Touareg vs LC

[ShottsUZJ100]

John,

You think a stock 2005 TLC would have better capability than a stock 2005 G-Class? In stock form, parked side by side it looks like a pretty fair fight.

***Oh, no way. The G off the floor has lockers and better app and dep angles.

I am not saying the G is better, but every indication (including the time I have spent on the trail with them) leads to them being very comparable if not equal in performance.

***I'd bet a stock 100 equipped like the G would fair better than a G. No lift, but size to 33" tires and add ARB lockers. You'd have the same front travel (well, the 100 is 7.5" or a half inch less), 5-inches more rear travel, larger tires, and more ground clearance. I can't imagine a G handling large obstacles like the 100 could.

I think most compelling is the fact that the G includes factory lockers, which allow much better driver control and "finesse" than traction control.

Plus, I am one of probably 5 people on the earth that think they look cool as hell

***I'm not sure what I think. When I see one on the road I laugh. People buy them to show off and I don't get it. I'm sure a Rover or Lexus is FAR more comfortable and IMO even more bling. I HIGHLY DOUBT that a G-owner would look at my 100 and think they have a nicer and more showy ride over mine.

And before everyone flames me, I am just talking capability, not reliability or durability

***Ha ha. Get used to it in this forum.

 

[dclee]

You think a stock 2005 TLC would have better capability than a stock 2005 G-Class? In stock form, parked side by side it looks like a pretty fair fight.

I'll go out on a limb and say that yes, the stock G-Wagon would beat a stock 100 Series off the pavement, though maybe not by much. It is a capable rig, with two solid axles, three diff-locks, insane approach and departure angles, etc. Tires are less than one inch smaller than 100 Series (30.5" vs. 31").

Hey, I'm not blinded by my Land Cruiser loyalty! I can admit that the G-Wagon is a better wheeler than my 100 Series!

 

[dclee]

I'd bet a stock 100 equipped like the G would fair better than a G. No lift, but size to 33" tires and add ARB lockers. You'd have the same front travel (well, the 100 is 7.5" or a half inch less), 5-inches more rear travel, larger tires, and more ground clearance. I can't imagine a G handling large obstacles like the 100 could.

Wait a minute, you said equipped like a G. How does putting bigger 33" tires on equalize the equipment levels? If anything, you should give the G bigger tires to match the LC.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I'll go out on a limb and say that yes, the stock G-Wagon would beat a stock 100 Series off the pavement, though maybe not by much. It is a capable rig, with two solid axles, three diff-locks, insane approach and departure angles, etc. Tires are less than one inch smaller than 100 Series (30.5" vs. 31").

Hey, I'm not blinded by my Land Cruiser loyalty! I can admit that the G-Wagon is a better wheeler than my 100 Series!

What good is a solid front axle (or rear) when the travel is a measly 8-inches? What a waste.

 

[expeditionswest]

The travel is limited by the heavy swaybars. Pull those off and they flex well (though not as much as the 100 rear). More importantly though is that the flex is well balanced front and rear.

JOHN! You are going to force me to buy one of those things ;p

Regarding Apperance:

I think their appeal is due to the uniqueness of them. I dont think anyone would say that a Defender 110 is a stylish design, but people love them because they are unique and have a "cachet" about them. The same is true of the G-Class.

The FJ40 was really the last of the truely unique, classic and appealing Toyota 4wd designs. BUT, that is not why we buy them. We want capability and reliability. The Land Rovers may win the "looks" but what good are they stuck in the dealers service bays...

Now, a fully outfitted 100 looks sweet, but it is not the original lines of the car that makes it appealing. It's the big bumpers, tires, snorkel, etc. that turns heads.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Wait a minute, you said equipped like a G. How does putting bigger 33" tires on equalize the equipment levels? If anything, you should give the G bigger tires to match the LC.

Well, I meant mainly the lockers, though 33's fit on a 100 without lift. I've heard the G tire size is maxed out unless you lift? Yes?

All I'm saying is have both stock rigs locked, keep them unlifted, tire the tires to the max size and the G has had it IMO. No travel, smaller tires, less ground clearance.

 

[expeditionswest]

Well, I meant mainly the lockers, though 33's fit on a 100 without lift. I've heard the G tire size is maxed out unless you lift? Yes?

All I'm saying is have both stock rigs locked, keep them unlifted, tire the tires to the max size and the G has had it IMO. No travel, smaller tires, less ground clearance.

Then is becomes a modification competition. Use the $2k required to fit the 100 with lockers to put big tires and sliders on the G and the tables are turned again.

IMO, you have to leave mods out of the equation when talking about vehicle capability. With enough money, Kia's have won the Paris-Dakar (they have).

We are trying to compare two of the finest 4wd's available today. They are both the last of the best from their manufacturers. It just comes down to personal pref. at the end of the day...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Then is becomes a modification competition. Use the $2k required to fit the 100 with lockers to put big tires and sliders on the G and the tables are turned again.

IMO, you have to leave mods out of the equation when talking about vehicle capability. With enough money, Kia's have won the Paris-Dakar (they have).

We are trying to compare two of the finest 4wd's available today. They are both the last of the best from their manufacturers. It just comes down to personal pref. at the end of the day...

Stock winner? Rubicon

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Stock winner? Rubicon

No bite back Scott? You know me too well.

Kidding everybody. My #1 choice for a stock 4-wheeler is the Taco.

 

[expeditionswest]

I think the new Xterra is pretty sweet too... Rear locker, 4wheel traction control, downhill assist, 32" tires, etc.

Here is my top 5 pick (no order):
UZJ100
Rubicon Unlimited
Tacoma TRD
G-Class
05 Xterra

The new Power Wagon is nice too, and I do like the 4runner, but its looks dont appeal to me

Ok, enough from me...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I think the new Xterra is pretty sweet too... Rear locker, 4wheel traction control, downhill assist, 32" tires, etc.

Here is my top 5 pick (no order):
UZJ100
Rubicon Unlimited
Tacoma TRD
G-Class
05 Xterra

The new Power Wagon is nice too, and I do like the 4runner, but its looks dont appeal to me

Ok, enough from me...

The order you rated them means you have to sell your Jeep.
Hmm, ya think the 100 over the Taco. Interesting. Not sure I agree. I guess it depends on the trail?

Haven't seen the new XTerra. Sounds sweet.

I wheeled CK with a Power Wagon. Did fine though he passed on the hard lines. Thing looked HUGE.

Rubicon Unlimited. I LIKE THOSE A LOT!!!

4Runner = gas tank on the ground on the driver's side. Boooooo!

 

[Trollhole]

i have driven one and can agree that it probably has good torque - it was slow as hell for a v8. as far as the off-road capabilities, can't vouch first hand, but overall i was not really impressed.

I hate to say it in my opnion you are wrong. I've owned one for a year and a half. 7.6 0-60 for a SUV that weighs 5500lbs is very good.

I'm just getting started after seeing these post . This may take a while. Be prepared.

 

[Trollhole]

thoughts? are you smokin something?

the turdreg vs a land cruiser? c'mon man! get a grip!

Hate to say it but a T-Reg with air suspension will out perform the 100 on any surface.

Comming from a real T-reg owner.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Hate to say it but a T-Reg with air suspension will out perform the 100 on any surface.

Comming from a real T-reg owner.

Nice try, though nobody's gonna buy it in this forum. A T-reg has no chance over a 100 in off-road situations, unless you're referring to 2-rated forest roads and then the 100's a better ride.

I'm guessing you just made this post to stir things up. Sweet! That's forum fun.

Then combine the fact a T-Reg is pretty-much non-modifiable wheras a 100 is and it's a super no-contest.

So, I like your spunk. If you are serious then obviously you're not a avid 4-Wheeler and/or never seen a 100 rock. No contest friend

 

[Trollhole]

Plus it has 3 locking differentials. But on the downside, the double-wishbone suspension makes for not so good articulation and the unibody construntion isn't the best for off-road use.

Two words for you. Air suspension. Find out how it really works on a T-reg and get back to me.

 

[Trollhole]

Plus it has 3 locking differentials. But on the downside, the double-wishbone suspension makes for not so good articulation and the unibody construntion isn't the best for off-road use.

And how many come starndard on a 100?

 

[Trollhole]

My Uncle has a Turd-egg (sorry, that is the nickname) and loves it for getting groceries and such. When I suggested we go wheel it, he took my beer away from me.

They live on a dirt road and it snows where he lives. Works real well for that stuff.

Put the same type tire that comes standard on a 100 on a T-reg and it will walk the dog on a 100.

MAn this is going to take a while. Sorry I saw this so late.

 

[Trollhole]

I remembered there was some usefull info about this on Club Lex so here it is from a gentleman who has owned 2LX's and a V-10TD Touareg:

Quote from Doc C on ClubLex
I then traded my 2000 LX for a 2004 Touareg V10 twin turbo diesel. The powertrain of that Touareg SMOKES the LX hands down. I had it for 5 months and sold it and ordered a 2005 LX. There are things like build quality and dealership experience and capability and resale value that far outweigh HP IMO. So, for those people who see things the opposite way and HP is everything, they should probably look elsewhere. The LX is underpowered, no question, but it exceeds the competition in so many other areas that HP really doesn't seem to be an issue. I have a sports car for racing. I don't need to race anyone in my SUV. Take care and happy new year.

The powertrain was incredible. The clubtouareg site has forums dedicated to "Problems/bugs" and "TSBs" that are FULL of nightmare stories of reliability. It has a great interior, but the radio controls are counterintuitive, the NAV system is worse than you can imagine. It is based on 5 CDROMs that have WAY less info than the 1 DVD based system of our LX. KEyless entry range was 3 feet. I'm not kidding. The back seat was the most uncomfortable seat I've ever seen. Anyway, I got out of it ASAP. VW has addressed a lot of the problems with later serial numbers, but why would they release a $62-65K vehicle with known issues and make the owner go in for service time after time? Oh, by the way, the dealership experience was like watching 3 monkeys hump a football. VW is not ready to sell cars in this price point. That's why the Phaeton sales are in the toilet as well.

The power of the VW was amazing. It is very quick and makes passing an easy task. It was very capable off road, but not even close to the luxury and build quality of the LX. Take care.

Very true statement. Luxury I would disagree with.

 

[Trollhole]

When we were looking for a car for my wife, we SERIOUSLY looked at the 2reg. I had concerns about the reliability of the VW (after all, it IS German, which, in my observation almost always translates into unreliable AND expensive), but I thought the VW might be worth considering, nonetheless. Well, we looked at one of the first ones that came into our local VW dealership, and it was really cool. However, when I asked to look at the engine, the hood release malfunctioned and wouldn't let the hood open. I thought, no problem, let's keep looking at it....went to the rear to open the rear hatch.....no go. Wouldn't open. That's when it hit me: if two GERMAN non-automatic mechanical devices won't work on this brand new GERMAN truck, you can bet that other more sophisticated GERMAN systems on this truck are likely to be a nightmare...........so we went down the road and bought her a Lexus GX - talk about dodging a bullet!!!

Since that time, two of our friends have owned (past tense) 2regs and had NOTHING but trouble. One of those people had so many problems, he even had to resort to our State's lemon law to get the dealership to "take it back."..................it's a shame, too, because the 2regs look great and seem to have some pretty nice features (The Cayenne, to me, looks like crap.)

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention the trouble I had in my mind in getting over the idea of paying +/-$50,000 for a VOLKSWAGEN!

Man, am I glad we got the GX. MUCH nicer overall than the VW, and it cranks and runs perfectly EVERY day......all of you would agree that, when it's the wife's ride, that may be the most important feature of all (Matter of fact, I liked it so much, I bought myself an LX)

Totally agreed I owned two. Guess why.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

You are serious! Amazing!

You couldn't get a T-Reg even close to finishing the obstacle on my avatar.

With all due respect, I'd tone it down some (you're making a fool of yourself).

The T-reg is a 24/7 wheel-lifter. It's a nice package for the average SUV driver though in no way is it built to handle severe off-road situations.

Come on now. Take a big deep breath and re-think this.

Really, take a deep breath and be objective.

(Wish ya lived in Tucson )