It was an answer to a question about payload and how it is determined. I'm not sure it is a USA gov issue, it wasn't clear what government. Could be European or ?? It was in an interview with Kurt Williams. I'll see if I can find it.
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I think your use case is highly unusual and that the majority of SUV buyers in the US rarely, if ever, take their vehicle off-road.
Finally, some wisdom in this thread.
Could very well be. Maybe it is a regional thing because off roading is a major sport here in the PHX area, AZ and maybe in the West in general. It seems every pickup truck, or SUV is set up with lifts and tires and accessories here. May be just for show. But there are tons of trails and they seem to get used.
There simply aren't tons of trails in most of the rest of the country.
Just depends on how much public land is near you. There are quite a few places around here to try to get stuck if you drive a couple hours out of town. I generally go driving around in wildlife management areas, state parks, and national forests/rivers/recreation areas. I find more forest service roads than anything. But because they are completely unmaintained, they can have deep puddles, mud holes, or washouts and all sorts of off-camber situations. Fun times, and in many of these places a dispersed camping permit is very cheap. High clearance, 4x4, and picking good lines will get you to a place to set up camp most others can’t reach.
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There are orders of magnitude more miles of dirt than pave in the county that I live in, which is larger than many entire states and countries. Such is the case throughout the interior west and northern Mexico, where most of the best places are accessible only by dirt. Dirt roads, not necessarily “wheeling,” can wreak havoc on vehicles, especially those carrying loads. Land Cruisers’ robustness is, or was, uniquely capable and durable to this sort of use over time. I do not understand why one would own a Land Cruiser for exclusive use on pavement, or even for a vast majority of use on pavement. There are much better vehicles for that.
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I have had to do a lot of work to find the B roads near me. Not a lot and of those, 95% are disappointingly boring.
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And therein, only in Katanga province.
i came across the Australian LC250's and it reminded me of this thread:
Base Model GX: 5368lbs, 6835 GVWR, 1467lbs payload
Top of the Line Kakadu: 5588lbs, 7055 GVWR, 1467lbs payload...GVWR increase is definitely arbitrary here; keeping the payload exactly at 1467lbs.
The off-road version with SDM, 33's, lockers..etc is @ 5423lbs but with a 6835 GVWR; hence a payload of 1412lbs.
all models tow 7716lbs. But that's because the stricter towing rules in Australia rather than any added capability of the chassis.
Base Model GX: 5368lbs, 6835 GVWR, 1467lbs payload
Top of the Line Kakadu: 5588lbs, 7055 GVWR, 1467lbs payload...GVWR increase is definitely arbitrary here; keeping the payload exactly at 1467lbs.
The off-road version with SDM, 33's, lockers..etc is @ 5423lbs but with a 6835 GVWR; hence a payload of 1412lbs.
all models tow 7716lbs. But that's because the stricter towing rules in Australia rather than any added capability of the chassis.
Yeah, it's very highly regulated there. No wishes for that here. I wonder if the 250s will get GVWR upgrades with heavier springs, too.
(PS: it's not because the Aus gov't certifies it that I'm ok being a bit overweight here; it's because people's trucks that have the upgraded GVM/GCM ratings from simply installing heavier springs aren't failing left and right.
)I am a bit surprised the upgrades don't require bigger brakes. First thing I did to my 570 was install Tundra brakes up front.
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Their braking standards are probably outdated like ours so even compromised, standards are still met.Yeah, it's very highly regulated there. No wishes for that here. I wonder if the 250s will get GVWR upgrades with heavier springs, too.
(PS: it's not because the Aus gov't certifies it that I'm ok being a bit overweight here; it's because people's trucks that have the upgraded GVM/GCM ratings from simply installing heavier springs aren't failing left and right.
I am a bit surprised the upgrades don't require bigger brakes. First thing I did to my 570 was install Tundra brakes up front.
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Typically detailed and useful technical review. Notable I think are regenerative braking, injector location, two engine cooling systems, good overall running gear build quality.
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Yup. Although I was left a bit confused on the weight limitations in the trunk / cargo area.
Agreed with his sentiment that the 1958 trim is the way to go on one of these.
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I took that as a warning on the cubby lip not the rear as a whole. But further research is warranted.
I believe that to be the case. It was just his comments questioning putting drawers and/or a fridge back there like it wouldn't be possible just because of the weight limitation on the cubby top board / cover.
