OHV Performance) buy the unlimited, "Value" buy the Xterra, "utility" buy the Tacoma. The UZJ100 is probably the best overall performer of the bunch, but the luxury crap they put in them has kept me away. You have to pay for much more than you need (I know, I am crying for a 105 with vinyl flooring...sorry). I have no interest in heated and cooled seats and center console espresso makers... :eek: That stuff increases cost and decreases reliability and payload. And those comments are just my personal preference. I was upset that I couldnt get my Tacoma with a manual transmission and doors/windows.

I will buy another luxo machine for Stephanie soon, but it will be confined to Scottsdale Blvd...
 
dclee said:
Hmmm...


Schotts -> 100 Series kills the 80

:flipoff2:

Now that would be an interesting argument. More apples to apples.


LOL You guys are great. :D
 
Schotts, pull your tampon out. You need to maintain some consistency in your posts. We've argued about SFA vs. IFS before and all I ever hear was "who cares if I lift a tire 8 inches off the ground versus 4 inches for (insert make of truck here)." So, in those threads where you know the 100 series can't compete articulation wise, lifting a tire is no big deal. Now we get to this thread and you attack the VW because it will "probably" lift a wheel first. I thought lifting a wheel was no big deal??? Maybe you should look more at front vs. rear articulation balance. Anytime you have one end of a vehicle the flexes a lot more than another, you have the potential to get into very bad situations. True, the VW will lift a lot on obstacles, but its balance from front to rear and the traction control help it over a lot of obstacles that would stop others. I guess that because the Hummer H1 lifts tires so fast, the 100 series would smoke it offroad. C'mon, address this issue. Then to honestly think that a 100 series is better offroad stock vs. a G-Wagen. I am not trying to come across as a 100 hater, I just can't stand how in your eyes, it can do no wrong and it can outwheel this in that situation, and this other vehicle in that situation, etc. I like the 100 but it won't out wheel a G-Wagen. Speaking of your avatar, what about it is difficult? Not to mention all your videos on your website are of very mild situations. If the 100 is so great, if it is made to tackle "severe off road situations," then let's see some pics of it in real difficult situations. Don't give me this "go buy one for yourself and find out." I don't want one. Don't feed me crap about Amando's 100. You talk so much damn smack about your truck and I have seen nothing that backs it up.

For the others, I happened to be in Moab when VW had about 15 Touaregs on the trails. I followed them through Hell's Revenge because I was interested to see if they really did the trail or not. How many times do we see articles in mags where a manufacturer takes their vehicle on a trail but we aren't sure they really did it? I was impressed with what a stock Touareg could do (they all had the air suspension). They didn't avoid obstacles and take the easy way up. For example, to start the trail they didn't take baby lion's back to the back side of dump bump. They started out on the end of the fin where dump bump is located. There are two lines on the end of the fin and they took the harder line (physically closer to dump bump). After scraping a little bit of the bumper, the German driver lifted the air suspension, got a tire (stock street tire) and the rock, and pulled right up. I am not interested in the VW, I am simply stating what I witnessed. Granted, Hell's Revenge isn't the most difficult of trails, but they really took them from start to finish and didn't skip anything.
 
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DBS311 said:
Schotts, pull your tampon out. You need to maintain some consistency in your posts. We've argued about SFA vs. IFS before and all I ever hear was "who cares if I lift a tire 8 inches off the ground versus 4 inches for (insert make of truck here)." So, in those threads where you know the 100 series can't compete articulation wise, lifting a tire is no big deal. Now we get to this thread and you attack the VW because it will "probably" lift a wheel first. I thought lifting a wheel was no big deal??? Maybe you should look more at front vs. rear articulation balance. Anytime you have one end of a vehicle the flexes a lot more than another, you have the potential to get into very bad situations. True, the VW will lift a lot on obstacles, but its balance from front to rear and the traction control help it over a lot of obstacles that would stop others. I guess that because the Hummer H1 lifts tires so fast, the 100 series would smoke it offroad. C'mon, address this issue. Then to honestly think that a 100 series is better offroad stock vs. a G-Wagen. I am not trying to come across as a 100 hater, I just can't stand how in your eyes, it can do no wrong and it can outwheel this in that situation, and this other vehicle in that situation, etc. I like the 100 but it won't out wheel a G-Wagen. Speaking of your avatar, what about it is difficult? Not to mention all your videos on your website are of very mild situations. If the 100 is so great, if it is made to tackle "severe off road situations," then let's see some pics of it in real difficult situations. Don't give me this "go buy one for yourself and find out." I don't want one. Don't feed me crap about Amando's 100. You talk so much damn smack about your truck and I have seen nothing that backs it up.

For the others, I happened to be in Moab when VW had about 15 Touaregs on the trails. I followed them through Hell's Revenge because I was interested to see if they really did the trail or not. How many times do we see articles in mags where a manufacturer takes their vehicle on a trail but we aren't sure they really did it? I was impressed with what a stock Touareg could do (they all had the air suspension). They didn't avoid obstacles and take the easy way up. For example, to start the trail they didn't take baby lion's back to the back side of dump bump. They started out on the end of the fin where dump bump is located. There are two lines on the end of the fin and they took the harder line (physically closer to dump bump). After scraping a little bit of the bumper, the German driver lifted the air suspension, got a tire (stock street tire) and the rock, and pulled right up. I am not interested in the VW, I am simply stating what I witnessed. Granted, Hell's Revenge isn't the most difficult of trails, but they really took them from start to finish and didn't skip anything.

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You make me laugh. :)
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Now go wheel with Amando and shuddupppp. :D I don't need to show you anything. :D

Oh, can you find me a post (smack :) ) where I've said the 100 will out-wheel an 80....a 60....a 40? Won't find it buddy. Take a deep breath, run 95% of the trails in the US in a 100 and you'll trade it for nothing, For those who run the extreme Moab obstacles that are in that top 5% in the nation, a 100 can't compete against an 80 or a 60 or a 40.

*If the 100 goes to Moab tomorrow then I'll take those medium to hard lines where the body will fit.
*If I take the 80 then I'll do the real Dump Bump and everything else. :)

There's nothing to prove. This isn't a game or contest. Simply put (now turn off the selective reading....) the 100 does almost everything substantially better than any other Cruiser. For extreme off-roading though it simply can't hang in with the other Cruisers and that includes a SFA 105. It too is too wide and long.
OK, last question: So where's the "smack" in that?


Now, for smack: :D

1. Bring on a T-Reg. He wouldn't get his bumper anywhere near the 4-foot 40-degree ledge I climbed on the avatar photo. As I continued on I was riding my drivers slider. The T-reg also would have high-centered on it's rocker.
And who cares if they completed Hell's? Stock Taco's and Jeeps do it all the time. So what?
2. Bring on a G-Wagon too. BUT IF YOU REALLY READ WHAT I WROTE, you'd see that I never said stock to stock the 100 would eat it. You'd have to add lockers and THEN run them. Then I think it depends on the trail type.
*Needed large app and dept angles....winner G-Wagon
*Needed very high ground clearance for large obstacles....winner 100

So enjoy your 60. Someday you'll see Amando or somebody an a 100 do almost the same things 80's and 60's do. At that point, your forum responses will change. :D
 

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